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My First Experience With MDPV, And Beyond! Thoughts, mistakes, things that worked for me, and more! Initially intended to post on the MDPV Mega-thread, but I think it would be better off here as it is more Trip Report than General discussion/questions/info.
Hey guys, first time posting here, but I've used BL for information/reports/news (as well as other websites) for a long time. Please notify me if I make any mistakes/break any rules/etc so I can correct myself. Any criticism is appreciated and taken into consideration so long as it is constructive and not just being rude.
I'll also be checking up on this post to answer any questions to the best of my ability, so feel free to ask away!
Note from me, the author!
This was all written and edited under the effects of MDPV. While most things I post that end up this long end up being a bunch of bullshit riddled with contradictions, I spent a decent amount of time doing my best to keep my thoughts and ideas from getting jumbled and what-not. If you are able to keep up with it, I'd appreciate knowing because I most likely will not read this sober for a few days.
Also, I wrote this on a laptop so occasionally I would accidentally delete whole sentences, or cut out parts due to the mouse pad, if you notice anything that seems to be missing words/sentence(s)/or related errors let me know so I can edit them.
Ok, let's start with the basics!
Any relevant Mental and Physical info about myself:
I have always been irresponsible about my physical health, but my metabolism is pretty good so don't let the weight fool you, I appear in shape, but I actually desperately need to start jogging and going to the gym on occasion, I get exhausted much faster than people who are somewhat out of shape but stay active.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Weight at beginning of report:120
Weight today: 115
Weight after first 3 days of use: 105
Body type: Short, skinny/unathletic
Mental health: ADHD, Bipolar, chronic depression, severe social anxiety
Medications: Klonopin. I'm prescribed to several other medications but no matter how many times I tell my psychiatrist they aren't working for me and I don't like how they effect me he refuses to change it. I was on them for half my teenage experience until I decided I would rather be depressed and lethargic most of the time rather than feel baseline 24/7.
During this experience I have taken my seroquel for the first time in ages, but irregularly.
Dosage, ROA, etc.
ROA's: Oral, smoked, nasal administrations. I smoke some occasionally, like when I'm going out in public or the anxiety of snorting it was getting on my nerves, also since it is not free base MDPV it had a shorter duration, weaker but still enjoyable effects. The only good thing about smoking the non-based form is the very smooth and short come down.
Orally I tried once but I have no details on because I snorted some as well. Should I do some orally before I run out I will update this post with any thoughts and the general experience of it.
Dose (in order of most common amounts): 5mg, 2.5mg, 1-2mg (< Those are all I did during the 2nd and 3rd weeks), 10mg, 15mg, 20mg. (Rough estimates, I do not advise eyeballing doses you are very likely to harm yourself or others. That being said, I allow myself to do this only because (Once I realized how stupid I was being) I took precautions (Bumps of obviously less than 2mg) until I could use a very accurate (No margin of error when used properly) and powerful scale that a friend who is more scientifically inclined than I am had. I also do not advise this, just what I did personally.
But my dosage ended up usually being about 8mg (Nasally) or so. I try and start with a 5mg dose, and if I don't feel like I'm where I want to be in ten minutes I do half of that, repeat until I'm where I want to be. !Including the halving process, in my experience doubling your dose with anything is a really bad idea, as you may be just a little ways off and find yourself in the regrettable situation of doing an uncomfortable amount, or potentially harming yourself.!
Keep in mind though this is a three week long report and I will not be including any other (unless it is extremely relevant) ROA info/Amount ingested/time of use/etc because like I stuck to the mentioned dosage/ROA and the times I strayed I didn't think to record/try and remember the information. And if anyone expected the times of dosing on a 3 week report they're just silly.
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I'm on my 21st day of almost daily MDPV use. I've had a few days where I was far too busy and a couple days during the first week that I had to recover from using irresponsibly. I think the only real problem with this drug is what happened to me initially, which pretty much went like this:
Got 5g in the mail on 4/20, eyeballed my doses all day. Kept this going for the next two days without eating/sleeping and drinking only when my mouth felt like it was glued shut because it was so dry. Later on during the third day Amph psychosis set in pretty hard, hearing voices, seeing shadows/movement/etc, paranoid (verrry) thoughts and the usual symptoms. One thing that I didn't expect though, was noises that didn't actually scare me at all mentally had me jumping out of my chair for some reason. This left me baffled, and I hadn't heard of anything like it before.
Luckily (depending on how you want to look at it) I had experienced amph psychosis before due to ODing on what I thought was MDMA but now assume was Meth or something similar. (I took 2 caps of it one night, didn't sleep and then went to the club and took 3 caps of it there, experienced the light psychosis later on in the day.)
I'm rambling, sorry.
Anyhow, when I realized I was experiencing mild amph psychosis I got a couple xanax, drank some water, and when I woke up ate as much as I could force into my reluctant stomach. Kept clear of it for a day and a half and decided to take a bump with a friend. That was OK at first, I spent about 2 hours translating French into English for no real reason at all other than nothing to do, and then a couple hours reading until I started to experience intense anxiety, a very unsettling feeling of physical exhaustion, despite how much my mind and body still wanted to move around. Any time I had to get up and walk even ten feet I started to feel light headed and confused. That night I took a seroquel to get to sleep and half a xanax. Woke up and ate a healthy amount with no problems, drank water all day and took some multi-vitamins to help recover. Another day clean after that, and then I began using again at very, very small doses, around 3-7mg max. Most people would consider this a bad idea but I have been eating, drinking, and sleeping a healthy amount every day and have not experienced any bad effects other than some slight chest pain sometimes in the morning (rare, and it goes away quickly) and anxiety effects when I come down. Most, if not all, people will already know that xanax or other benzos are pretty good for alleviating the comedown, but I haven't read anything about seroquel use with it so here's my thoughts on MDPV + Seroquel based on a half dozen or so tries:
The main thing to remember is that you shouldn't take the seroquel right when you begin coming down/feeling bad, I have done this twice and did not feel safe at all. Strong nausea, lightheaded/dizziness unless you are laying flat on your back and haven't eaten anything. If you've used seroquel before you will know not eating is almost impossible and unless you are a super clean eater or don't mind waking up covered in crumbs you will not be able to lie down. I haven't read anyone else mention it before but I also have to piss every 5 minutes when I'm coming down on the peeve so this was particularly troublesome as I can not go to sleep if I even have to pee a little bit. My mind won't let it happen. Others may not find this bothersome or experience at all though.
My non-professional opinion on the best time to take seroquel after MDPV is about 2 hours after the "good" effects have worn off. (The seroquel will take about 30 min - 1 hr to kick in, and will overwhelm the [likely] still noticeable stimulation and anxiety with a heavy sedation.)
I love seroquel for MDPV though, it's better than anything else I have tried. If I take it like I've outlined above I wake up feeling completely refreshed, as if I hadn't done anything at all the night before. Benzos, weed, and everything else I've tried have definitely helped me get to sleep but I wake up feeling like shit and more often than not still have to put a lot of effort into drifting to sleep.
Sorry for the uber-long post, but I figured I'd give my thoughts and I definitely have a lot of them. As with all stimulants (and most substances) if you find yourself rambling like this it would be best to ramble on forums/anonymous websites/etc. I've made the mistake of rambling away at friends or acquaintances via social networking websites, and although no one really acted put out, or complained in any way, I always end up obsessing over minor things I said or just feeling like it was a bad idea later on.
I imagine, if I'm lucky, 3 people tops will read this whole thing, so...
TL;DR (I'm a liar, this part is long, too, sorry)
Sleep is really important to your mental health, and you will definitely not realize how much you are fucking up if you don't get it. Food and water are also important, if you plan on using this for more than half a day at least eat some toast, I found that was the easiest initially. Work your way up from there at a slow but steady pace. You won't realize you're thirsty and when you do nine times out of ten you forget it before you go and get a drink. Don't let this happen. Water is great, but personally I find gator-ade or something similar helps the most. I don't normally drink soda (caffeine makes me sleepy most of the time.) but I've found if I drink it before water I retain the moisture for a longer amount of time. May just be me though.
Amphetamine psychosis is a giant plea for help from your brain, and is very scary even if it is mild. Research the signs and symptoms so you can have a better chance at avoiding it.
Vitamins are the shit, and will help immensely if you feel like you've messed up and need to recover. To be safe, you should probably be taking them anyway.
Benzos and weed are good for dealing with the comedown, but seroquel will knock that shit out of the park with no worries if used properly. I do not use seroquel (or anything else) every night, more often than not I just wait until it wears off completely on its own and I feel genuinely exhausted. Definitely recommended but keeping a sleep schedule like this has proved impossible for me and some nights I do more than others and don't want to endure a full 12-hour come down.
IMPORTANT: I am in no way, shape, or form an expert on this drug (or anything else mentioned), any advice you take from this or actions you make based on my experience/advice are your choices alone. I take no responsibility and I do not advise anyone to binge on MDPV, or do anything that I have mentioned above. This is just what worked for me and what didn't work for me.
Have fun and more importantly be safe! Learn from my mistakes and the countless others reported.
On a final note (hopefully, amirite?) I would like to say that after the initial weeks mistakes I have had a great time and very much enjoy using this substance. I guess we're a rare breed based on the other mega-threads, and things I've read in other RC discussions. Most people (Yes, you are probably in this group, reader) seem to dislike it either right off the bat, or after the first one or two bumps.
I do not plan on buying another bag for a long time after I finish this one, if I do at all despite (or perhaps because of) enjoying it. I'm down to about 1g now (Sharing, giving, wasting accounts for most of that, 4g in 3 weeks sounds like pure hell) and I figure that will be gone before not too long from now.
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Sorry for the essay guys, three weeks is hard to report in a typical length.
Hey guys, first time posting here, but I've used BL for information/reports/news (as well as other websites) for a long time. Please notify me if I make any mistakes/break any rules/etc so I can correct myself. Any criticism is appreciated and taken into consideration so long as it is constructive and not just being rude.
I'll also be checking up on this post to answer any questions to the best of my ability, so feel free to ask away!
Note from me, the author!
This was all written and edited under the effects of MDPV. While most things I post that end up this long end up being a bunch of bullshit riddled with contradictions, I spent a decent amount of time doing my best to keep my thoughts and ideas from getting jumbled and what-not. If you are able to keep up with it, I'd appreciate knowing because I most likely will not read this sober for a few days.
Also, I wrote this on a laptop so occasionally I would accidentally delete whole sentences, or cut out parts due to the mouse pad, if you notice anything that seems to be missing words/sentence(s)/or related errors let me know so I can edit them.
Ok, let's start with the basics!
Any relevant Mental and Physical info about myself:
I have always been irresponsible about my physical health, but my metabolism is pretty good so don't let the weight fool you, I appear in shape, but I actually desperately need to start jogging and going to the gym on occasion, I get exhausted much faster than people who are somewhat out of shape but stay active.
Weight at beginning of report:120
Weight today: 115
Weight after first 3 days of use: 105
Body type: Short, skinny/unathletic
Mental health: ADHD, Bipolar, chronic depression, severe social anxiety
Medications: Klonopin. I'm prescribed to several other medications but no matter how many times I tell my psychiatrist they aren't working for me and I don't like how they effect me he refuses to change it. I was on them for half my teenage experience until I decided I would rather be depressed and lethargic most of the time rather than feel baseline 24/7.
During this experience I have taken my seroquel for the first time in ages, but irregularly.
Dosage, ROA, etc.
ROA's: Oral, smoked, nasal administrations. I smoke some occasionally, like when I'm going out in public or the anxiety of snorting it was getting on my nerves, also since it is not free base MDPV it had a shorter duration, weaker but still enjoyable effects. The only good thing about smoking the non-based form is the very smooth and short come down.
Orally I tried once but I have no details on because I snorted some as well. Should I do some orally before I run out I will update this post with any thoughts and the general experience of it.
Dose (in order of most common amounts): 5mg, 2.5mg, 1-2mg (< Those are all I did during the 2nd and 3rd weeks), 10mg, 15mg, 20mg. (Rough estimates, I do not advise eyeballing doses you are very likely to harm yourself or others. That being said, I allow myself to do this only because (Once I realized how stupid I was being) I took precautions (Bumps of obviously less than 2mg) until I could use a very accurate (No margin of error when used properly) and powerful scale that a friend who is more scientifically inclined than I am had. I also do not advise this, just what I did personally.
But my dosage ended up usually being about 8mg (Nasally) or so. I try and start with a 5mg dose, and if I don't feel like I'm where I want to be in ten minutes I do half of that, repeat until I'm where I want to be. !Including the halving process, in my experience doubling your dose with anything is a really bad idea, as you may be just a little ways off and find yourself in the regrettable situation of doing an uncomfortable amount, or potentially harming yourself.!
Keep in mind though this is a three week long report and I will not be including any other (unless it is extremely relevant) ROA info/Amount ingested/time of use/etc because like I stuck to the mentioned dosage/ROA and the times I strayed I didn't think to record/try and remember the information. And if anyone expected the times of dosing on a 3 week report they're just silly.
________________
I'm on my 21st day of almost daily MDPV use. I've had a few days where I was far too busy and a couple days during the first week that I had to recover from using irresponsibly. I think the only real problem with this drug is what happened to me initially, which pretty much went like this:
Got 5g in the mail on 4/20, eyeballed my doses all day. Kept this going for the next two days without eating/sleeping and drinking only when my mouth felt like it was glued shut because it was so dry. Later on during the third day Amph psychosis set in pretty hard, hearing voices, seeing shadows/movement/etc, paranoid (verrry) thoughts and the usual symptoms. One thing that I didn't expect though, was noises that didn't actually scare me at all mentally had me jumping out of my chair for some reason. This left me baffled, and I hadn't heard of anything like it before.
Luckily (depending on how you want to look at it) I had experienced amph psychosis before due to ODing on what I thought was MDMA but now assume was Meth or something similar. (I took 2 caps of it one night, didn't sleep and then went to the club and took 3 caps of it there, experienced the light psychosis later on in the day.)
I'm rambling, sorry.
Anyhow, when I realized I was experiencing mild amph psychosis I got a couple xanax, drank some water, and when I woke up ate as much as I could force into my reluctant stomach. Kept clear of it for a day and a half and decided to take a bump with a friend. That was OK at first, I spent about 2 hours translating French into English for no real reason at all other than nothing to do, and then a couple hours reading until I started to experience intense anxiety, a very unsettling feeling of physical exhaustion, despite how much my mind and body still wanted to move around. Any time I had to get up and walk even ten feet I started to feel light headed and confused. That night I took a seroquel to get to sleep and half a xanax. Woke up and ate a healthy amount with no problems, drank water all day and took some multi-vitamins to help recover. Another day clean after that, and then I began using again at very, very small doses, around 3-7mg max. Most people would consider this a bad idea but I have been eating, drinking, and sleeping a healthy amount every day and have not experienced any bad effects other than some slight chest pain sometimes in the morning (rare, and it goes away quickly) and anxiety effects when I come down. Most, if not all, people will already know that xanax or other benzos are pretty good for alleviating the comedown, but I haven't read anything about seroquel use with it so here's my thoughts on MDPV + Seroquel based on a half dozen or so tries:
The main thing to remember is that you shouldn't take the seroquel right when you begin coming down/feeling bad, I have done this twice and did not feel safe at all. Strong nausea, lightheaded/dizziness unless you are laying flat on your back and haven't eaten anything. If you've used seroquel before you will know not eating is almost impossible and unless you are a super clean eater or don't mind waking up covered in crumbs you will not be able to lie down. I haven't read anyone else mention it before but I also have to piss every 5 minutes when I'm coming down on the peeve so this was particularly troublesome as I can not go to sleep if I even have to pee a little bit. My mind won't let it happen. Others may not find this bothersome or experience at all though.
My non-professional opinion on the best time to take seroquel after MDPV is about 2 hours after the "good" effects have worn off. (The seroquel will take about 30 min - 1 hr to kick in, and will overwhelm the [likely] still noticeable stimulation and anxiety with a heavy sedation.)
I love seroquel for MDPV though, it's better than anything else I have tried. If I take it like I've outlined above I wake up feeling completely refreshed, as if I hadn't done anything at all the night before. Benzos, weed, and everything else I've tried have definitely helped me get to sleep but I wake up feeling like shit and more often than not still have to put a lot of effort into drifting to sleep.
Sorry for the uber-long post, but I figured I'd give my thoughts and I definitely have a lot of them. As with all stimulants (and most substances) if you find yourself rambling like this it would be best to ramble on forums/anonymous websites/etc. I've made the mistake of rambling away at friends or acquaintances via social networking websites, and although no one really acted put out, or complained in any way, I always end up obsessing over minor things I said or just feeling like it was a bad idea later on.
I imagine, if I'm lucky, 3 people tops will read this whole thing, so...
TL;DR (I'm a liar, this part is long, too, sorry)
Sleep is really important to your mental health, and you will definitely not realize how much you are fucking up if you don't get it. Food and water are also important, if you plan on using this for more than half a day at least eat some toast, I found that was the easiest initially. Work your way up from there at a slow but steady pace. You won't realize you're thirsty and when you do nine times out of ten you forget it before you go and get a drink. Don't let this happen. Water is great, but personally I find gator-ade or something similar helps the most. I don't normally drink soda (caffeine makes me sleepy most of the time.) but I've found if I drink it before water I retain the moisture for a longer amount of time. May just be me though.
Amphetamine psychosis is a giant plea for help from your brain, and is very scary even if it is mild. Research the signs and symptoms so you can have a better chance at avoiding it.
Vitamins are the shit, and will help immensely if you feel like you've messed up and need to recover. To be safe, you should probably be taking them anyway.
Benzos and weed are good for dealing with the comedown, but seroquel will knock that shit out of the park with no worries if used properly. I do not use seroquel (or anything else) every night, more often than not I just wait until it wears off completely on its own and I feel genuinely exhausted. Definitely recommended but keeping a sleep schedule like this has proved impossible for me and some nights I do more than others and don't want to endure a full 12-hour come down.
IMPORTANT: I am in no way, shape, or form an expert on this drug (or anything else mentioned), any advice you take from this or actions you make based on my experience/advice are your choices alone. I take no responsibility and I do not advise anyone to binge on MDPV, or do anything that I have mentioned above. This is just what worked for me and what didn't work for me.
Have fun and more importantly be safe! Learn from my mistakes and the countless others reported.
On a final note (hopefully, amirite?) I would like to say that after the initial weeks mistakes I have had a great time and very much enjoy using this substance. I guess we're a rare breed based on the other mega-threads, and things I've read in other RC discussions. Most people (Yes, you are probably in this group, reader) seem to dislike it either right off the bat, or after the first one or two bumps.
I do not plan on buying another bag for a long time after I finish this one, if I do at all despite (or perhaps because of) enjoying it. I'm down to about 1g now (Sharing, giving, wasting accounts for most of that, 4g in 3 weeks sounds like pure hell) and I figure that will be gone before not too long from now.
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Sorry for the essay guys, three weeks is hard to report in a typical length.
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