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MDMA -- Experienced -- Overdose and a trip to the hospital

PassMeTheVicks

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What I did was very stupid and careless. I blame myself for what happend to me and to some extent I feel I deserved what happend, although I now regret it. I think to get the best background on me, would be reading Alex's report in the Addiction+Habituation section of Erowids MDMA trip reports. In short, I had been engulfed by a depression/tolerance/addiction to these wonderful yet danegrous beans. A shitty night out would be 4 pills, and a good one would be in the area of 7+.
11:00pm -I had rolled on the previous friday and saturday on a total of 8 beans for both days, as well as average amounts of AMT that same weekend. It was now a Tuesday, and i had just purchased a 50pack to make a little bit of bread. I also happend to be in that shitty mid-week mood that high-dose weekends put me in. So I decide in trying out my new batch and drop 2 Rolexes and start watching Blue Streak on VHS. The come up was quick but quite soft, and the rolls never seemed to reach a peak. After about 1.25hrs after dropping, I could concentrate and make the roll go completely away. I got kinda sketchy about the potency of the beans, and kinda got pissed at my hook up. So I decided to drop another 2 of a different kind (red VW's). These came on a little stronger and actually got me started. So Im all happy and shit, so I decided to make the first 2 beans worth the $ (stupid move #1), and I dropped another 2 red VWs shortly after the second dosage. Boom, at this point im on 6 beans, and rolling pretty hard, home alone, goin all crazy on the livin room couch massaging my self, u know the deal. After that peak started to wear off, I irresponsibly went and dropped another 4 more at a time, in search for that same level of peak. At which never came back up like the previous one. At this point my brain had flushed out all the possible serotonin available. And those 4 beans (dose #3) never came up quite as hard as the second dosing.
Here's where I really fucked up (and I suspect it was quite suicidal, which I have come to realize i actually tried to kill myself, as I repeated myself over and over "I hate myself" in a joking manner as I went for 4 more beans)I ate 4 more beans at a time... At this point I had eaten 16 beans and it was 5:15am. None of my room mate where home yet, and I was still in the quest for that intense peak the second dose gave me.
An hour after that last dose, the beans never came up. Just like the 3rd dose, although I was rolling. Here's where it got scary. You know that smell the air has when someone makes you breathe 10 times as hard as you can and then they press your enck veins real hard until you pass out and trip balls for 10 seconds? Well thats how it smelled, but it was a constant thing and felt kinda cool for the first 2 minutes, similar hallucinations accompanied. But as it wouldnt go away i got kinda scared. Sections of my body and face would sporadically go numb(similar to ether), and felt tingly sensations all over, predominantly on my left side of my body. As well as racing heartbeat. The more I breathed, the higher I got, and the more numb and the more I would hallucinate. I would see black spots and black wires floating in the air.
I went to the bathroom as the alarm bells were goin off in my head. I tried to sober myself up as hard as I could, but the damage was done, and it would not go away. I tried to rub this nasty feeling off of my scalp, off of me, out of me, by drinink water and pissing. But it was obvious, the drug was in me and there was nothing i could do now. In the reflection of the bathroom mirror, I saw the devil himself (in the reflection of myself) taking me down to hell with him, as the last thing I did before I died, was sin in the activity of such a forbidden and selfish pleasure such as rolling, and rolling alone just for the sake of feelind pleasure.
I go to my bedroom and sit on my bed, trying to set a CD in my small CD/clock radio. My motor skills were clumsy as hell, blotches of my view would dissapear as if spots in my sensory system were just not there to capture the information entering my CNS. As well as time distortion, represented by split second lapses where my "existence" ceased to exist (so my brain thought, as it couldnt figure out a way to account for those lapses, I suspect this was a cognitive problem)... thats when I said 'oh, shit" and actually convinced myself I was struggling to stay alive and not give up to death. No matter how much I tried to keep my eyes open, it wasnt a matter of seeing, it was a matter of being aware of sensory input and control of awakened conciousness. I couldnt decide whether to ignore this shit was happening and just let destiny take care of my life (after all, i still wanted to just get away from the shitty life I was going thru) But remembering what I saw in the mirror about the devil, thats when I went to my female roommate, who happend to come in at about 6:30am from partying (thank you God!)... It was hard to speak, and was able to construct the sentence "soemthings wrong, i need to see a doctor". She knew i was rolling as she saw me rolling in the living room when she came in. She knew I wasnt playing around. She took me to the nearest hospital, where it took us about 30min to get there plus another 30 minutes of waiting and walking from the time we found parking. My left side was weaker and as we walked to the ER. Walking was weird, my left foot would just -fall in place. It was like a semi-dead leg. Kinda like having the calf portion on the leg below the knee being a prosthetic leg. This detail had me extremely worried and I was hoping I didnt end up paralyzed for good. After the nurse saw me and everything, they gave me their full attention and put me in an ER room, hooked up to a sodium IV and put damp towels all over me. I had a mild fever. They asked me if I had mixed any K, coke, whatever. I said no, since I hadn't. The docs were very worried and beleived I had had a stroke. All kinds of blood tests were done and I was seen by several doctors.
After about 6 hours, I had gone thru a CAT scan who according to them came back "OK", (i suspected they wanted to discharge me when I said I had NO MED Insurance)... but my left side hadnt recovered completely by 4pm that next day, so they took me to the MRI scan. I felt alot safer knowing I would leave the hospital with MRI records, as opposed to a CAT scan alone. Supposedly MRI came back OK, I left the hospital 3 days later, after being seen by neurologists, the heart people, etc.
I am now fully recovered, I finally confesed to my mom about the incident, I told her I had done it once before, and that I did it again only to kill myself (which in part is true, she really doesnt need to know about the MDMA induced depression). The following days, I would very rarely, but still sometiems feel my middle and index finger on my left hand get warmer. And blotches of my skin in the left side of my scalp and neck felt kinda numbed out (similar to when u place ice on your skin for a while, but without the coldness). Now im all ok, very grateful to God, trying to find better friends and trying to get away from the whole scene, although its not as easy. I havent done any drugs, and im dying to smoke some weed atleast.
My final words to those people who are habituated to beans: if you just become careless about what happens and choose to just die rolling, its a scary ride and Id go for some other method, if any at all. The battle I had with death was not a fun one. I had a foot in the doorstep and its not a place id like anyone to experience. For those who are newbies at the drug, take this advice seriously: habituation DOES IN FACT lead to depression, think about it. You are dealing with neurotransmitters that are in charge with your mood, for which meds like Prozac are mad for! Its real, i didnt take it too seriously, and found myself rolling to combat the depression, which of course followed by another depression. It becomes a cycle. Be careful everyone!
Taz-
Special thanks to the ER crew, and also to our wonderful God.
[Edit: I changed the original title (**-MDMA overdose-** WARNING sings) so it would fit forum guidelines and be more descriptive. -C22]
[ 19 May 2002: Message edited by: Catch-22 ]
 
Riiiight.. well apart from the unnecessary trip to hospital it sounds like you had a fairly standard high-dose MDMA roll. Don't you just love it? Here's to the next one!
clop
 
Sorry to hear about the trip to the emergency room, but glad to know you are doing much better. Thanks for posting about your experience! Maybe others can take this as a warning sign.
[ 19 May 2002: Message edited by: Catch-22 ]
 
Originally posted by masheadatronic:
Excessive is a matter of opinion.
just b/c he didn't have enough pills to kill himself doesn't mean he didn't overdose. Dropping 16 pills IMO is insane and it has to relate to e-pression and the cycle it creates. Like PassMeTheVicks said - he was trying to search for the orginal peak. anyway, good report.
 
Hmm, well as you said, it was a pretty stupid thing to do, but I'm glad you're okay now.
Oh and "Special thanks to the ER crew, and also to our wonderful God."
Try YOUR God, I don't have a God. =]
 
Damn man sure it wasn't smart - but I can relate to trying to get the peak back, especially once you're already dosed (im not talking about only mdxx)
Ayrios: Hehe I know aint it a bitch? I'm a materialist and could care less, but really I just want to be LEFT ALONE!!!
Anyone ever read "At Least in Hell the Christians Won't Harrass me?" I don't agree with the whole book but some arguments are pretty dead on.
 
You must have a lot of cash to waste if you're dropping 8 pills each night. You need to find a new, cheaper hobby.
 
Well said sonar. A lot of people need to know the deference between use and abuse.
Sorry to hear of your experience passmethevicks and im glad you pulled through it.
 
Thankyou for sharing your experience and feelings with us. This is a detailed and eloquent post and I wish you best of luck in your efforts to escape the scene.
I know how hard it is, maybe try and find some other things you enjoy and fill up your time with them, or revive some interests you had b4 starting partying, which will bring you back to your real self. It seems really dull at first but I promise rewards will come.
I'm really glad you are OK and I value your contributions at bluelight :) Take care of yourself and remember, beauty and enjoyment can be found naturally, you just have to look a bit harder.
:-)
 
Actually the trip to the hospital was very necessary. Sixteen CAN kill, regardless of tolerance. There is a situation in which the fluid of the brain pushes it down onto the spinal cord and creates a serious situation, sometimes lethal.
Resistance to the chemical high is not an accurate indicator of resistance to the side effects. That much MDMA in such a short time can also lead to some hydration issues, which it did (going numb is a circulatory problem that was probably caused by hydration problems)...don't forget that MDMA diminishes the kidneys' ability to pass water, and in excess water becomes toxic very quickly. Another potentially lethal situation.
The trip wasn't the unnecessary part--the last ten pills were.
Glad you are ok.
Incidentally, if you want to intensify your roll, as I have posted previously, simply take 800-1600 milligrams of piracetam before you drop. Works like a charm.
[ 31 May 2002: Message edited by: synchrojet ]
 
It really dismays me that some one I've seen posting on here for so long fell into such a self-destructive pattern.
I had assumed that the people who roll twice a week or more, and get up to taking 4 or more pills just so they can peak, are people who know nothing about rolling and are not regulars on this site (since such people KNOW enough to know both WHY and HOW they should avoid this course of action).
But to have access to all that Bluelight offers (and Erowid) and to still allow this to happen...well, I just don't get it. You KNOW that rolls are less special the more you do. You KNOW that trying to roll even once a week, let alone more than once a week, over the long term is seriously detrimental to your health. You KNOW that if you just wait a 2 - 6 weeks between rolls, you can have that great roll every time without taking a million pills. You KNOW that there are other drugs out there you can enjoy in the meantime, if you do want to avoid sobriety.
Haven't all bluelighters on here read, ad nauseam, posts from some greenlighter saying "i've been rolling every week for 4 months and now I have nightmares every night, what should I do?" And you KNOW, from having read it a million times, that the answer--posted over and over--is that you can't safely roll that often.
How can anyone with any sense and with all this knowledge possibly fall into the habit of trying to get rid of e-pression by rolling?
What the hell is this site (and erowid) accomplishing if some one can be a regular on here and still fuck themselves up like this? Is this an aberration or are we just fooling ourselves in thinking people on here take any of this seriously?
Maybe the suicide thing is the answer. Frankly, the only way I can rationalize a bluelighter regularly rolling twice a week, week after week, is that the person IS trying to commit suicide. But the suicide was not this particular night of taking 16 pills. The suicide started when a bluelighter, who supposedly has all this knowledge, chose to roll so often in the first place.
Sorry if this seems judgmental, I am just very disappointed. But thanks for the report and best wishes.
~psychoblast~
 
why do u eat up 16 rollz ??? if u wanted a stronger roll wouldnt it have jus been best to smoke a blunt with it? it intensifies it automatically from what ive experienced / heard . oh well i guess, people learn from their mistakes and from how u make it sound it musta been one of those steps in life that comes after a long haul with bean abusing.im glad you have a diffrent outlook in things now, x is a beautiful thing until its taken to that other level . keep it greazy weazay
 
mashead testing said:
....and theres me thinking you had taken 6 grams of mdma.
Overdose? I dont think so.
You're not referring to the "overdose" quantity, you're referencing the LD50. This is the dosage at which 50 percent of the test subjects die. This also means that slightly less then 50% of the test subjects will die at points less than 6 grams of MDMA. It depends on the test subject.

An overdose is where a quantity of a substance is taken beyond the level of benefit, and where the substance begins to adversely interfere with function. That can occur at a far lower dosage then the certified LD50 of MDMA.

Biological damage does not require a lethal dosage. And the point at which damage can occur is far below the LD50, and depends on the tolerance of the specific individual. Still further, individuals with a sensitivity may even experience an overdose where those without a sensitivity would not.

Example: someone with a sensitivity to peanut butter may die as a result of eating one peanut butter sandwich. This is effectively an overdose.
mashead testing said:
Excessive is a matter of opinion.
In this case, opinions are meaningless. PassMeTheVicks wisely went to the emergency room, and ended up with a 3 day hospital stay. And even continued to experience adverse effects from his overdose for a length of time after being released from the hospital.

No matter what your opinion, PassMeTheVicks was in a medical crisis as a result of the high dosage that he took. No amount of "opinions" will change that fact. 8)
 
Rolling every week may not be clever, but like taking base every week-

It is unavoidable. (and has been for nine months.)
 
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