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mapleleaf

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ok im the type of person that loves to analyze things, anything and all things in the world. i also love to create theories... and i have this theory on tripping. i have read many trip reports on people on psychedelics having visions of god, and even experiencing conversations with god. my theory is that it is possible that when people are with god while tripping its not just in their head, they actaually are experiencing god. the reason i think this is because when people are sober they are so close minded to any possibility that god may want to talk to them. but when theyre tripping hard theyre mind is opened to anything and god is able to reach them. tell me what you guys think about this.
 
no offense. and this may seem very narrowminded of me to say this and all. but if there really is a god i somehow don't think taking drugs will open your mind to be able to see him at all. i know, i know i have read alot of trip reports and how people have hallucinated visions that resemble god. but it is a known fact that drugs alter your brain chemistry and skew the 'normal' perception on things. when one's brain chemistry is of an unbalanced state they have a tendencey to see things that do not exist. well, thats my take on it anyways... but of course, i could be wrong. the simple answer is this is something noone will ever know. at-least for a long time anyways.

i hope i made sense.
 
Maybe not so much God, but alternate dimensions? I once had an idea that our brains were merely a proxy, a communication 'step' in-between our senses and some almighty feat of space-time that allows us to percieve things on a higher level than, say, a computer.

If substances could alter this communication, perhaps we would experience a different 'place'/plane of reality/etc as our thoughts are 'routed' to a different location?

Just my 2c on a hypothesis I made up once to explain our inability to comprehend how the brain really 'works'.
 
psychedelics give humans perceptual powers by turning the dial of conciousness, i've experienced God on psychedelics and i am 100% sure it was the same God that is referred to in religious scriptures and spiritual teachings. the descriptions match my own experience and the ideas about existance i drew based on that experience match the ideas of most spiritual teachings.
 
Yes i believe this to an extent, drugs can open up peoples minds to other things and perhaps this is one of them.

I've had a religious experience on LSD before, saw Jesus' face from a light above me while i was staring at the ceiling but it was like the ceiling opened up, when it was over i jumped up staring into space saying " there really is a God", i've never forgot that experience with LSD before.
 
If you feel that you have experienced a god through psychedelics, then what does it matter if it is actually real or not? If the experience felt genuine, and it means something to you, then it is real to you, regardless if a god actually exists or not.
 
>>no offense. and this may seem very narrowminded of me to say this and all. but if there really is a god i somehow don't think taking drugs will open your mind to be able to see him at all. i know, i know i have read alot of trip reports and how people have hallucinated visions that resemble god. but it is a known fact that drugs alter your brain chemistry and skew the 'normal' perception on things. when one's brain chemistry is of an unbalanced state they have a tendencey to see things that do not exist. well, thats my take on it anyways... but of course, i could be wrong. the simple answer is this is something noone will ever know. at-least for a long time anyways.>>

why is our endogenous neurochemistry "balanced"?

ebola
 
Indelibleface said:
If you feel that you have experienced a god through psychedelics, then what does it matter if it is actually real or not? If the experience felt genuine, and it means something to you, then it is real to you, regardless if a god actually exists or not.
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It was real and did feel genuine.

It's very hard to explain something that happened while under the infulence of LSD as some of you may know.
 
mapleleaf said:
my theory is that it is possible that when people are with god while tripping its not just in their head, they actaually are experiencing god.
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Serious ? I thought this whole divine extatic union with god stuff was just a fairy tale in my head that keeps reoccuring.
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but if there really is a god i somehow don't think taking drugs will open your mind to be able to see him at all.

i know, i know i have read alot of trip reports and how people have hallucinated visions that resemble god. but it is a known fact that drugs alter your brain chemistry and skew the 'normal' perception on things.

when one's brain chemistry is of an unbalanced state they have a tendencey to see things that do not exist
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how about "they have a tendency to see things that exist but that they usually can't see"

yes, psychedelics change your perception, they widen or it

but people can still interpret differently the same "revelations"

i've felt universal consciousness on psychedelics
a christian undergoing the same experience would have looked where god could fit in and would have thought "this is unbelievable, it links to everyone, it encompasses the whole universe, it must be god. i've seen god"
 
ticktock said:
no offense. and this may seem very narrowminded of me to say this and all. but if there really is a god i somehow don't think taking drugs will open your mind to be able to see him at all. i know, i know i have read alot of trip reports and how people have hallucinated visions that resemble god. but it is a known fact that drugs alter your brain chemistry and skew the 'normal' perception on things. when one's brain chemistry is of an unbalanced state they have a tendencey to see things that do not exist. well, thats my take on it anyways... but of course, i could be wrong. the simple answer is this is something noone will ever know. at-least for a long time anyways.

i hope i made sense.
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It sounds to me, like you're going by the typical propaganda point of view on psychedelics, which was fed to you by the media.

And what makes you think we will never know? Those of us who experienced it, know. Those who haven't, and think they never will, never will. At least for a long time.

I get what you're saying Vegan. Sometimes, when some of us experience ego loss, we come to realization, that we are all parts of one consciousness, which is of universal scale. It literally is everything. Seems to fit the description of god.
 
[q]It sounds to me, like you're going by the typical propaganda point of view on psychedelics, which was fed to you by the media.

And what makes you think we will never know? Those of us who experienced it, know. Those who haven't, and think they never will, never will. At least for a long time.

I get what you're saying Vegan. Sometimes, when some of us experience ego loss, we come to realization, that we are all parts of one consciousness, which is of universal scale. It literally is everything. Seems to fit the description of god.[/q]

actually i myself have experienced psychedelics and i never saw god or anything that closely resembles god, if anything it made me out of touch with myself and amplified all of my mental problems. so i guess in a way, you could say it made me saw demons.
most people i know who have used psychedelics to get 'closer to god' end up getting more disillusioned later on down the track and wake up to themselves and accept that drugs do not bring you closer to god.
meditation yes. helping other people, yes. living a successfull and meainingful life, yes. but taking drugs, no.
 
meditation yes. helping other people, yes. living a successfull and meainingful life, yes. but taking drugs, no.
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what doesn't work for you may very well work for others

actually i myself have experienced psychedelics
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not all psychedelic experiences teach you something
it depends a lot, among other things, on your state of mind and on the dose

if you just take a blotter to go party on saturday night, there's a good chance you'll be too busy laughing and dancing to think about anything deep
if you stay on your own and take a high dose of psychedelics with the intention of learning something, there's better chances that you will

i don't know what relation you have with psychedelics, but to take a big shortcut : if you're not impressed, take more. at some point you will understand what we're talking about
 
ticktock said:
actually i myself have experienced psychedelics and i never saw god or anything that closely resembles god, if anything it made me out of touch with myself and amplified all of my mental problems. so i guess in a way, you could say it made me saw demons.
most people i know who have used psychedelics to get 'closer to god' end up getting more disillusioned later on down the track and wake up to themselves and accept that drugs do not bring you closer to god.
meditation yes. helping other people, yes. living a successfull and meainingful life, yes. but taking drugs, no.
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So what that you personaly havn't expereinced it. Many people play a sport all their life, and they never make it to the international team. Same deal. If it made you out of touch, and see demons, you mustn't have had enough love in your heart to rise above. If your friends got eaten by fear on their path, that's just them, everyone is programed differently, and will respond differently.

Meditation, yes.
Helping other people, yes.
Living a successfull and meaningful life, yes.
Taking sacraments. FUCK YES.

Love & Light to you all.
 
ticktock said:
no offense. and this may seem very narrowminded of me to say this and all. but if there really is a god i somehow don't think taking drugs will open your mind to be able to see him at all. i know, i know i have read alot of trip reports and how people have hallucinated visions that resemble god. but it is a known fact that drugs alter your brain chemistry and skew the 'normal' perception on things. when one's brain chemistry is of an unbalanced state they have a tendencey to see things that do not exist. well, thats my take on it anyways... but of course, i could be wrong. the simple answer is this is something noone will ever know. at-least for a long time anyways.

i hope i made sense.
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At the same time, what does brain chemistry have to do with seeing God? "Right" or "wrong" brain chemistry, we can see things which do not exist. My very logon name to this forum is but one simple example.

For that matter, what does the brain have to do with it? If God is simply a matter of the "right" brain chemistry, then what happens when our biochemical brain animation stops and we give up the ghost? If any change in brain chemistry effects our ability to perceive, then that is/will be the ultimate change in brain chemistry.

I know what you are getting at, but in light of the effect that death has on brain chemistry, it doesn't hold much water.
 
You talk to god on drugs because you believe in god. You are talking to your intoxicated brain, not god.

I for one am exactly the opposite. I find psychedelics (my limited experiences) help me conceptualise the materialistic universal view point much better than when sober.
 
god most likely is not abeing to converse with, and taking drugs would not make him want to talk to you, there is no reasoning behind your post. sorry
 
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