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MDMA & MBDB - Experienced -Magic Once Lost has been Found

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i have been wanting to spend some good quality time with my wife and she has been wanting a break from her restless mind so we found some mdma...

we plugged one whole blue dolphin at 1am, and normally when we havent had a whole lot to eat during the day it kicks in in like 10-15minutes, but seeing as we had chinese and mexican i figured it was bc of that we didnt feel anything for an hour and a half, so we just popped the other pill we had then, and felt slight mdma feelings after an hour, but just weak, i guess due to our tolerance. and they felt pure, but just not that ooomph. so...............................................................

at almost 3 hours after pluggin the first pill i thought id break out the mbdb and goddamn was this a good fucking choice. it burnt alot last time when we snorted 50mg so we split it up and did 25mg each up the nose, id say about 1 minute later, this rush of euphoria came over me like i hadnt felt since my early times with X, same with my wife, WOW, the magic that was once lost was back. we felt fantastic and we talked about our issues and opened up like we had only when we first had done x together years and years.

what an incredible time we were having, just bonding and feeling so close to her, and her not carrying this baggage that normally barrs us from having normal conversations. no lessening in effects for like 2 hours which at that point i put 75mg mdmd into a gatorade and we split it. OMG again, i felt the euphoria going down my esophagus, instantly making me feel even better than before, WOW, fuckin wow. new experience for the both us, it was without a doubt the best time we have empathogenically(or entheogenically or whatever)had, and the best euphoria we have yet to experience, well next to AMT that is... we drove around in the vette smokin blunts, took a 2 hour bath together, never leaving her side the entire time. 2 hours after the last gatorade drink i eyed out what looked like the same amount as last time of mbdb added it to some more gatorade... wtf, i think ive come upon something so magnificent and glorious it needs to be shared to the world. so this euphoria and opening up lasted till about 10am when it just then started to fade, and fell asleep at 12pm, even then we felt great, but just sooooo tired so we had to go to sleep.

wow this was totally unexpected, mbdb has shown its true face to me. holy mother of god, is all ive been saying to people when they ask about it.

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wow!! i'll have to read up on this stuff. sounds fantastic! i'm glad you and your wife had such an amazing time!! :)
 
I'm glad you and your wife had a good time. I have never heard of this stuff before but it sounds like I need to research it. Thanks for the heads up.
 
MBDB is highly selective for 5ht (with some effect at NE).
So it could be that due to prior MDMA use, you now need a greater 5ht effect in comparison to DA and NE.

ebola
 
PHP: 
MBDB, or 3,4-methylenedioxy-alpha-ethyl-N-methylphenethylamine, is a lesser-known hallucinogenic phenethylamine. It is also known as "EDEN" or "Methyl-J." It is the alpha-ethyl analog of MDMA (Esctasy). It was first synthesized by David E. Nichols[citation needed], a leading pharmacologist and medicinal chemist, and later tested by Alexander Shulgin and written up in his book, PiHKAL (Phenethylamines i Have Known And Loved). MBDB's dosage, according to PiHKAL, is 180-210mg; the proper dosage relative to body mass seems unknown. Its duration is 4-6 hours, with noticeable after-effects lasting for 1-3 hours.
MBDB causes many mild, MDMA-like effects, such as lowering of social barriers and inhibitions, a pronounced sense of empathy and compassion, and mild happiness, euphoria, and enhanced emotions are all present. However, MBDB's effects are much less profound then those of MDMA. MBDB's effects tend to produce less euphoria, less psychedelia, and have less stimulative properties than MDMA does. [b]Many users declare that MBDB is a "watered-down" version of MDMA as MBDB loses action much more quickly, due to the milder effects, lack of a "rush," and its sedative effects.[/b] Despite these features which make MBDB less desirable as a 'recreational' drug, it has been suggested that the drug may have greater therapeutic potential than MDMA because of its decreased toxicity and lengthened duration.
Why go for the watered down version when you can go with the real thing? I wouldn't go for it. If I'm going to roll, I want a roll. Not a diminished version of a roll.
 
sounds like you guys had an amazing experience, which is what i love to hear!!

you guys should try to bring that closeness and openness to your everyday relationship, that's what i try to do, bring some of my ecstasy loving into my everyday living!
 
MBDB is not a weak facsimile of MDMA.
It has some attractive properties of its own, and it is confirmed non-neurotoxic.

ebola
 
MBDB, or 3,4-methylenedioxy-alpha-ethyl-N-methylphenethylamine, is a lesser-known hallucinogenic phenethylamine. It is also known as "EDEN" or "Methyl-J." It is the alpha-ethyl analog of MDMA (Esctasy). It was first synthesized by David E. Nichols[citation needed], a leading pharmacologist and medicinal chemist, and later tested by Alexander Shulgin and written up in his book, PiHKAL (Phenethylamines i Have Known And Loved). MBDB's dosage, according to PiHKAL, is 180-210mg; the proper dosage relative to body mass seems unknown. Its duration is 4-6 hours, with noticeable after-effects lasting for 1-3 hours.

MBDB was initially developed as a non-psychedelic empathogen. It has no effect on the dopamine system which makes it less stimulating and less toxic than MDMA. MBDB causes many mild, MDMA-like effects, such as lowering of social barriers and inhibitions, a pronounced sense of empathy and compassion, and mild happiness, euphoria, and enhanced emotions are all present. However, MBDB's effects are much less profound then those of MDMA. MBDB's effects tend to produce less euphoria, less psychedelia, and have less stimulative properties than MDMA does. Many users declare that MBDB is a "watered-down" version of MDMA as MBDB loses action much more quickly, due to the milder effects, lack of a "rush," and its sedative effects. Despite these features which make MBDB less desirable as a 'recreational' drug, it has been suggested that the drug may have greater therapeutic potential than MDMA because of its decreased toxicity and lengthened duration.

From wikipedia
 
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Are you sure?>>

Yes. MBDB is one of the few that has sufficient animal testing to demonstrate so. Pure 5ht releasers tend not to be neurotoxic. They would be neurotoxic if combined with a dopamine releaser though.

ebola
 
definitely not 100% non-neurotoxic, but this substance is amazing. our tolerance for tabs has gotten to the point where we couldnt get that magic anymore, and mbdb brought back exactly the magic mdma was missing. mbdb on its own is not very powerful or even that noticeable but combined this substance is very amazing. I just the other day combined this with only 5mg 2c-e and it felt like a good roll for 2 hours!! had all the good effects from tabs that id want plus a lil weirdness from the 2c-e, very nice and had an awesome time.
 
BK MBDB by itself is a pure stimulant with high adrenaline facility and dopamine effects.
 
>>[mbdb's] definitely not 100% non-neurotoxic>>

By which evidence? I wish that I had the study handy, but MBDB (taken alone) seems not to exert amphetamine-type neurotoxicity, nor does it induce MDA-type damage. . .

>>BK MBDB by itself is a pure stimulant with high adrenaline facility and dopamine effects.>>

bk-MBDB (aka butylone) seems to be very different from MBDB.

ebola
 
ebola? said:
>>[mbdb's] definitely not 100% non-neurotoxic>>

By which evidence? I wish that I had the study handy, but MBDB (taken alone) seems not to exert amphetamine-type neurotoxicity, nor does it induce MDA-type damage. . .

>>BK MBDB by itself is a pure stimulant with high adrenaline facility and dopamine effects.>>

bk-MBDB (aka butylone) seems to be very different from MBDB.

ebola
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i dont have any evidence except the fact that it leaves me a burnt out feeling like mdma when i redose alot but to a much lesser degree, which to me means, its not exactly non-harmful but damn near
 
I have a pill that contains 120 mg of MDMA, but also some 25 mg of MDEA. This is rumored to modulate the roll so that it feels qualitatively more intense, and in my experience there are more drugs that don't only augment an MDMA roll but rejuvinate the experience and bring back some magic. Recently I've been sampling 4-Fluoromethcathinone and while subtle and mild, even weak in effect it has some soothing magical character, like in a monster MDMA afterglow. bk-MBDB is more powerful but still lacks the push MDMA has. Meanwhile, as much as or more than MDMA it is very emotionally opening/flowing so the push has to be given by yourself, you have to consciously steer this flow because lack of attention results in pretty confusion, mixed alternatingly changing and overlapping emotions and feelings. I wonder if bk-MBDB will deepen the MDMA experience because of this while the MDMA supplies the push. That should be sweet! =D
 
i dont have any evidence except the fact that it leaves me a burnt out feeling like mdma when i redose alot but to a much lesser degree, which to me means, its not exactly non-harmful but damn near
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mmm...I don't think that subjective experience is a reliable indicator of neurotoxicity. It sounds like you experienced 5ht depletion, which won't be damaging in and of itself, assuming that concurrent conditions are 'friendly' (no overheating, no dopamine release) and that you take care of yourself afterwise.

ebola
 
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