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MDMA Induced depression UK

get depressed anyway with no MDMA. Had long periods off MDMA and still get depresses as much as I would on a come down. So it may happen anyway but I think MDMA does cause at least some of it.
 
Foreigner said:
This.

I was raving in the 90's and it wasn't until the 2000's when pure MDMA hit the scene that I noticed the difference. Found out then that I had been partly doing speed for all those raving years. Though I wasn't a weekly user.
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Pure mdma in capsules (red colour) were deffo available a few years before the 2000's....
 
Im not a strong believer in MDMA inducing depression in people that aren't polydrug users and don't have any underlying issues, when polydrug use was ruled out the studys ive seen found no evidence of long term issues, structurally mdma does induce detectable changes in the brain.

That said MDMA caused some issues for me but only after I triggered a underlying mental health condition which mdma made worse.
 
Superdollar said:
I believe that many of the problems stem from ecstasy use in Britain and Ireland being the preserve of a less-educated demographic. Certainly the culture around the drug (the repetitive music, the sportswear, the crude language - 'mongy', 'top one', 'mullered' etc.) and its status as an extension and adjunct of the lager culture and the surrounding machismo leads to problematic (ab)use being more prevalent. Often, this is compounded by the taboo surrounding depression in the users' culture, making all the ingredients for a perfect storm.
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I know he's gone again but such class prejudice and snobbery from someone who talks about proletariat and revolutions. As someone with extensive experience of the 80s-90s 'rave' culture from the helter skelter-type commercial end through to the free party scene (a pretty revolutionary thing in itself), i'd have to say the amount of really interesting and intelligent people i met in both of all social backgrounds tells a different story. In my view the drugs had a positive effect, individually and collectively: many of the people involved changed their lives in positive ways, becoming more creative and more tolerant (certainly in comparison to if they'd have stayed in a 'lager culture'). If you didn't actually take part in this culture you can't tell me that this wasn't the case.

(i know i shouldn't bother)

As to the OP: i don't think there's a particular link between MDMA and long term depression - in my experience, i battered mdma lots in the past and have never had depression (i've certainly had a little taster from the comedowns though) - the comedowns could be a trigger for a longer term depression i suppose, but so could a relationship breakup; Heavy use could maybe cause some physical damage that may cause depression, but that goes for anything really.
 
JG0007 said:
get depressed anyway with no MDMA. Had long periods off MDMA and still get depresses as much as I would on a come down. So it may happen anyway but I think MDMA does cause at least some of it.
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Sorry to quote myself but just to add to that I took the "sensible" approach in the past - May as well get mashed every now and then because you will be depressed anyway.
 
It's worth remembering that substance misuse has a massive comorbidity rate with mental illness - those in the throes of crippling depression are far more likely to take a pill that for a few hours will take all the pain away.
Add in (hypo)manic tendencies and it gets much, much worse.
 
Sprout said:
An awful lot of users in the 90's mixed with massive doses of Amphetamine Sulphate which at that point in time was highly pure at the street level.
Mixing the two at large doses every weekend for years on end is like sticking a neurotoxic dick squarely into your brain and having it ejaculate on your hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.
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Just seen this - since when was 90s speed 'highly pure'? Apart from one rogue batch of fuckin amazing shit around 1993, it was generally as wank as it is now.. (In my humble opinion at least)
 
Given I was but a spermatophore at that point I have to rely on second hand information - the importation purity was wayyyyy higher than street level and so I guess connections mean everything. ;)
 
The thing is that for a first timer back then a gram of even shit speed will hit pretty hard so they have nothing to compare it to. 1000mg of pure amphetamine sulphate would kill most people without a doubt.
 
Sprout said:
Given I was but a spermatophore at that point I have to rely on second hand information - the importation purity was wayyyyy higher than street level and so I guess connections mean everything. ;)
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Yeh, connections do mean everything. For me, the speed scene was completely ruined by the 80s influx of cheap no.3 smack. All the speedfreaks round my way succumbed eventually (myself included), paving the way for kiddy ravers to be necking several grammes of 'banging' wizz (glucose) on top of their pills...
 
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