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PMZ, I am sorry to hear that you are on such a roller coaster.


Have you considered anti depressants or other medications?

I have considered them. I just Dont like the idea of meds. but I dunno. I Dont understand why others seem to have a bigger upward slope than me. and I keep falling back into a depression

By slow, I just Dont feel like I have a grasp on things. Like slow to pick up on stuff or remember things.
 
Keep an open mind man. You have to do what will make you feel the best. SSRIs and ADs can have some negative side effects but if they can help with your depression it may be worth it.
 
I have had pain in the middle of my spine for 2 years now. Sometimes I have been through horizontal phases of life where I can't even cook myself meals. Lately I've been alright. Im fine in the morning but it comes on later in the day. Then I am forced to lie down. I used to be a gym rat - I would run 10km three times a week, do an hour of yoga every day, and lift weights for around 10 hours a week. I was pushing myself to the max. Now I do none of that - I've had to let it all go, and the suffering was extreme at first as I watched my body wither away, but honestly the panic attacks I get are a million times worse than that, and the physical pain usually doesn't bother me too much. I just can't be physically active like I used to, which sucks because I really think the exercise would help me in my recovery process and I have given up so many activities. It fucking sucks but I have gotten used to the new me. It was caused by a sports injury. I'm much more mentally active than I used to be, reading incessantly and creating music these days.

I got into a good doctor who used to be an addict himself. But I would also describe the panic attacks as 100% physical. I mean, it's obviously mental in nature, but the #1 symptom is extreme physical tension in the area of my heart and it feels like I'm on the verge of a heart attack. I get them pretty much every day, and every time I get one, I essentially experience myself dying of a heart attack but I end up coming out of it ok. I reach for the bottle a lot though, to get me through the attacks, and I don't even like drinking that much but I find myself having no choice but to go there because all I've got is a mild antipsychotic.

I am against using any sort of opiate for the pain. I can get T3's but yes, the caffeine is precisely what puts me off of them. I just know that I'd wind up on the heroin, it's my personality. I've definitely had urges, but I would never want something similar to occur as when I was getting off the weed, so I won't use potentially addictive drugs. I'm interested mainly just in Mdma these days, but I want to see myself heal up a bit before I take it. I never had issues with M. I wonder if I could use it therapeutically, but it probably isn't worth the risk.

All I can do is continue fighting through all of this. There is no simple answer and hopefully in time I will heal. I just hope that 3 years from now, I'm not complaining about the same bullshit.
 
I beginning to wonder how much of this is psychosomatic. Because I cant get my experience off of my mind, no matter what I do, I believe that that is sapping a ton of my brains energy. I think at this point just breaking the cycle of thinking about my comedown is the best thing I can do. However, I have no idea how to do that. Even when I get a positive reaction to something, my mind immediately relates it back to my situation. I am super of obsessed with the idea that I am fucked up. I think that this has a lot to do with why my libido is so drained, as stress can do that to you and I have never been so stressed out about something in my life. Although I've been really stressed before, I've dealt with one of my best friends dying, terminal illness in my immediate family, I've been in a couple serious car wrecks, one time I got jumped by four guys and beaten absolutely senseless over something I wasn't involved in, but none of these things were nearly as traumatizing as this whole experience. My brain never came to the realization that my entire life was going to be fucked up in the immediate aftermath of these events, whereas now, all my brain can do is replay the facts of my situation and tell me that I'm fucked, over and over again.
The problem is when I try to distract myself with the things that I would normally do to relieve stress, like reading, catching a fuckin fish, skating, TV, sex, alcohol, etc, I notice my cognitive and emotional deficits and am thrown back into the cycle of depression and obsession. This is not to say that all of my symptoms are a result of this cycle, I definitely took a ridiculous amount of X and am still feeling the effects of that dose, but I am beginning to believe that my inability to let go of the situation is why my symptoms persist. This whole scenario has my brain running in circles all day, and it is no wonder that I am having trouble focusing, and retaining information when my mind is not interested in anything other than the idea that it has been damaged. I think if I could just relax and once again become interested in something other than my condition, I believe that I could make a lot more progress.

I mean look at some of the classic symptoms of PTSD

Trouble concentrating, got that
Sleep troubles, -got that
hyper vigilance -instead of constantly scanning for Charlie in the trees like a war vet I am constantly monitoring my own thought processes and reactions to things looking for cognitive problems and dulled reactions
Emotional detachment and DP- got that
loss of interest in former hobbies-got that
Memory loss is also listed as a symptom of PTSD
Loss of sex drive-I've got that

Sometimes trauma victims get so freaked out that they go fuckin blind. your brain shuts parts of itself down trying to protect itself from the situation.


I know that real damage occurred, and that it is smart to keep living in a healthy way while my brain re-adjusts, but I cant help to think that the overall trauma of coming to the realization in the first few weeks that I was going to be an emotional cripple/eunuch/halfwit with for the rest of my life, which is not as frightening as coming to the realization that you possibly may take a bayonet to the guts, or get run over by a tank like a war vet, but is still a frightening enough thought to send the brain down into this post trauma state that I am living in now. I'm not sure, only time will tell.

IDK, either way this is still fucked. Still waiting to get excited about a woman.
 
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My experience was very psychosomatic. One I was able to get the "idea" of a comedown off my mind, I started to feel a lot better. Breaking those thought loops took a lot of time and some therapy. If left unchecked, I feel they could have created a nasty spiral for my mental health.

PTSD makes sense - you took a substance that had an effect on your brain and your body has gone into shutdown mode to protect itself.
 
My experience was very psychosomatic. One I was able to get the "idea" of a comedown off my mind, I started to feel a lot better. Breaking those thought loops took a lot of time and some therapy. If left unchecked, I feel they could have created a nasty spiral for my mental health.

PTSD makes sense - you took a substance that had an effect on your brain and your body has gone into shutdown mode to protect itself.

I just think it was the terror that I knew the following day that I had ingested waaaay to much MDMA, (like I've said I don't know exactly how much because my fuckhead friend wont even try to approximate the dosage, which makes me think it was a whole gram and LSD at the same time) In the following week I couldn't think straight, and was so terrified that my life had gone down the drain in one night, and that sent me down this spiral. Not having a serotonic response to anything in the coming weeks amplified this effect.
 
My experience was very psychosomatic. One I was able to get the "idea" of a comedown off my mind, I started to feel a lot better. Breaking those thought loops took a lot of time and some therapy. If left unchecked, I feel they could have created a nasty spiral for my mental health.

PTSD makes sense - you took a substance that had an effect on your brain and your body has gone into shutdown mode to protect itself.

From what you described, I feel like your come down might not have been as bad as some others. You mentioned you did not feel the disassociation or even the lack of musical interest. And once you got ride of the anxiety it was gone.

I wish I was in your case. I mean I havent really had anxiety in a long time. I have had days of total calmness, yet still had feeling of emptiness and lack of brain power. Do you think we had the same reaction?
 
I just think it was the terror that I knew the following day that I had ingested waaaay to much MDMA, (like I've said I don't know exactly how much because my fuckhead friend wont even try to approximate the dosage, which makes me think it was a whole gram and LSD at the same time) In the following week I couldn't think straight, and was so terrified that my life had gone down the drain in one night, and that sent me down this spiral. Not having a serotonic response to anything in the coming weeks amplified this effect.

That was kind of my reaction. Was all the symptoms immediate? or didt it all occur after you realized you might be fucked? for me it wasnt untill 2 days later after my roll that symptoms occured for me. For the first day after, I felt slow and stupid, but I figured it was just a normal come down. The second day was at work and realized I would not think straight at all, thats when the panic hit and thats when things went down hill for me. Makes me wonder if its really like you said a PTSD thing or actual damage. Or just a majot chemical imbalance that caused a mental fatigue, which caused the anxiety.


BTW, your mailbox is full.... I tried to PM you
 
PMZ - I think our experiences are very similar. I had very bad derealization which lead to panic attacks and agoraphobia. For the first month, I could barely leave my house and was absolutely devastated as I thought that I had fried my brain. I slowly got better but still had DR for eight months.

I went to several medical professionals at UCSF and Stanford. They were convinced that recreational use of MDMA would not cause brain damage but rather it could trigger a anxiety reaction. When I say "Anxiety" I use the term very generally. They described it as a temporary stress. Just as some combat veterans detach from reality during fireworks shows, our brains went into safe mode after being exposed to a psychoactive experience.

I, like you, did not feel "anxious." Rather, I had blurry vision, a strong feeling of detachment, a feeling of floating, I felt like I could not concentrate, I would find myself in existential thought loops, I feel a overall "dullness" that I now attribute to stress/anxiety. I did not believe it was "anxiety" at first. I thought I had physical damage.

I realized that by constantly worrying and even thinking about my comedown, I was doing myself no favors. I know it sounds a bit patronizing but when I just chilled out and moved on with my life, I started feeling a lot better. The more attention and grief I gave my symptoms, the worse they became. The first part of my comedown was spent 24/7 agonizing about how miserable I felt and how upset I was that my life had been turned upside down after one night.

My therapist and dr. told me it was just anxiety. At first I did not believe them. I told myself that I know what anxiety is. There is something seriously wrong with my brain and it is not anxiety. But only after a few months, I decided to trust them and say fuck it, I'll try what they say. I kept myself busy, did my best to avoid worrying about how I used to feel and I realized that I was getting better. Althought I did not feel normal, I just forced myself to quit worrying, quit letting my life be defined by my comedown.

My opinion that what I experienced and what everyone else is experiencing is based off the fact that after I recovered, I took MDMA again and it brought back the DR. Since I knew how to approach and deal with it, it went away fairly quickly. If it was brain damage or a chemical imbalance, it should have taken me the same time or longer to recover. My outlook on my "second comedown" was very positive and I was not scared of or even concerned with my feelings. They quickly went away.

The more you convince yourself that you have brain damage, the more your brain will actually believe it is damaged. Look at how many people take MDMA. If it caused brain damage there would be far more people and studies complaining about problems. It is just a small percentage of people with anxiety issues triggered by MDMA.

We are just unlucky, we took some drugs that stressed out our brain and we are left to pick up the pieces.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_students'_disease. I think it explains a lot of my secondary "non-anxiety" symptoms. I googled a bunch of scary shit when I felt off and I started to feel the symptoms of brain damage/serotonin dysfunction.

I still feel like I suffer a bit from the PTSD. It is one of the reasons I still post here after I have completely recovered. I feel that when I come here to share my experience, it helps soothe the emotional trauma that I experienced a the beginning of my comedown.
 
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PMZ - I think our experiences are very similar. I had very bad derealization which lead to panic attacks and agoraphobia. For the first month, I could barely leave my house and was absolutely devastated as I thought that I had fried my brain. I slowly got better but still had DR for eight months.

I went to several medical professionals at UCSF and Stanford. They were convinced that recreational use of MDMA would not cause brain damage but rather it could trigger a anxiety reaction. When I say "Anxiety" I use the term very generally. They described it as a temporary stress. Just as some combat veterans detach from reality during fireworks shows, our brains went into safe mode after being exposed to a psychoactive experience.

I, like you, did not feel "anxious." Rather, I had blurry vision, a strong feeling of detachment, a feeling of floating, I felt like I could not concentrate, I would find myself in existential thought loops, I feel a overall "dullness" that I now attribute to stress/anxiety. I did not believe it was "anxiety" at first. I thought I had physical damage.

I realized that by constantly worrying and even thinking about my comedown, I was doing myself no favors. I know it sounds a bit patronizing but when I just chilled out and moved on with my life, I started feeling a lot better. The more attention and grief I gave my symptoms, the worse they became. The first part of my comedown was spent 24/7 agonizing about how miserable I felt and how upset I was that my life had been turned upside down after one night.

My therapist and dr. told me it was just anxiety. At first I did not believe them. I told myself that I know what anxiety is. There is something seriously wrong with my brain and it is not anxiety. But only after a few months, I decided to trust them and say fuck it, I'll try what they say. I kept myself busy, did my best to avoid worrying about how I used to feel and I realized that I was getting better. Althought I did not feel normal, I just forced myself to quit worrying, quit letting my life be defined by my comedown.

My opinion that what I experienced and what everyone else is experiencing is based off the fact that after I recovered, I took MDMA again and it brought back the DR. Since I knew how to approach and deal with it, it went away fairly quickly. If it was brain damage or a chemical imbalance, it should have taken me the same time or longer to recover. My outlook on my "second comedown" was very positive and I was not scared of or even concerned with my feelings. They quickly went away.

The more you convince yourself that you have brain damage, the more your brain will actually believe it is damaged. Look at how many people take MDMA. If it caused brain damage there would be far more people and studies complaining about problems. It is just a small percentage of people with anxiety issues triggered by MDMA.

We are just unlucky, we took some drugs that stressed out our brain and we are left to pick up the pieces.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_students'_disease. I think it explains a lot of my secondary "non-anxiety" symptoms. I googled a bunch of scary shit when I felt off and I started to feel the symptoms of brain damage/serotonin dysfunction.

I still feel like I suffer a bit from the PTSD. It is one of the reasons I still post here after I have completely recovered. I feel that when I come here to share my experience, it helps soothe the emotional trauma that I experienced a the beginning of my comedown.

I cant disagree with anything you are saying. I do find it a bit hard to see how it could really be brain damage and last this long.

I just find it hard to move along with my life. I mean I got a job and life in a new state. Im trying to make friends, but its hard to just move along when you really cant find things to occupy your time recrationally. Like shit man, I cant even listen to music and relax. I used to go to shows all the time as my outlook and thing to look forward to.

Im stuck in this survival mode. I have to keep busy all the time to stop my self from getting into my head again. How does one just move along when you are stuck in that mode. Ive been searching for things to really connect with and enjoy, but its so fleeting.

Hitting the gym and working are the two things I sort of only thing I look forward to.

I need a little relax and recreation in my life. I just dont know how to obtain that.

Its hard to make friends. Though I can socialize finally and chat with people, its hard relate with people and I feel like there is social barrier created by this mental condition that sort of stops me from wanting to get close to people.

Its frustrating, beasue I also keep relasping into depression. I feel like alot of guys here, have this slope of once they get better, its all uphill. But for me its, get better for a few weeks then hardcore suicidal depression all over again that I have to climb my self out of.

Did you have that at all? I feel like there is something seriously holding me back from recovering and I cant seem to find what it is.
 
and i Just cant seem to get over the music problem. Fuck! Man. Can I just blissfully enjoy my music again with out getting depressed that there is something missing. Thats all I want. Everyhting esle can be fine, If I can have my music back
 
I cleared it

Your mailbox was full, so I'll write it here because I feel you should know:

You asked me the following:

hey I was wondering what was the dose that put you in this mess, and what was the time frame on recovering from certain symptoms

My answer:

Around 250mg.

From the time that I had the trip from hell, to the time I felt nearly 100%, it took close to 19 months.

I feel my recovery would have been faster if I hadn't decided to "wait it out" for the first 6 or so months.

Your reply:

word. my dose was exponentially higher. Im guess I'm just gonna have to buckle down and see how this goes

My reply (didn't go through because your mailbox was full at the time, but you should know):

Keep in mind that for a period of about 3 years and a few months (leading up to the bad roll), I was rolling at least once (but many times twice, and rarely three times) every weekend.

Every time I'd roll, I'd go through at least 3 pills over the course of a night, but it wasn't uncommon for me to use up to 10 pills at times, depending on how I felt.

Every time before I'd roll, I'd have this ritual of quickly downing 2-3 beers to take the edge (the come up) off.

Whenever I'd be rolling, it was very unusual for me to not go through at least 1 pack of cigarettes (sometimes up to 3 packs) per night.

Countless times throughout the midweek of this period, while my serotonin was trying to recover from being consumed, I would regularly partake in other highs - mainly cocaine, alcohol, marijuana, opioids, tobacco, and amphetamines (usually meth, but also Rx meds such as Dexedrine).

Very rarely do I recall being completely sober during this time. And I did this on purpose.

The reason I'm telling you this is because I refuse to believe that one roll caused me so much pain and suffering. More like easily over 1,000+ pills eaten way too frequently did this to me - this is not something I'm proud to admit.

I got no objective evidence to support my theory, but I will say that a few months before the bad roll (which was in June 2005), I remember waking up one morning at like 5am in March of that same year with one symptom in particular: an uncomfortable awareness of my heart beating (felt more like pounding).

I should have taken that symptom as a sign that I need to slow down big time, but I ignored it. And I guess I got what was coming to me (a lot more symptoms).

Ironically, the only symptom which still bothers me from time to time nowadays is the same uncomfortable awareness of my heart beating/pounding. But it only happens on rare occasions.

I have been able to roll a number of times since I recovered, but I never roll anymore without first testing the product, and I make sure to be prepared for the worst.


P.S. - I don't use meth, booze, cocaine, or weed anymore. My opioid use however has skyrocketed (oxycodone, hydromorphone, heroin, fentanyl, methadone).
 
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For any interested in MDMA recovery I have pretty strange answer to you're problems,
Steroids?, Yes, steroids are what not only shot me out of my mdma induced depressing but then set me on the path to live a more healthy, in-shape life, and pursue school long after I have ceased to take them.
Some things that have helped Nootropics P.M. for questions on those
St johns wort - Strongly effective for raising mood
Fish oil & exercise
 
For any interested in MDMA recovery I have pretty strange answer to you're problems,
Steroids?, Yes, steroids are what not only shot me out of my mdma induced depressing but then set me on the path to live a more healthy, in-shape life, and pursue school long after I have ceased to take them.
Some things that have helped Nootropics P.M. for questions on those
St johns wort - Strongly effective for raising mood
Fish oil & exercise

all thats says is that it was a testosterone issue for you. I dont know if i would recommend steroids though
 
Felt actual panic today! one of the most distressing issues with my condition is that the logical side of my brain has been so freaked out, and there has been no emotional reponse to it. today I woke up and actually felt a great deal of fear and distress in my body in reaction to my thoughts. I know this sounds strange but this is a huge step for me.
 
all thats says is that it was a testosterone issue for you. I dont know if i would recommend steroids though

I've been thinking about getting my test levels checked, and maybe going on TRT if it is as readily available in my country as it is in the states
 
all thats says is that it was a testosterone issue for you. I dont know if i would recommend steroids though

Not necessarily a testosterone issue. May also be a cortisol issue if he responded to steroids
 
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