ThingsThatAlsoFly
Greenlighter
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Hello dopers! I'm new to Bluelight, been creeping around the forums for a long time, but never registered and posted. Just posted this on the Shroomery about an hour ago, someone suggested I post it here as well:
So, my father has mentioned to me several times that back in the '70s "match head tea" or "pure THC" was available on the street. It could be taken orally, snorted, sprinkled on a joint, etc. It was an amber color, and had the consistency of brown suger (clumped easily.) Another old dude I know mentioned it once, but his brain is really too scrambled to get an accurate description. Now, I have read TONS of threads on the subject of snortable THC, as I'm sure many of you have. A substantial number of old heads remember getting "pure THC" or "T", and describe the same qualities my dad does. However, as we all know, and as many people on these forums mentioned, this is chemically impossible, right?
So far, many guesses have been made online as to what this substance was. Most people who never tried or heard of it remained adamant that it couldn't possibly be pure THC, or ANY form of cannabis extract due to it being active by snorting. I have heard suggestions ranging from PCP, to Heroin, to some sort of early synthetic cannabinoid. However, my dad, as well as all the old heads online, were poly-drug users. They had experimented with a wide range of drugs, and could confidently say this was some sort of weed. The effects were practically the same as some of the high quality sativa buds they had smoked. The duration of effects when snorted or taken orally wasn't extremely different, supposedly, than that of eating pot edibles. From what my dad said, a pinch a little bigger than a match head produced the same level of high as smoking an average joint or two of bud. Thus the name, match head tea.
Whatever it was, it was definitely a cannabinoid receptor agonist. This led me to believe those suggesting synthetic cannabinoids might be correct. Even though "Spice" or "K2" have only been on the market for a decade or so, some of the chemicals they contain have been around longer. Was it possible that some clandestine chemist was producing 'noids back in the '70s? Unlikely, but possible. After questioning my dad further, though, I'm convinced this wasn't the case. Most synthetic cannabinoids (from what I understand) are full agonists at the cb1 and cb2 receptors, and can produce harmful, potentially fatal effects when taken in high doses. The stuff that was available here in the '70s could be taken in large amounts without ill effect. And, like THC, even as you ingested more, you could only really get so high; indicating to me that the substance was only a partial agonist.
A few years ago, I learned a bit about certain THC esters and derivatives that are fairly easily created using isomerized cannabis oil. These esters are reported to be MUCH stronger and more psychedelic than THC itself. They are also reported to be very water-soluble, and can be introduced to the body intravenously, rectally, and orally. There are several threads discussing this, the one from rollitup.org is the most helpful:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6895942#6895942
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5830539#5830539
http://www.rollitup.org/t/converting-thc-to-its-acetate-makes-it-psychedelic.321275/
I was excited to hear this, because I had yet to hear of any sort of water-soluble THC derivative. Also, the involvement of isomerization told me I was on the right track. My dad had been informed by his "Match Head Tea" connect back in the day, that a machine known as the Isomizer was involved in it's creation. Though they are rare nowadays, I have seen a few of these machines. From my understanding, the isomizer was first marketed as an incense maker, probably under a different name. High Times magazine ran advertisements describing the isomizer as a "hash machine." It uses grain alcohol to extract hash oil and doubles as a reflux condenser(?) for the isomerization process, which uses sulfuric acid. Not long after they were advertised as being used for illicit purposes, they were banned.
Though isomerization isn't absolutely necessary to create THC esters, it helped me make the connection to my dads stories. THC acetate produces stronger effects with a longer duration, and is highly water soluble. Other than the consistency, this matched the old heads' descriptions. Also, I read on one thread that in the 1970s the DEA found THC acetate being sold on the streets in the US, as well as in some other country, New Zealand I believe. There was still one issue, though. How the hell would one be able to "snort" a viscous oil? I back tracked to a theory proposed previously by others, that this substance may have been THCA bound to some sort of lipid powder(butter powder, fish powder, etc.) but this mixture, even if active, couldn't possibly have the intense effects described with doses as small as a match head.
I'd basically given up on the search until recently. As we all know, very pure hash oil/cannabis concentrates have become increasingly popular in the past decade or so. Now referred to by many as "dabs," it's hard to find a cannabis user who hasn't used, or at least been made aware of hash oil and the newer techniques used to consume it (dome/nail, domeless nail, oil pens.) I myself have become sort of spoiled on the stuff, honestly. Now, I'd heard of "Shatter", but never quite understood what it was. Most of the oil I've ever encountered has been a light brown to golden goo. Even after seeing pictures of "shatter" I assumed it to be the consistency of a starburst candy. A few nights back, I came across some that might as well have been glass. I was amazed. Then, I read a little on vacuum purging oil and I saw this:
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/bho-powder.53760/
Check out post #8
My understanding of chemistry is limited. I took basic chemistry classes in high school, and have learned quite a bit from drug-related forums since then, but i'm no expert. My thinking is that THC-Acetate vaccum purged into shatter and pulverized will finally provide us with a powerful snortable cannabis. Is this what people were snorting back in the 70s? Either way, do you think it would be worth experimentation? The main question here is can THC acetate be cold vacuum purged into shatter, then powdered. And afterwards, will it need to always be cold to remain powdered?
:rail:
So, my father has mentioned to me several times that back in the '70s "match head tea" or "pure THC" was available on the street. It could be taken orally, snorted, sprinkled on a joint, etc. It was an amber color, and had the consistency of brown suger (clumped easily.) Another old dude I know mentioned it once, but his brain is really too scrambled to get an accurate description. Now, I have read TONS of threads on the subject of snortable THC, as I'm sure many of you have. A substantial number of old heads remember getting "pure THC" or "T", and describe the same qualities my dad does. However, as we all know, and as many people on these forums mentioned, this is chemically impossible, right?
So far, many guesses have been made online as to what this substance was. Most people who never tried or heard of it remained adamant that it couldn't possibly be pure THC, or ANY form of cannabis extract due to it being active by snorting. I have heard suggestions ranging from PCP, to Heroin, to some sort of early synthetic cannabinoid. However, my dad, as well as all the old heads online, were poly-drug users. They had experimented with a wide range of drugs, and could confidently say this was some sort of weed. The effects were practically the same as some of the high quality sativa buds they had smoked. The duration of effects when snorted or taken orally wasn't extremely different, supposedly, than that of eating pot edibles. From what my dad said, a pinch a little bigger than a match head produced the same level of high as smoking an average joint or two of bud. Thus the name, match head tea.
Whatever it was, it was definitely a cannabinoid receptor agonist. This led me to believe those suggesting synthetic cannabinoids might be correct. Even though "Spice" or "K2" have only been on the market for a decade or so, some of the chemicals they contain have been around longer. Was it possible that some clandestine chemist was producing 'noids back in the '70s? Unlikely, but possible. After questioning my dad further, though, I'm convinced this wasn't the case. Most synthetic cannabinoids (from what I understand) are full agonists at the cb1 and cb2 receptors, and can produce harmful, potentially fatal effects when taken in high doses. The stuff that was available here in the '70s could be taken in large amounts without ill effect. And, like THC, even as you ingested more, you could only really get so high; indicating to me that the substance was only a partial agonist.
A few years ago, I learned a bit about certain THC esters and derivatives that are fairly easily created using isomerized cannabis oil. These esters are reported to be MUCH stronger and more psychedelic than THC itself. They are also reported to be very water-soluble, and can be introduced to the body intravenously, rectally, and orally. There are several threads discussing this, the one from rollitup.org is the most helpful:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6895942#6895942
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5830539#5830539
http://www.rollitup.org/t/converting-thc-to-its-acetate-makes-it-psychedelic.321275/
I was excited to hear this, because I had yet to hear of any sort of water-soluble THC derivative. Also, the involvement of isomerization told me I was on the right track. My dad had been informed by his "Match Head Tea" connect back in the day, that a machine known as the Isomizer was involved in it's creation. Though they are rare nowadays, I have seen a few of these machines. From my understanding, the isomizer was first marketed as an incense maker, probably under a different name. High Times magazine ran advertisements describing the isomizer as a "hash machine." It uses grain alcohol to extract hash oil and doubles as a reflux condenser(?) for the isomerization process, which uses sulfuric acid. Not long after they were advertised as being used for illicit purposes, they were banned.
Though isomerization isn't absolutely necessary to create THC esters, it helped me make the connection to my dads stories. THC acetate produces stronger effects with a longer duration, and is highly water soluble. Other than the consistency, this matched the old heads' descriptions. Also, I read on one thread that in the 1970s the DEA found THC acetate being sold on the streets in the US, as well as in some other country, New Zealand I believe. There was still one issue, though. How the hell would one be able to "snort" a viscous oil? I back tracked to a theory proposed previously by others, that this substance may have been THCA bound to some sort of lipid powder(butter powder, fish powder, etc.) but this mixture, even if active, couldn't possibly have the intense effects described with doses as small as a match head.
I'd basically given up on the search until recently. As we all know, very pure hash oil/cannabis concentrates have become increasingly popular in the past decade or so. Now referred to by many as "dabs," it's hard to find a cannabis user who hasn't used, or at least been made aware of hash oil and the newer techniques used to consume it (dome/nail, domeless nail, oil pens.) I myself have become sort of spoiled on the stuff, honestly. Now, I'd heard of "Shatter", but never quite understood what it was. Most of the oil I've ever encountered has been a light brown to golden goo. Even after seeing pictures of "shatter" I assumed it to be the consistency of a starburst candy. A few nights back, I came across some that might as well have been glass. I was amazed. Then, I read a little on vacuum purging oil and I saw this:
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/bho-powder.53760/
Check out post #8
My understanding of chemistry is limited. I took basic chemistry classes in high school, and have learned quite a bit from drug-related forums since then, but i'm no expert. My thinking is that THC-Acetate vaccum purged into shatter and pulverized will finally provide us with a powerful snortable cannabis. Is this what people were snorting back in the 70s? Either way, do you think it would be worth experimentation? The main question here is can THC acetate be cold vacuum purged into shatter, then powdered. And afterwards, will it need to always be cold to remain powdered?
:rail:
you do it and I’ll do it lol. I’ll probably dry RSO to its most dehydrated point, then freeze and try to scrape into a powder.