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MDMA + phet = ?

ordinary mind

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Planning a night of chatting/dancing/enthusiastically representing everything Theresa May's government stands against this Friday. Bought some phet with leftover bitcoins, and am wondering about comboing it with our MDMA. A look at past threads about this here on bluelight brings responses ranging from "it's much more euphoric, adds a bit of stimulation, great times all round, neurotoxic as fuck, shit comedown" to "pointless, detracts from the empathy, ruins your roll, neurotixic as fuck, shit comedown".

So, what's the verdict from the good people of EADD?
 
Not a fan of it, myself.

I get a pretty vicious comedown from speed anyway so it's only made worse by the combo.

If you've got a small amount of speed so that you're not going to binge for a couple of days afterwards, it's okay for me.
 
For what it's worth, I've had the combo more than once, and I'm still around to tell the tale -- though the jury probably isn't coming back in anytime soon on whether that was luck or judgement. I always started with a pill (this was back in the days of decent pills .....) and "re-"dosed with tiny dabs of speed if there was nothing better available.

They are both phenylethylamines, so there will be cross-tolerance. So don't take too much of either, because you'll be aiming at the same ceiling. More than that amount only prolongs the comedown; it does not increase the high.

For anyone else interested, the standard HR advice is as ever: Do not take any combination of drugs together unless you are familiar with each one in isolation.

Oh, yeah, and: PARTY THE FUCK ON! =D
 
Planning a night of chatting/dancing/enthusiastically representing everything Theresa May's government stands against this Friday. Bought some phet with leftover bitcoins, and am wondering about comboing it with our MDMA. A look at past threads about this here on bluelight brings responses ranging from "it's much more euphoric, adds a bit of stimulation, great times all round, neurotoxic as fuck, shit comedown" to "pointless, detracts from the empathy, ruins your roll, neurotixic as fuck, shit comedown".

So, what's the verdict from the good people of EADD?

IME, if your pills/MDMA are decent, you don't need anything else. But if you've got 'mongy' pills/MDMA, then a bit of phet can help get you moving. However, there's a fine line between having just enough phet to enhance the experience, and having too much so that it detracts from the empathy. I preferred to save my phet for the following few days to negate any comedown by reducing phet doses over that period - effectively tapering off...
 
Sounds like nobody's all that enthusiastic about the combo then. Would it work the other way round, ie. a bit of speed with some pints at the pub in the evening then MDMA at the club? Kinda like an appetiser before the main.... would be nice, but don't want to fill up on focaccia if its going to ruin my appetite for veal alla milanese
 
I always found that speed and alcohol was a bit of a waste, because the speed seemed to keep me from getting pissed from the alcohol. (It absolutely did not prevent any hangover effects, though .....) Probably fine if that's what you want, though .....

If you take the speed first, you will be setting a limit on the MDMA, due to the structural similarity between the drugs (MDMA = methylenedioxymethamphetamine = amphetamine with CH2O2 -- the methylenedioxy bit -- on the rump end of the benzene ring and CH3 -- the meth bit -- on the nitrogen). So if this is the order in which you plan to play it, don't go overboard at this stage. Unfortunately that's easier said than done; because (1) speed is more-ish, (2) alcohol is more-ish and (3) alcohol and speed together are even more more-ish. If you do manage to resist the temptation, then try to time taking the MDMA so it kicks in as the speed wears off. (See above about knowing your drugs before you mix them.)

Mind, with booze, speed and MDMA about in any combination, something fun is bound to happen ..... For some definition of "fun" .....
 
I always found that speed and alcohol was a bit of a waste, because the speed seemed to keep me from getting pissed from the alcohol. (It absolutely did not prevent any hangover effects, though .....) Probably fine if that's what you want, though .....

I dunno, I find a couple of drinks on speed can add an (admittedly minor) bit of fun fuzziness. Not planning drinking a whole load either way, but I'd be hard pressed to resist a couple of pints in the pub!

The "setting a limit" issue was sort of what I was afraid of though. Might aim to save the speed for later then, if at all.

Mind, with booze, speed and MDMA about in any combination, something fun is bound to happen ..... For some definition of "fun" .....

:D
 
I love the combo - sometimes I feel with MDMA that it needs that little bit of push behind it. If your not used to speed then start really low as if you take too much it can get a bit too pushy/edgy and make some people sketchy.

Be careful if your drinking alcohol as the speed will keep you feeling sober and drinking too much will increase the risks of a killer comedown.
 
I've found that speed can dampen the warmth and other unique characteristics of MDMA, and make it feel more like just a regular stimulant experience. However, (as mentioned) if you've got mongy MDMA, it can put a bit more of a spring in your step, and get you dancing. I'd suggest taking the MDMA, and then deciding if you need any extra stimulation, or saving it until you're starting to get tired and using it to keep you going. It's certainly not a shit combination, however it's done, but I'd definitely give the MDMA a chance, first.

Regarding speed and booze; I love the combo. The booze takes the edginess away from higher doses of speed, and even though it stops me getting pissed, there's still some synergy between them. It's pretty much been a daily thing for me, for a long time, on and off, and it's still an enjoyable experience, as long as I know when to stop. It's very easy to keep doing lines and drinking for a few days. As Julie said, if you hammer the booze, it'll leave you with a mighty hangover, more than likely whilst you're still wired, which is a bit of an ordeal. I've found that allowing the speed to wear off, and slowing your drinking down, until you're tired, helps prevent such a scenario.

If you're not reckless with speed, you shouldn't get much in the way of a comedown, except needing to catch up on sleep. I've found that a lot of people that say it gives them evil comedowns are the ones who've hammered loads of it at once. Everyone is different, however, so I'm not going to say that it's only those that overdo it that suffer. I get off very lightly, despite the fact I take rather a lot. I only really suffer when I run out, after taking it every day for weeks/months on end, as I end up in withdrawal, which lasts for a week or more. I do love the stuff, though!
 
Yeah, I'm thinking waiting to see where the MD gets me before considering the phet is probably the best course of action here. I've only rolled something like 3 times this year, so it very well may end up being enough on its own. If I do combo them, I'll be sure to dose low with the speed.

Cheers for the input everyone :)
 
I dunno, I find a couple of drinks on speed can add an (admittedly minor) bit of fun fuzziness. Not planning drinking a whole load either way, but I'd be hard pressed to resist a couple of pints in the pub!

The "setting a limit" issue was sort of what I was afraid of though. Might aim to save the speed for later then, if at all.



:D

A lot of my friends love drinking with stims (mainly coke) because it sort of rounds out the buzz without them ever getting too pissed.
 
Drinking on coke is mandatory, as it creates cocaethylene! I don't think I've ever done coke when I've not been drinking, because I want that superior third drug!
 
MDMA plus speed equals a truly horrific comedown which is not justified by the change in high at all. If you combine MDMA with Ket you're onto a proper winner though.
 
Agreed. I don't find a sensible amount of speed with MDMA really changes much in the way of the comedown.
 
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