MDMA Recovery (Stories & Support - 7) [ALL LTC posts go here]

[ageingpartyfiend]

Surely there could be set of people that have infrequent panic attacks but not enough to have panic disorder or get diagnosed with such.

of course there are, no doubt whatsoever

 

[snmfmy]

Surely there could be set of people that have infrequent panic attacks but not enough to have panic disorder or get diagnosed with such.

The statement was "once you have a panic attack you are more likely to have another one." That's unsupportable by the current data we have regarding prevalence of at least one panic attack during lifetime which is 35% or more of the general population, and the incidence of panic disorder which runs somewhere between 3 and 7 but most likely is around 4 to 5%.

Current evidence would support the statement, "once you have a panic attack, you may transition to panic disorder, however, that is a small percentage of the population"

The diagnostic criteria for panic disorder is having four or more panic attacks.

So no, I don't think there's that many undiagnosed people that have had multiple panic attacks.

Panic Disorder

Panic disorder is when you have repeated, unexpected panic attacks and worry constantly about when the next one might happen. Medicines and therapy can help.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[snmfmy]

of course there are, no doubt whatsoever

There's a lot of doubt.

"Generally, if you have 4 or more panic attacks and if you always worry about having another, you have panic disorder."

I don't see many people going undiagnosed when the bar is only four panic attacks

Panic Disorder

Panic disorder is when you have repeated, unexpected panic attacks and worry constantly about when the next one might happen. Medicines and therapy can help.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[Burkett]

Well, I've been waiting for the momen it's my turn to post here. After one entire year, I can. I am 100% recovered guys. I did it.

Around this date last year, I took some incredibly strong ecstasy pills and just kept popping them throughout the night because my memory was utterly shot and I didn't remember redosing.

The symptom that followed that were absolute insanity. Physical, psychosomatic and mental.
- Muscle twitches
- Weird brain tingling sensations
- Hot and cold flushes
- Dizziness
- Hypnic Jerks
- Anxiety
- Both anxiety and panic atacks that were really bad
- Depression
- Insomnia: inability to fall asleep and remain asleep
- Digestive issues
- Brain fog
- Bad memory
- Completely threw my menstrual cycle off

Most of the symtoms were unbearable. To be completely honest, I still get some muscle twitches but only veeeeery occasionally. I used to get them every 30 seconds without fail if I was idle.

The recovery process took a lot of mental fortitude. The first two months were hell on earth. I did have to fall back on benzodiazepines to get some sleep and some anxiety relief, but I slowly tapered off them. Sleep is absolutely essential to recovery.

Then I completely transformed my health. I started doing cardio a number of days a week. I did a lot of research into health and longevity. I cut out all processed food, added sugars, basically ate a ton of super foods and vegetables. I started following longevity forums and I take like 5-8 supplements daily for health. And now I'm in the best shape of my life.

Guys, on week two I was going to kill myself. I felt alone, I had symptoms that no one else had. My mind was a black hole and I would get panic attacks out of nowhere and start shaking. I couldn't leave my bed.

That's right, I couldn't leave my bed from the panic attacks. I would move at all and my body would break into an incontrolable shake.

There were nights I could not get a drop of sleep. I could barely work or think straight. I thought I would never FEEL LOVE or HAPPINESS again. I lost all emotion for people. The only thing I felt was LIQUID FEAR. Just cold shards of dread in my veins. The worst thing I have ever gone through.

But guess what! I'M ALIVE, I'M HAPPY AND I MADE IT. I EXCEL AT MY JOB. I JOINED A BAND. MY MIND IS SHARP. EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL. AND I DID IT ALL BY MYSELF.

IF I CAN DO IT SO CAN YOU.

NEVER GIVE UP.

SAYONARA!

 

[justanotherltc2]

So you don't think it had to do with you smoking weed every single day and then stopping while in the middle of a cocaine induced anxiety ridden depressive episode? That couldn't be it at all?

The MDMA was not contaminated with heavy metals. That was your tuna fish sandwich or your sushi.

Your reply is nothing more than a typical straw man fallacy. Do you even know what that is? You are simply distorting my statements to make it easier for you to attack imaginary words you put into my mouth. I never proposed that I was definitively blaming MDMA for 100% of the problems I was/am experiencing, nor did I claim that my pre-existing anxiety or use of other drugs were not possible factors. There are many different potential factors that can contribute to these "long term comedown" experiences for people. The reason why I posted here is because MDMA is one of the main drugs I used leading up to my experience, so it is a highly probable factor. Whether MDMA directly caused these problems for some people or it triggered the surfacing of underlying latent physical or psychological problems really doesn't matter, the MDMA is still a contingent factor, so there still lies a degree of blame with the drug. It's like telling someone who trips on LSD and ends up with schizophrenia, "the LSD didn't cause it, don't blame the LSD bro." While that person might have a genetic predisposition for schizophrenia that could have still been activated later on in life, the LSD was still a key step in "unlocking" that disorder much earlier and faster than it would have happened naturally, if at all. There were probably many factors leading up to my LTC but using two relatively high doses of MDMA too close together and redosing throughout the night was likely a major factor, so why would I ignore it and bury my head in the sand?

Since you are a fan of "science" and "evidence" and seem to discard everyone else's anecdotal experiences in this thread, which are still along the hierarchy of evidence, I am sure you already know there are plenty of systematic reviews and clinical studies to suggest that MDMA is neurotoxic in both animals and humans.[1] There is also a hypothesis that some of this neurotoxicity could be mediated by synaptic dopamine getting trapped in the serotonin transporters and oxidizing them after they are depleted of serotonin and left in a vulnerable state following a roll. Both this and increased hyperthermia are why combining MDMA and dopaminergic stimulants (such as cocaine in my case), or even using them shortly after, is a much higher risk factor than using MDMA in isolation.

Furthermore, if you knew anything about the chemistry of MDMA synthesis you would also know that since safrole was banned in many countries over the recent years, a lot of popular synths now use a mercury-aluminum amalgam for reduction which could potentially still leave contaminant byproducts in the final solution if chromatography is not properly performed in clandestine labs where stringent standards are not always followed, so heavy metal toxicity is absolutely a real threat to end users of street grade MDMA.[2] There are also different isomers of MDMA just like ketamine, there is S-MDMA and R-MDMA, and there is evidence to suggest that newer synths are producing more S-MDMA than R-MDMA, which carries more physical and psychological adverse effects.[3]

Additionally, MDMA also causes heavy oxidative stress to numerous systems in the body, including the immune system and the HPA axis, by releasing a very high amount of cortisol and other stress hormones (even serotonin itself is a stress hormone).[4][5] MDMA is also a potent immuno-modulator, and can temporarily weaken the immune system which could open the door to secondary autoimmune issues to come to light.[6] Add the fact that long COVID is also now a potential factor in current times and this risk becomes even higher. MDMA also down-regulates the liver enzyme tryptophan hydroxylase for a long time after use, which is responsible for metabolizing all of your serotonin.[7] So you are not only depleting your available serotonin stores, but also decreasing receptor sensitivity (tolerance), and lowering your ability to produce more serotonin for a while after. This is a perfect storm for a cascading effect of downstream issues that could lead to a lot of the experiences people have here. I am sure everyones LTC is caused by multiple different factors, and maybe not even MDMA at all, but this doesn't invalidate their experience.

To be honest you just seem like a snobby contrarian who gets off to coming onto a thread where people are suffering from an experience that you have never personally had to go through, just so you can attempt to invalidate them for imaginary internet points to boost your pathetic ego. People like you are the exact reason drugs like MDMA are illegal, because you act like these drugs are benign, and could never possibly cause any problems for people instead of rationally and objectively weighing the cost-benefit analysis of these substances. No drug is perfectly harmless, not even cannabis. Even water or aspirin can kill someone at the right dose. Empathogens like MDMA are both a tool and sacrament that have impressive potential in the field of psychotherapy, personal development, and spirituality. However, they need to be handled with extreme care, and there is always the risk of adverse reactions with ANY drug, whether it be illicit psychoactive street drugs or pharmaceuticals.

Maybe you should go find your seat at the table somewhere else where you belong and fit in, where you can feel special about yourself, because it definitely is not here. I have provided sources at the bottom for every scientific claim I have made, although I know you probably wont read them since you are just here to troll.

Sources:

[1] Systematic reviews of evidence pointing towards MDMA neurotoxicity:

MDMA and the Brain: A Short Review on the Role of Neurotransmitters in Neurotoxicity - PMC

N-Methyl-3, 4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDMA), or ecstasy is a recreational drug of abuse. It is a synthetic substance that affects the body’s systems, which its mechanism of action and treatment should be more investigated. MDMA provides an ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Neurotoxicity of ecstasy (MDMA): an overview - PubMed

"Ecstasy" (MDMA) is a powerful hallucinogenic drug which has raised concern worldwide because of its high abuse liability. A plethora of studies have demonstrated that MDMA has the potential to induce neurotoxicity both in human and laboratory animals. Although research on MDMA has been carried...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014488621003022

MDMA - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

[2] MDMA synthesis uses toxic mercury amalgam for reduction:

Determination of synthesis method of ecstasy based on the basic impurities - PubMed

MDMA was prepared by five different synthesis routes, i.e. by dissolving metal reduction (Al/Hg), cyanoborohydride reduction (NaBH(3)CN), borohydride reduction in low temperature (NaBH(4)), Leuckart reaction and safrole bromination. MDP-2-P was prepared by two different synthesis methods, i.e...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Determination of synthesis method of ecstasy based on the basic impurities

MDMA was prepared by five different synthesis routes, i.e. by dissolving metal reduction (Al/Hg), cyanoborohydride reduction (NaBH3CN), borohydride re…

www.sciencedirect.com

[3] MDMA S-isomer (S-MDMA) carries more adverse effects with fewer prosocial effects:

Separating the agony from ecstasy: R(−)-3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine has prosocial and therapeutic-like effects without signs of neurotoxicity in mice - PMC

S,R(+/−)-3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (SR-MDMA) is an amphetamine derivative with prosocial and putative therapeutic effects. Ongoing clinical trials are investigating it as a treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and other ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Characterization of 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) Enantiomers In Vitro and in the MPTP-Lesioned Primate: R-MDMA Reduces Severity of Dyskinesia, Whereas S-MDMA Extends Duration of ON-Time

l-3,4-Dihydroxyphenylalanine (l-DOPA) is the most effective treatment for Parkinson's disease, but long-term l-DOPA administration is marred by the emergence of motor complications, namely, dyskinesia and a shortening of antiparkinsonian benefit (wearing-OFF). 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine...

www.jneurosci.org

[4] MDMA oxidative stress:

Mechanisms of MDMA (Ecstasy)-Induced Oxidative Stress, Mitochondrial Dysfunction, and Organ Damage - PMC

Despite numerous reports about the acute and sub-chronic toxicities caused by MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, ecstasy), the underlying mechanism of organ damage is poorly understood. The aim of this review is to present an update of the ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A review on the mitochondrial toxicity of “ecstasy” (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, MDMA)

3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA or “ecstasy”) is a drug of abuse used by millions worldwide. MDMA human abuse and dependence is well described…

www.sciencedirect.com

[5] MDMA increases cortisol levels by 100-200%:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25014666/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924977X13003374

[6] MDMA is an immuno-modulator and weakens the immune system:

[Immunomodulator properties of ecstasy (MDMA)] - PubMed

In vitro exposure to ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, MDMA) alters some immune parameters such as T-cell regulatory function, cytotoxic T-lymphocyte activity, natural killer cell activity and macrophage function. Administration of MDMA in rats produces a suppression of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Immunomodulating activity of MDMA - PubMed

MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine) use can cause neurochemical, behavioral and endocrine alterations, similar to those produced by exposure to acute stress, suggesting its potential as a "chemical stressor." It is known that stressful stimuli can produce a depression of immune function and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Immunomodulating properties of MDMA alone and in combination with alcohol: A pilot study

Cell-mediated immune response after the administration of MDMA alone and in combination with alcohol was evaluated in a randomized, double-blind, doub…

www.sciencedirect.com

[7] MDMA down-regulates tryptophan hydroxylase:

Effect of repeated exposure to MDMA on the function of the 5-HT transporter as assessed by synaptosomal 5-HT uptake - PMC

Recent studies have demonstrated that a preconditioning regimen (i.e., repeated low doses) of MDMA provides protection against the reductions in tissue concentrations of 5-HT and 5-HT transporter (SERT) density and/or expression produced by a ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

MDMA - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[justanotherltc2]

Even though this thread is basically dead I still want to update everyone here on my LTC progress just in case anyone still checks or any newbies stumble across this thread. I had to remake my account under the original username "justanotherltc", because I lost my credentials. It has been about 8 months now since my little run in with LTC, and I am happy to say I feel about 75% recovered on average. Most of the unbearable symptoms such as severe anxiety, anhedonia, and nerve problems have mostly subsided. I still have bad and good days with my anxiety, but I have learned to manage it.

Some of the things that helped me on the path of recovery were meditation, healthy diet, low intensity exercise, medication, and supplements. I would recommend doing at least 15 minutes of meditation per day using a guided meditation. Also trying a low inflammation diet such as the ketogenic diet, but this can be kind of harsh to start when you are going through this, so I would just start off by cutting out the most processed and inflammatory foods. Basically don't eat anything your grandparents wouldn't have been eating. I would recommend exercise but NOT intense exercise, go for short walks and get out in nature. I can't stress enough that meeting with a psychiatrist and therapist is crucial for getting through this. If you are against SSRI's because you are afraid of crashing, then there are still a lot of other options to consider. Just let your doctor know how you feel and they will work with you. If you have an all around anti-pharma mentality just remember you were willing to put random drugs off the street into your body, so you should keep an open mind when it comes to trying approved medications that have gone through clinical trials. Personally, I took a low dose of Mirtazapine (a non SSRI antidepressant) in the first few months to help with the anxiety and sleep, and it provided me a lot of relief. I was eventually able to ween off of it, and now I am both drug and medication free. There are also as-needed basis medications for anxiety that you can just take on your bad days that don't effect serotonin at all, such as beta blockers like propranolol (blocks adrenaline), and even antihistamines such as Visteril. If you want to go for an SSRI, Paxil seems to have helped the most people in this thread. Sleep is absolutely necessary to recover so if you arent getting good sleep, see a doctor and don't wait.

I would also recommend seeing a physical physician and getting some tests done if you can to rule out anything else. Tests I would recommend looking into are an extensive blood workup with total blood count, liver enzymes, inflammatory markers, vitamins and minerals, hormonal panels, and even heavy metal toxicity panels (hair test is more accurate than a blood test if you can get it). Be honest with your doctor about your LTC and why you want the tests, they aren't the cops or your mom. As for supplements to try, it really depends on your particular type of LTC and what is causing it. If you read my reply to the bozo clown just up above this post, you will see where I provided many possible theories for mechanisms that may cause an LTC. If it is related to lack of serotonin, the amino acid L-tryptophan can help to replenish levels. You can also get this naturally in foods like red meat, milk, and nuts. I do NOT recommend 5-HTP, as metabolism is not rate limited and it can actually produce too much serotonin in your body at once which is dangerous (serotonin syndrome risk). L-tryptophan is rate limited by your liver to only produce exactly what you need. If your LTC is related to the HPA axis, taking oral Pregnenolone may help to stimulate the rebalancing of hormones in the body. If it has to do with immuno-modulation, you may be dealing with autoimmunity, or even a reactivated infectious opportunistic biofilm such as long COVID or candida. Trying something like a corticosteroid (immunosuppressant) has provided some people temporary relief in this thread, which suggests that some people may have autoimmune problems after an LTC. Corticosteroids are typically not good to take long term, so I would recommend changing your diet to lower carb anti-inflammatory diet to reduce inflammation and starve off bacterial overgrowth. NAC is also a good supplement, it is an amino acid that your body metabolizes into glutathione, which is your bodies most powerful natural antioxidant. It is also a potent biofilm breaker and mucosal agent, so this not only helps with inflammation, but also promotes immunity as a mild antibacterial. NAC is even a mild chelator, so if the problem lies with heavy metals, it will help to flush out your system over time. Because of this, if you decide to take it regularly it also has the side effect of depleting your micronutrient stores so just remember to supplement minerals such as magnesium, zinc, and copper alongside the NAC while you are taking it. These minerals can't hurt to take on their own anyways, as most people are somewhat deficient in them. I would recommend starting with a dose of 500mg NAC to see how you feel, then work your way up to a gram if you aren't getting the results you want. If you are trying multiple supplements I would recommend starting with the lowest dose and cycling on and off instead of daily use so you can keep a journal and see how different things are affecting you.

TL;DR
Activities that can help: Meditation, low inflammation diets, low intensity exercise, medication, supplements
Tests to consider: blood count, liver enzymes, inflammatory markers, vitamins and minerals, hormones, heavy metal (hair > blood)
Medications to consider: Paxil (SSRI), Mirtazapine (non-SSRI antidepressant), propranolol (beta blocker), Visteril (antihistamine), low dose of benzodiazapines / Z drugs as a last resort (warning: high dependency potential - ONLY do this short term (2-4 weeks MAX) no matter WHAT unless you want another even worse problem than LTC, I only mention them because they can be a lifesaver in the depths of despair)
Supplements to consider: L-Tryptophan (I recommend this over 5-HTP because its safer), Pregnenolone, NAC, chamomile tea

If anyone has any additional questions for me, I will try and occasionally check this thread. Hang in there, it really does get better for most people. If you need someone to just talk to, feel free to send me a PM or message me on reddit or telegram, my username for both is: cactusaloha.

The most important healer is time. Tick tock!

 

[Burkett]

Maybe it helps others, but I finally found the reason why I still have involuntary twitches / jerky movements after my MDMA 'overdose'.
Apparently it can be a long-term side effect of serotonin syndrome.

The long-term effects of excessive serotonin can result in neurological issues, including a condition called tardive dyskinesia, in which a person experiences uncontrollable jerky movements of the body

That said, they have largely subsided and I may be in the path to full remission from them. I hardly twitch during the day anymore.

 

[Juicewrldfan]

Maybe it helps others, but I finally found the reason why I still have involuntary twitches / jerky movements after my MDMA 'overdose'.
Apparently it can be a long-term side effect of serotonin syndrome.

That said, they have largely subsided and I may be in the path to full remission from them. I hardly twitch during the day anymore.

Hmmm…I’ve been getting twitches since my last stimulant binge. Maybe I had serotonin syndrome. I thought I was just in psychosis from my bipolar disorder mixed with stimulant abuse. I was wondering what was going on

 

[dorothey]

Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone can advise me or even just give me a bit of a hand hold.

I took a prescribed stimulant back in April for a couple weeks. I stopped it as it was making me anxious and sad. I have no prior history of MH issues. But since then life has been hell. I flit between being severely depressed to anxious. I can’t sleep without sleeping aids and it’s all I can think about.

It’s been 5 months and I have days where I think I’m nearly recovered then days like today hit and I feel back to square one. When is this going to end?! I can’t imagine feeling happy again.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Which stimulant was it and what dose and why was it prescribed? How long did you take it for?

 

[dorothey]

Which stimulant was it and what dose and why was it prescribed? How long did you take it for?

It was phentermine. I took it for 2 weeks, but had previously taken it on and off a couple of times for a few weeks at a time earlier in the year.

 

[AutoTripper]

Hi everyone,

I wonder if anyone can advise me or even just give me a bit of a hand hold.

I took a prescribed stimulant back in April for a couple weeks. I stopped it as it was making me anxious and sad. I have no prior history of MH issues. But since then life has been hell. I flit between being severely depressed to anxious. I can’t sleep without sleeping aids and it’s all I can think about.

It’s been 5 months and I have days where I think I’m nearly recovered then days like today hit and I feel back to square one. When is this going to end?! I can’t imagine feeling happy again.

Hey. Seriously for potential rebalancing brain chemistry sake here, look into Kava honest.

One plain ultra critical detail regarding it always though, just never combine Kava with alcohol any which way.

One or other, separated by 1-2 whole days (2 best IMO) absolutely fine though just never overlapping.

Kava will HELP you mate like instantly consistently repeatedly predictably safely and zero brain harm actually of all Kava’s rightly hailed greatnesses by the still relative minority who do know, in my conviction it’s unique brain chemistry/neurotransmitter
re-balancing activities of the v analogous to Cannabinoids really, “Kavalactones” just miss right out on all the Grammies lol not joking re my point too!



Have a look anyway.


Any, all here suffering.

I took wild q’s original to 2005 Exstacy like 3000 pills easy add 50 grams original uncut MDMA crystal, MDE, MDA etc.


Lifetime ago. Lyme disease now 25 plus long Covids while being allergic to 99% of about everything about whoop any f bother I’d be having personally from remeniscent Exstacy abuse brain re-ordering though.



Serious physical nerve damage direct from NS infections after 2004 Tick Bite.



Still I have to work like a trooper to forever self counsel, to not go insane.

Though maybe even more gargantuan amounts in a relative sense of LSD until 2023 eventually played strongly into this battle as well like duh surprise haha….




But…. Kava is a magic carpet and check it out refuse all fake anti-propaganda and see how it can’t be nearer natural as far as either psychoactives, plant or any medicines or this case both go.


All any LTC’ers just never mix with alcohol. 24 to 48 hrs min as a rule, each way safe af then.

Actually not even “safer” than alcohol.

Just not in any same sense or way- “Deadly” (Truth!)

 

[Burkett]

Hmmm…I’ve been getting twitches since my last stimulant binge. Maybe I had serotonin syndrome. I thought I was just in psychosis from my bipolar disorder mixed with stimulant abuse. I was wondering what was going on

How are they now?
I started taking Vyvanse for my ADHD and drinking a lot of coffee and it's made the twitches much worse. I don't have them when I'm moving around but as soon as I sit down or any of my limbs are immobile I get twitches and tiny jerks.

It's been 13 months since my OD.

 

[Burkett]

i still have head pressure and tinnitus since 2017. cycles back and forth between better periods and worse periods no matter what type of mental health or migraine med i try

What about twitches, do you still have those?

 

[15treeswitharoad]

How are they now?
I started taking Vyvanse for my ADHD and drinking a lot of coffee and it's made the twitches much worse. I don't have them when I'm moving around but as soon as I sit down or any of my limbs are immobile I get twitches and tiny jerks.

It's been 13 months since my OD.

I got a notification of someone replying to this thread in my email and decided to log in to share my experience as LTC can be a hell of a lonely road because not a lot of people experience it and the symptoms can be extreme, scary, and seem to go on forever.

In my experience, I went crazy on a Molly and XTC bing one night on June of 2023 and the next day I was fucked. Crazy seizure like twitches that would wake me out of my sleep, if I could even manage to get any. I must’ve taken around 700mg of the drugs and it took me a loooooooo g ass time for the symptoms to come down. I was suicidal because I couldn’t sleep for months. I was coming on here for some support and many people suggest SSRIS but fuck all that. To be honest, for anyone reading this, a whole year passed with very little improvement. Although, many of the twitches and seizure like spasms subsided, the one and only thing that is still lingering for me in December of 2024 is the anxiety/ panic attacks that seem to just be existent 24/7, although, it has been dramatically reduced compared to last year, but still there.

I will say tho that over the last 3 months, it has relaxed substantially. Sometimes I’ll be doing something and realize that I feel normal… no anxiety, I’m just existing in a calm like state. Which is great because that heart sinking feeling I’ve been experiencing for almost 2 years is fucking annoying. At some point I just accepted the fact that I did this to myself and I would have to live with it and make the best of it. I sobered up COMPLETELY. No weed, no alcohol, no cigarettes because I found that even a slight indulgence in these things, ramped up my anxiety, ruined my sleep, and would bring back the twitches which is not something I want to experience anymore. All this to say is that for me personally, time and staying sober is what helped me the most I think. I exercise and take care of myself more than I ever have since June of 2023, lost about 80lbs, and am shredded af. The symptoms could’ve held me back, or I could just live with it and make the best of my life and predicament.

Today is Dec. 2, 2024, I’m about to end my college semester with all As, have been getting GREAT sleep, and am sober for the first time in my life since I was 18. I’m 28, going on 29. Just keep powering through guys, it does get better slowly but surely over time. I had horrible symptoms the day after ingesting over 700mg of MDMA and thought I would never be able to function and be normal, but 2024 has honestly been one of the best years of my life. The anxiety and panic attacks ks over the course of 2 years have decreased dramatically where I maybe only experience it 20/30% of the time now? But that’s dependent on my habits. If I drink, it comes back full force. If I smoke a stogie when I’m stressed, forget it, the rest of the day my heart is racing and I’m experiencing it all over again. Luckily I can have coffee and handle the slight bursts of anxiety but I’m honestly so glad to be in this position compared the the months and weeks after my OD. It was ssooooooo fucking hard not getting any sleep, sometimes going deaf in one ear for a few seconds, thinking I had caused brain damage, legs twitching me out of my “sleep” wondering “what the fuck have I done to myself” I don’t deal with that stuff anymore, stay sober and let your body recover! Reach out if you guys need some support. I had a really bad time and now I’m in a position where I’m sitting at the coffee shop at 9:30am writing this message, no anxiety, just feeling normal. Never thought I’d be in this place. Praise be to god! Hang in there guys, it gets better, the trip is just a long one

 

[Burkett]

I got a notification of someone replying to this thread in my email and decided to log in to share my experience as LTC can be a hell of a lonely road because not a lot of people experience it and the symptoms can be extreme, scary, and seem to go on forever.

In my experience, I went crazy on a Molly and XTC bing one night on June of 2023 and the next day I was fucked. Crazy seizure like twitches that would wake me out of my sleep, if I could even manage to get any. I must’ve taken around 700mg of the drugs and it took me a loooooooo g ass time for the symptoms to come down. I was suicidal because I couldn’t sleep for months. I was coming on here for some support and many people suggest SSRIS but fuck all that. To be honest, for anyone reading this, a whole year passed with very little improvement. Although, many of the twitches and seizure like spasms subsided, the one and only thing that is still lingering for me in December of 2024 is the anxiety/ panic attacks that seem to just be existent 24/7, although, it has been dramatically reduced compared to last year, but still there.

I will say tho that over the last 3 months, it has relaxed substantially. Sometimes I’ll be doing something and realize that I feel normal… no anxiety, I’m just existing in a calm like state. Which is great because that heart sinking feeling I’ve been experiencing for almost 2 years is fucking annoying. At some point I just accepted the fact that I did this to myself and I would have to live with it and make the best of it. I sobered up COMPLETELY. No weed, no alcohol, no cigarettes because I found that even a slight indulgence in these things, ramped up my anxiety, ruined my sleep, and would bring back the twitches which is not something I want to experience anymore. All this to say is that for me personally, time and staying sober is what helped me the most I think. I exercise and take care of myself more than I ever have since June of 2023, lost about 80lbs, and am shredded af. The symptoms could’ve held me back, or I could just live with it and make the best of my life and predicament.

Today is Dec. 2, 2024, I’m about to end my college semester with all As, have been getting GREAT sleep, and am sober for the first time in my life since I was 18. I’m 28, going on 29. Just keep powering through guys, it does get better slowly but surely over time. I had horrible symptoms the day after ingesting over 700mg of MDMA and thought I would never be able to function and be normal, but 2024 has honestly been one of the best years of my life. The anxiety and panic attacks ks over the course of 2 years have decreased dramatically where I maybe only experience it 20/30% of the time now? But that’s dependent on my habits. If I drink, it comes back full force. If I smoke a stogie when I’m stressed, forget it, the rest of the day my heart is racing and I’m experiencing it all over again. Luckily I can have coffee and handle the slight bursts of anxiety but I’m honestly so glad to be in this position compared the the months and weeks after my OD. It was ssooooooo fucking hard not getting any sleep, sometimes going deaf in one ear for a few seconds, thinking I had caused brain damage, legs twitching me out of my “sleep” wondering “what the fuck have I done to myself” I don’t deal with that stuff anymore, stay sober and let your body recover! Reach out if you guys need some support. I had a really bad time and now I’m in a position where I’m sitting at the coffee shop at 9:30am writing this message, no anxiety, just feeling normal. Never thought I’d be in this place. Praise be to god! Hang in there guys, it gets better, the trip is just a long one

Hey, ya that notification was me. Incredibly similar story, I took about 500-700mg and basically same date as you, June. 2023. Dose unknown really. My memory was so shot that I kept redosing.

I also was on a constant state of panic and anxiety attacks for the first month. If I did get any sleep, it was 3 hours max. (For those experiencing this, get on Remeron/Mirtazapine. God damn I wish I knew this back then!). I had every symptom under the moon except stuff like tinnitus and vision problems. I stopped absolutely everything 6 months in. I don't drink or smoke or do anything like that.

Now 1.5 years later the only outstanding things are anxiety, depression (not sure if worse than before though), twitches which are now resurfacing probably because I'm taking stimulant medication for ADHD and loads of coffee, coffee is particularly bad for the twitches. Weird how brain things trigger things. Gonna stop both and see if they go away.

My life has done a 360 for the better as well, though. I got a new job that is wildly good. I've never looked or felt better. Worse things have happened since the LTC surprisingly (a very traumatic breakup). But as this experience taught me, what doesn't kill me makes me stronger. I used that pain to rewire and overcome myself. Going to therapy for the breakup and not the LTC as it turns out lol. Crazy shit.

Thank you for sharing and congratulations on your achievements.

 

[Burkett]

Of Herbs and Altars just posted a video on her molly experience

 

[ex-amine]

This is one of the most important tips to conqeur LTC.. and i've seen almost no mention on it :
Don't drink any alcohol while taking MD's / Molly or with any stimulanteither in power,sniff, smoke or pill.
the Metabolite of Ethanol has potential dentrimental effect on speed of recovery.

Even light alcohol drinks could exubrate the Comedowns .

try it , and you'll see.

 

[Burkett]

This is one of the most important tips to conqeur LTC.. and i've seen almost no mention on it :
Don't drink any alcohol while taking MD's / Molly or with any stimulanteither in power,sniff, smoke or pill.
the Metabolite of Ethanol has potential dentrimental effect on speed of recovery.

Even light alcohol drinks could exubrate the Comedowns .

try it , and you'll see.

Yep that’s exactly what I did. Took adderall and alcohol. Bad idea.

 

[Burkett]

An update on the twitches - they went away once I stopped Remeron/Mirtazapine, an antidepressant I was on. Interesting, I think some people may be more prone to dystonias than others.