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Misc MDPV/Bath Salts and Parasites, Bugs, Etc.

itryanythingtwice

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husband has tried bath salts before by insufflation, but began researching EightBallz a few weeks ago. a few days after using for the first time (prob a half/g a day for a few days here, few days there...said he had bugs all over his body, in his nose, and in his mouth. he has used off and on throughout the 3 1/2 weeks and after using fungicide, permethrin, an er visit and follow up dr visit, they said he has scabies. we sleep together always, and have a child. neither do i or my child have these bugs. i am pregnant, and since he has found this chemical have not even touched it. he is convinced that a possibility of allergic reaction of mixing 8ballz and am2201 or that we have some kind of mite that is attracted to his scent alone. i am going crazy, he has not used in at least 24 hours, and after using the creams and steroids the dr gave him, is beginning to think he has them again. he says his skin hurts and itches, and he feels them crawling and flocking to him even after using permethrin cream (which is a pesticidal cream made for your body) he can walk into a room and say he feels them like a magnet. we have cleaned this house over and over, spent LOTS of money on pest treatments and he called an exterminator today. he still thinks he sees these white bugs all over the house, in the trees outside. i am not disagreeing he may be having an allergic reaction-or that he has a skin condition at all-but i really dont see these bugs. i am getting very worried. CAN ANYONE CONFIRM MDPV or MEPHEDRONE (bc i dont know which is in 8ballz) to be linked with ACTUAL bug attraction?! i am really trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but all this is seriously driving me insane. PLEASE GIVE ME EXAMPLES, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS!!!
 
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Yeah, this is an incredibly common hallucination associated with stimulant use. He needs to ask the doc about how to get off MDPV, not how to get 'bugs' off him.

Here is a scene from 'A Scanner Darkly,' based on the book by Philip K. Dick. He was very familiar with the 'bugs,' being a prolific drug addict.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXk_ykK_bw

My only point is that this is a well known phenomenon associated with stimulant addiction. Your husband needs to stop ingesting stims immediately, or he runs a very high risk of full blown drug induced psychosis. If he doesn't get off them soon, he will have other psychotic and potentially dangerous delusions. A psychotic person will believe insane things. I can not stress enough the potential danger you and your kids are in. If he isn't capable of stopping use right away, seek professional medical help!
 
If an examination was performed

and competent medical personnel diagnosed scabies, I'd feel comfortable that at some point there was a mite issue. It's a pretty straight-forward thing to establish- very distinct physical signs. Weird that neither you or the kid is affected, but not beyond the pale.

Most diagnosis of scabies is triggered by the rash- did he have this? It's an allergic reaction, so it's possible that you and your child simply don't react. If he didn't have the rash, and nobody else has had it- well, then, they're simply giving him the permathrin etc to make him go away.

So there could be a little fact to that part- but there's a little hook of reality to most psychosis.

OK- Speed bugs. I've seen 'em- Mine were a good bit bigger than mite size, looked like translucent roaches w/ way too many legs.

It pretty much means that you've been up too long. Mine always went away w/ a little sleep, but after their first appearance they became increasingly common. A lot of stimulant psychosis things are like that- Rare in the corner of your eye on the first run, seeing them clearly across the room on the second, and getting closer and commoner.

I cannot imagine how bad this could have been if I knew I actually had scabies- It was always pretty easy to say to myself " There is no way in hell that thing is real" and move on.

I dunno why we see bugs- but it's a speed thing.

And bugs that are only after him- that's a way-too-much-things-are-gonna-get-weird speed thing.
 
no, he has stopped the stim, and didnt have problems doing that. and the scabies-pretty contagious, and we are not dirty ppl. i know u dont have to be to get them, and my house is not immaculate but i do wash the sheets/pillows n cases at LEAST once a week. and uhh...dr says sweaty skin to skin contact is the main transmission...ok...yes, we have had quite a bit of that since all this started. i just really wanna see some admissions of ppl that have had this on mdpv or meph, he wont even try to see my side whatsoever, because these bugs are still occurring even after stopping the stims, and of course, who wants to be told they are experiencing psychosis? i wouldnt...
 
I interpeted certain physical phenomena precipatated by mdpv use(crack cocaine use years ago) as a parasitic infestation. Medical doctor attributed also scabies.I even began seeing the creatures on virtually everybody else and for a while suspected that it was a global pandemic of some mind controlling agent like the fungus that attacks rain forest ants preventing everyone from seeing them and that the mdpv was acting as a internal parasiticide thus lowing their ability to control my perception.These infestations would invariablly seem to disappear with cessation of mdpv ingestion which played into the paranoid delusion. Upon close examination I could never remember finding a living, wiggling speciman, though I did often remember them oozing out of skin or orfice. I determined to prove my case and collected several of these excretions for closer(large magnafind glass) examination.
What helped tip me into sanity(as least regarding parasites) was washing my arms one night and seeing many salt crystals(I tasted them, not mdpv which I thought at first) washing into the sink. I soon after actually wittnessed a few pass through my pores. This helped me theorize, later supported by observations, that the stimulates can destablize the electrolite balance through the combined actions of dehydration and vasoconstriction to the point that body salts are percipatated subsurface in the dermas. The persperation nontheless continues eventually pushing out the salt crystals and various sebaceous secretions altered by processes that make crystals and congested by the same. The sensations of these secretions feels exactly like bugs crawling all over you. What would probably form a whitehead zit under less extreme conditions look similar to pinworms; what would probably be black heads look very much like miniture fleas. All of this feeds a subtle yet vividly realistic hallucinatory component of extended/high use of mdpv/sleep deprivation.
If he's not ready to quit the drug, get a magnafind glass and read him this, then show him the salt crystals first, then challange him to a living, wiggling, creature.
Vigorous exfolliation, added fluid intake in general, and electrolite containing fluids in particular help reduce these symptoms. Understanding their mechanism helped me ignore the delusions as they were physically real things the mind is misinterpeting; a rope in the dark can look just like a snake but is not a snake.
I must tell you though, that close to the edge physically and mentally is too close to a potential psychotic break for comfort. I speak having spent two weeks once in the mental hospital behind mdpv prior to this realization. I was delusional even a after got out, it was somewhat persistant.
For me the drug was too subtle; I didn't realise how altered my perception was I thought the shit was weak. I now know I'm playing mental russian roulette with the stuff; I try to be much more careful now, though I've never played it safe.
It would be best if he quit it altogether or at least took regular and frequent breaks from it the longer the better
I hope this helps sombody someday.
 
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Mephedrone and similar substances sometimes caused me to break out in hives, perhaps this is what is happening and they're just being mistaken for scabies. It always went away after a few days.
 
Ive had plenty of experience snorting, eating, and IV'ing bath salts/plant foods/whatever they call the drugs they sell over the counter. It sounds like he is just breaking out in hives and probably hallucinating. Personally i've never hallucinated like that from any of it but when your putting loads of experimental drugs into your body and not sleeping, it wouldnt surprise me. he needs to get off of it or use it in moderation. i used it often and ended up in a psych ward, twice, because i wanted to kill myself from the depression it caused when i stopped. Yes, I did alot more than anyone should and Im not saying no one should use it but if hes hallucinating i would say hes past the point i was at.
 
Ive had plenty of experience snorting, eating, and IV'ing bath salts/plant foods/whatever they call the drugs they sell over the counter. It sounds like he is just breaking out in hives and probably hallucinating. Personally i've never hallucinated like that from any of it but when your putting loads of experimental drugs into your body and not sleeping, it wouldnt surprise me. he needs to get off of it or use it in moderation. i used it often and ended up in a psych ward, twice, because i wanted to kill myself from the depression it caused when i stopped. Yes, I did alot more than anyone should and Im not saying no one should use it but if hes hallucinating i would say hes past the point i was at.

Well I am glad you are still with us.

I haven't heard many people tell me the depression from MDPV usage is that bad, so I am interested in what other people have to say.
 
Before purchasing pure MDPV from an online vendor, I was a regular user of the eight ballz brand. The ingredients and potency seemed to change every time. One purchase obviously was cut with lidocaine because it completely numbed my nostril after snorting it. However, the next had the now familiar burn of MDPV. What your husband is experiencing is likely psychosis caused by the use of this substance, especially since he's used waaaaaaaay more than the recommended dosage. If these symptoms continue, he should definitely setup an appointment with a doctor for advice.
 
Feel free to PM regarding this. I don't subscribe to the psychosis vote automatically. Whilst possible, I think it's far to easy to assume it's pyschosis rather than consider other possibilities, no matter how fantastical.

Given what I've experienced with (extensive use) of this substance in the past, I'm not prepared to discount anything. I've had similar physical symptoms as described by the OP, albeit I have derived a different prognosis. My conculsions are fairly startling and I wouldn't be surprised if I share a similar metabolism as the OP's husband, which most other users don't have - whether this be blood group / a deficiency of some kind / something I haven't considered. Not particularly happy posting my extensive views publically because I have no absolute proof of my theories, and without this, I will likely be labelled insane (or suffering from psychosis as is the usual response to me posting about it) :D
 
I got out of treatment about 7 months ago, and was blindsided by the bathsalt complex. I have a friend who experienced residual effects from bath salts for quite sometime. It seems as though the main symptom is complete psychosis.
 
nuked: what is your idea about shutting all the power in the house off? so it would be dark and have no electrical current for the bugs to be attracted to and he would "get covered in the bugs" if they were real? and if he notices no difference it is (or *could* be) psychosis?
I'm am just taking a swing at it but am interested in why you suggest that. Not saying anything bad about it at all.


EDIT: also OP- try to get some benzos and see if they help him.. if they do than he just needs a long break from stims.
Also don't let him get addicted to the benzos, if they help let him use them for no longer than a few days to a week and not as a come down aid so he can keep taking stims, because no matter the answer to the "bugs" he needs a break.
Good luck, keep us updated.

-HOOD
 
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nuked: what is your idea about shutting all the power in the house off? so it would be dark and have no electrical current for the bugs to be attracted to and he would "get covered in the bugs" if they were real? and if he notices no difference it is (or *could* be) psychosis?
I'm am just taking a swing at it but am interested in why you suggest that. Not saying anything bad about it at all.


EDIT: also OP- try to get some benzos and see if they help him.. if they do than he just needs a long break from stims.
Also don't let him get addicted to the benzos, if they help let him use them for no longer than a few days to a week and not as a come down aid so he can keep taking stims, because no matter the answer to the "bugs" he needs a break.
Good luck, keep us updated.

-HOOD

I highly doubt the bugs exist. Whilst I accept the delusional parasitosis theory as possible, I have experienced quite strange sensations when close to electrical currents, which could be described as bugs 'flocking on him'. These feelings stop when I move far away outside, or, turn the power off at the fuse box. I'm not prepared to fully speculate what the reasons for this are, but it could have something to do with free radicals metabolised from PV in vivo.

Probably completely unrelated to what OP's is experiencing; but a possibility I thought worth considering.
 
eight ballz is mdpv cut with who knows what. if he had scabies there would be a 99% chance your family already has it....and half a g a day? the vials come in .5 grams....so depending how quick he did it, the cut, if he tried other ROAs....it could be psychosis.
 
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