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Master list - Plants that act like SSRIs and MAOIs

wingnutlives

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Hey, I thought it would be a cool idea to start a master list of herbal, plant, and maybe some prescription drugs that act like SSRIs and MAOIs. This is useful in several ways - for one thing, it can be a good warning for people on SSRIs to avoid taking too much of certain herbs, and another thing it can be a good resource for people (like me) who want to transition OFF the SSRIs but still need some chemical help.

My list...

St. John's Wort. This is my favorite so far, and it can work really well. I found that I can dose it while I'm on Zoloft, but it has to be several hours apart to avoid the risk of serotonin syndrome. I usually will dose Zoloft in the morning and St. John's Wort at night (but not too much, just to be safe)

L-tryptophan or 5htp. This doesn't work for me quite as well as SJW, but it can help. Best to take at night or in the afternoon when serotonin is lowest. There's not a -huge- chance of serotonin syndrome if you take it with SSRIs, but enough of a chance that you shouldn't dose it at the same time. I would also take it several hours apart from my SSRI.

Kanna. I just ordered this to try it out. I read that it has SSRI-type properties, so I plan on trying it several hours after dosing zoloft. I tried it once before, but it was such a low dose that I'm not sure how it affected me...

Tramadol. This is definitely not a plant or herb, it's an opioid painkiller with SSRI-type properties. I've enjoyed it quite a bit... it raises my serotonin more immediately than any other drug or herb (except for ecstasy, but you can't do that all the time) and gives me a happy energy buzz. However, tolerance happens very fast. If I take it for two days in a row, the second day wont' be half as good as the first, so it's not really practical for maintainance. If I do it one day, I won't take zoloft at all - the risk of serotonin syndrome is much higher than taking herbs.

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So I plan to transition off my SSRI. I figure the best way would be to use various other things but switch it up a lot, so I'm not using the same thing multiple days in a row (except for something like SJW, which doesn't have a tolerance factor as far as I know). So, I could do tramadol, then kanna, then SJW, etc.... Has anyone else had luck with this method?
 
Because SSRIS have such a long half life to avoid serontonin syndrome i would wait ATLEAST 3-4 days before taking any other sertonergic drugs...

Im not sure if your trying to get off all drugs or just your ssri??

I would just talk to your dr and taper off your ssri if you do 5% taper every 2 weeks it will take longer but it will be alot less painful and stressful for your emotions...

I decided to stop taking all drugs and it turns out i am just a human with emotions :)
 
I think you should maybe start a routine of drinking tea. Try to get herbal teas and green teas with little to no caffiene. I don't like the idea of medicating myself other than recreationally and spiritually (on a regular basis). I find it much more helpful to have a soothing, relaxing routine; it's a nice little break from the hub-bub of day-to-day and the routine aspect of it is a good thing for your brain. Our brain function best in a routine fashion, and it is built to make adjustments to accomodate. Also, tea is very healthy, rich in antioxidants which is good for the mind, body, and soul.
 
I took SSRIs for 4 years and quit one day cold turkey.. that was interesting to say the least.
 
tryptophan is a seritonin prescurer and it works DAMN well

ill post a lil somthing on this subject

"There is little monetary reward for researchers who pursue the intricate secrets of amino acids. Rather, very odd situations have developed: The rush to artificially duplicate the work of the amino acid, tryptophan, (that converts into serotonin) has resulted in many prozac-type drugs that can't increase serotonin but can play with it in the brain. Prozac hot wires the serotonin neurotransmitter's firing mechanism to artificially speed up the pumping of serotonin into the brain. It also blocks serotonin from recirculating back into the transmitter as it was designed to do. The effect is that extra serotonin artificially remains within the brain and this increased level can then fulfill its job as an anti- depressant.

Interestingly, if the serotonin neurotransmitter were not running on empty, but was continually being loaded up by adequate amounts of the amino, tryptophan converting to serotonin, the anti-depressant effect in the brain would be the same. (That's how most of the human population do it!) Its almost always true that the firing mechanism works fine. But there is just very little left to fire in certain people. What depletes it? Ongoing stress, genetics, alcohol and drugs are great destroyers of your natural supply of tryptophan and serotonin.

Sometimes Prozac-type drugs mis-fire in the brain. Recently, a client told me he went berserk on this drug and felt compelled to smash up his car. He was nearly killed! There has been a Senate investigation over the many horror stories told by Prozac users. On the other hand, risks from taking natural tryptophan have been negligible.



Tryptophan

Tryptophan is an essential amino acid, that we can't manufacture ourselves. The brain uses it to produce the neurotransmitter serotonin, which maintains emotional calm, regulates sleep, and prevents depression. Suicidal patients show significant decreases in serotonin levels. Autopsies have shown that a very low brain level of serotonin is one biological marker to suicide. People who are depressed or agitated can often use tryptophan as effectively as antidepressants.

Tryptophan's benefits in loading the brain with serotonin to lift depression are well documented. The Journal of Biological Psychiatry, 1985 describes how abnormal tryptophan and serotonin metabolism can cause impulsive acts of suicide.

Tryptophan is the only substance in existence that makes serotonin, a powerful calming brain neurotransmitter. The many copycat anti-depressant drugs now on the market confirm the popularity of flooding our brains with "mellowing" serotonin. Tryptophan's benefits have been well documented in treating anxiety, panic, and compulsive obsessive disorders. For many years tryptophan was only available by prescription in the United States.

The two major neurotransmitters involved in preventing depression are serotonin (converted from the amino acid tryptophan) and norepinephrine (converted from the amino acids L-phenylalanine and L-tyrosine.) The new anti-depressant drugs are based on firing one or both of these neurotransmitters into the brain. Instead of using drugs, you can "restock" your brain's supply of these vital neurotransmitters and end the depression their absence causes, by taking amino acid capsules daily. In doing this you reload these neurotransmitters so that their firing mechanism continually has a full load to deliver to your brain. This is nature's design, not Prozac's. The artificial SSRI drugs do not raise neurotransmitter levels. Instead they trap what little you have and keep using it over and over in the brain sites, blocking it from returning to the neurotransmitters as it was designed to do.

Taking amino acids instead of drugs:

is much less expensive
is much safer (no side effects)
is more natural (in tune with the organic mechanisms we evolved with)
Accomplishes the same outcome, or better in most cases.


How Tryptophan Works

The essential amino acid tryptophan is the ONLY SUBSTANCE able to "manufacture" serotonin, the neurotransmitter which controls our moods, sleep, sex drive, appetite and pain threshold. Eating disorders and violent behavior have been traced to serotonin depletion. Replacing needed serotonin can quickly lift your depression and end your insomnia.

In one notable study, a Dutch medical researcher demonstrated that the combination of tryptophan (2 grams nightly) and vitamin B6 (125 mg three times daily) could restore patients with anxiety-type depression to normal in four weeks. Remember that the type of depression that is accompanied by anxiety and sleep disturbances is most likely to respond to tryptophan (serotonin's precursor.)

New research (1997) from McGill University in Montreal has found that men produce 52% MORE serotonin than do women. This information seems to explain why more women than men appear to experience a shortage of this critical chemical that modulates moods, and so are more likely to suffer from depression and/or eating disorders.



Using Tryptophan To Make Serotonin

Poor tryptophan has had the misfortune of acquiring a bad reputation due to a single event in 1989. At that time its largest manufacturer, Showa Denka in Japan, accidentally contaminated its product. Until then we had used tryptophan at Health Recovery Center for nine years with great success and no ill effects. However, that contaminated batch was enough for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to prohibit all future sales of tryptophan in the U.S for more than ten years. The rest of the world, including Canada continued to have access to this irreplaceable amino acid, while the FDA banned tryptophan even in baby food, for years. Scientists finally were able to prove that the deaths and illnesses that resulted from the bad batch of tryptophan were not caused by the amino acid itself but by its contamination. It has been several years since the New England Journal of Medicine reported the clear evidence that confirmed this.

Only recently has the FDA made L-tryptophan more available to the public. Their current policy on the marketing of dietary supplements containing L-tryptophan and related compounds states:

"Although FDA continues to enunciate its concern about the safety of dietary supplements containing L-tryptophan and related compounds such as L-5-hydroxytryptophan, this does not mean that FDA prohibits the marketing of dietary supplements that contain L-tryptophan. Under the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act), as amended by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA), the manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that its products are safe."

Because Bio-Recovery is guided by a medically licensed clinic with a vast knowledge in understanding orthomolecular approaches to treating addictions, we feel secure in offering pharmaceutical grade L-Tryptophan once more.

Tryptophan is NOT a drug. It is an essential amino acid much needed to support life and sanity. In an interesting coincidence, Prozac made its first appearance within days of the ban on tryptophan. Now there is a whole family of serotonin stimulating drugs, but NONE of them can create an iota of serotonin. They speed its firing into the brain and block the natural reuptake into the neurotransmitters, so levels of serotonin are slowly becoming even more depleted. Many have experienced one of these serotonin-firing anti-depressants * (Zoloft, Paxil, Desyrel, Prozac, Serzone). Typically our physician switches them to the natural serotonin precursor, L-tryptophan, which promptly restores their serotonin levels. Usually their firing mechanism works fine: the problem was that there was very little serotonin to fire.



Guidelines For Taking Tryptophan while working with a physician

Like all natural substances, tryptophan needs help to convert to serotonin. These co-enzymes are B6 and Vitamin C. See formulas from Seven Week to Sobriety or Depression Free, Naturally.
Tryptophan converts to niacin before finally becoming serotonin. If your body is deficient in niacin, the tryptophan you take will supply you with niacin, not serotonin. For this reason, it is a good idea to take a B-complex vitamin daily. It will give you both B6 and niacin and allow your tryptophan to make more serotonin.
The B vitamin, INOSITOL changes into a substance that regulates serotonin's effectiveness within nerve cells. A recent double blind study confirms inositol's effectiveness with depression. Inositol powder is sweet and good tasting. One and 1/2 teaspoonful three times daily is the researched dosage. American Journal of Psychiatry, 1995
Of all the amino acids, tryptophan is least able to cross the blood-brain barrier. It must pass this biological hurdle in order to be converted to serotonin. You can give it the right "nudge" by taking it with fruit juice. The carbohydrate will trigger insulin release, which will assist the tryptophan across the blood-brain barrier. Always take tryptophan on an empty stomach.


Is It Safe?

Tryptophan has been widely used by orthomolecular physicians, clinics like Health Recovery Center and the general population, in doses of one to four grams daily. Since you can't store it in your body, you cannot accumulate toxic levels. However, taking high amounts of tryptophan can produce some side effects:

Feeling drowsy the next morning
Bizarre or strange dreams (rare)
increased blood pressure in persons over sixty who already have high blood pressure.
Aggressiveness (this rare side effect can occur in the absence of sufficient co-nutrients needed for the normal conversion of tryptophan to serotonin)
Warnings:

Do not use tryptophan if taking MAO inhibitors.
Do not use tryptophan if you have liver damage, or you are restricted from taking phenylalanine, tyrosine, or histadine.
Tryptophan cannot break down into serotonin without B6. Without adequate serotonin there will be erratic sleep and ongoing irritability.


Can Tryptophan Be Combined With An SSRI Anti-Depressant?

Combing SSRI drugs and tryptophan is inviting a deluge of serotonin into the brain...it's dangerous to do, and in most cases not recommended. However a recent client is taking a very small dose (5 milligrams) of Prozac in conjunction with daily tryptophan and the result has been exactly right for her. Warning: Do not play with this or any combination of tryptophan and anti-depressant drugs. Your doctor MUST be supervising such an experiment.



Accept No Imitations:
A Word of Caution About 5-Hydroxytryptophan or 5-HTP Taken from The Life Extension Foundation Newsletter

The reasons for the potential risks of 5-HT were brought to our attention by Steven B Harris, M.D. He explained that: 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HT) is one step closer to serotonin than tryptophan. The Sequence is as follows.

Tryptophan > 5-Hydroxytryptophan > Serotonin

Based on the above metabolic sequence it would appear desirable to use 5-HT instead of tryptophan since 5-HT more readily converts to serotonin. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is often deficient in the brains of depressed people. Boosting serotonin can alleviate depression in some people and reduce carbohydrate cravings in others, thus inducing weight loss. Here's why 5-HT will not work for most Americans, and could be lethal to some people: The blood-brain barrier does not allow significant absorption of serotonin from the blood. The brain does have a large neutral amino acid pump that freely allows tryptophan and 5-HT into the bran for conversion into serotonin. The process by which 5-H is converted into serotonin is called decarboxylation. If decarboxylation occurs before 5-HT is absorbed by the brain, than blood levels of serotonin will elevate significantly, but very little serotonin will enter the brain. When Europeans take 5-HT, they are often prescribed the dopa decarboxylase inhibitor carbidopa that prevents 5-HT from being converted into serotonin until it reaches the brain. Americans do not take carbidopa with 5-HT and the result is possible serotonin overload in the blood, with virtually no serotonin reaching the brain. We will describe later the dangers of overloading the blood with serotonin. Americans taking 5-HT are more vulnerable to blood serotonin overload because, unlike most Europeans who are vitamin deficient, Americans who use 5-HT usually take large doses of vitamin B6 as well. Vitamin B6 rapidly converts 5-HT into serotonin before it can reach the brain. Even when combined with carbidopa, high levels of vitamin B6 will break through the carbidopa barrier and insure that 5-HT converts into serotonin in the blood before the it can reach the brain The multiple health benefits of vitamin B6 are too important, we believe, to recommend that people avoid taking vitamin B6 just to enable them to try using 5-HT to boost brain serotonin levels. This may be difficult anyway without also taking carbidopa, which is only available in the US. as a prescription drug. At the very best, those who take vitamin B6 with 5-HT are probably wasting their money. Unfortunately, high serotonin in the blood in not benign. Anyone suffering from heart disease should avoid 5-HT because the elevation in blood serotonin could cause coronary artery spasm an/or abnormal platelet aggregation, which are risk factors for sudden death heart attack. Here is the real frightening aspect of serotonin overload, as described by Dr. Harris: "Serotonin causes not only harmless flushing and diarrhea, but people with serotonin secreting tumors (hindgut carcinoids) also have problems with fibrosis of the endocardium and valves of their right hearts with can cause heart failure. The effect can also be seen with dietary intake of only modest amounts of serotonin, and there has actually been described in the medical literature, a tribe of South Sea islanders with right heart fibrosis as a result of eating green banana mush, which poisons them with its serotonin content" Dr. Harris goes on to state that people who ingest several hundred milligrams a day of 5-HT with B6 and without a decarboxylase inhibitor would expect to see urinary excretion of a serotonin metabolite in the same range as a person with a serotonin secreting tumor. Based upon Dr. Harris' report the Foundation had its analysts conduct an extensive review of the medical literature and have come to the following preliminary conclusions. 1) For 5-HT to boost serotonin levels in the brain it is necessary to: a)Take 50 mg of carbidopa before each 5-HT dose. Carbidopa is a prescription drug. b)Limit vitamin B6 supplementation to a small dose taken at least six hours before or after 5-HT carbidopa dosing. c) Have a urinary test to measure a metabolite of serotonin called 5-hydroxy indoleacetic acid (5-HIAA) on a regular basis. As long as 5-HIAA levels are normal, than 5-HT intake would be safe. 2) Those with existing cardiovascular disease, including atrial fibrillation, coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, cardiomyopathy, valvular disease or pulmonary hypertension may want to avoid 5-HT completely. One Foundation analyst felt that 81 mg a day of aspirin and 500 mg a day of magnesium would reduce the risk of 5-HT inducing a heart attack. 3)The effects of 5-HT by itself elevating blood serotonin levels are extremely individualistic. Some people may not experience any blood serotonin increase, while others could suffer from a lethal serotonin peripheral overload. 4) Despite the potential dangers of 5-HT, most FDA-approved drugs to treat depression and obesity appear to be more toxic. 5) At the time of this printing, we have not been able to verify whether 5-HT induced serotonin overload would cause fibrosis of the aortic valve and destruction of the heart muscle. Based on the potential health risks of ingesting 5-HIT, Bio Recovery has decided not to offer it tat this time. we encourage anyone seeking to use 5-HT to follow strictly the above protocol for safe 5-HT supplementation. We'll post further evidence regarding 5-HTP as soon as it becomes available. This warning applies only to 5-hydroxy tryptophan (5-HT), not tryptophan itself. Published studies show that tryptophan does not readily convert into serotonin in the blood, but that 5-HT does, since 5-HT can convert directly into serotonin while tryptophan has to go through one additional metabolic step which protects against blood serotonin overload."
 
Eat turkey!! And just eat alot of greens and nuts that look appealing to you in a feel good sense. Start taking vitamins especially the B vitamins after meals or be cool and drink red bull. I also suggest taking Fish Oil suppliment or eating alot of stuff with hemp in it (I personally enjoy the granola with hemp if you have that in organic food stores in your area). The stuff is good for "membrane protection" watever that is, all I know is that its good for your brain. Theres also the nootropics but I dont know too much about those. I think you have the right idea though in terms of making a mood stabilizing salad but I dont think it has to have the exact SSRI or MAOI effect to keep you where you want to be (I have a good reason to believe that serotonin and dopamine arent the only things responsible for ones emotional well being). Kava is a nice one, Kaviar brands are my favorite but I still hate the taste and smell of the stuff. Its always a good decision to come off meds, just be sure your loved ones know what your doing so you could get some support too. I wish you the very best and see a good outcome for ya. PLUR

PS I also suggest taking 5-htp suppliments 2 to 3 weeks after you have tapered off the meds, I heard theres some risk involved when taking them with SSRI's MAOI's so better to play it safe. Theres some statistical information on 5htp being a better alternative for mood stability than psychiatric medication. I have been throught the zoloft/lamictal/lexapro (just about 6 months, didnt taper off because my quack doctor didnt care to inform me of withdrawal symptoms [Which I dont think were that bad at all]) thing before, its not too bad to come off just prepare to kind of look back on that experience with a "that was pretty weird" feeling heheh.
 
i dont feel like finding the stuff to copy and paste ,but at the HEALTH RECOVERY CENTER people are taken off the ssris and given tryptophan for close to 7 weeks then after that if that still just so happens to no be enough they can use ST.johns wart and like you should already know has virtually no side affects and it DOES work


but like most people should know most people just need more seritonin ,NOT speeding the release of seritonin they already have so eventually one of the transmitters will run out of seritonin and misfire and cause god knows what to happen
 
The fact that turkey has more tryptophan than any other meat product is an urban legend. The reason you get tired after thanksgiving is not because of tryptophan in turkey, but rather because of all the other carbs you are eating, (pumpki n pie, bread, potatoes, etc...) Eating carbs causes an increase in insulin, which increases the tryptophan concentration in the blood, relative to the other neutral amino acids--this causes more tryptophan to cros the BBB--and more to be converted into seritonin. I have gone into this more in depth in some other of my posts(If you are interested). In fact, turkey is more likely to increase dopamine levels instead of seritonin, as it contains both phenylalanine and tyrosine which will both convert to tyrosine, causing an increase in tyrosine relative to the other neutral amino acids, and allow for more tyrosine to cross the BBB. However, bear in mind that production of dopamine is more dependent on whether the dopaminegeneric neuron is firing.

Also, seritonin is also known as 5-HT. (The chemical name is 5-Hydroxytriptamine). This is different than 5-HTP, which is 5 hydroxytryptophan. Bascially, the decarboxylation of 5-HTP turns it into 5-HT. The reason for the two different names for seritonin is that two different groups discovered it at the same time and gave it different names. It wasn't until later that the two substances were found to be identical, and both names continued to be used.
 
this is why you get tired when you eat somtingyou love

"Compulsive Eating and Food Allergy

Do you crave certain foods the way drug addicts crave a fix? If so, you may be allergic/addicted to those foods. When this is the case, the foods in question are improperly metabolized in your body and trigger psychoactive chemicals that produce an initial high soon followed by a loss of control (binging) and other negative symptoms like fogginess, fatigue, and depression. Life becomes one binge after another, and weight begins to accumulate. Eventually, some affected individuals turn bulimic to control their weight. The alternative is anorexia nervosa and starvation. If an allergic/addicted person cuts food intake and subsists on salads and vegetables, their cravings will probably subside. This regime eliminates the volatile foods that trigger binges, but it will also deplete stores of the natural chemicals needed for normal brain functioning.Compulsive Eating and Food Allergy





"Be Your Own Detective: The Elimination Diet

One effective way to confirm that a specific food is causing you problems is to stop eating it for at least one week. This isn't as easy as it sounds, because if you are allergic/addicted, you may develop withdrawal symptoms as your body pleads for its usual fix of these foods. Symptoms vary from person to person and can include headache or fatigue during the first days. Back and joint aches may develop on the third day and persist for a day or two. Among the "psychological" symptoms of withdrawal are anxiety, confusion, depression, and mood swings. If you are chemically sensitive, try to avoid exposure during this week to fresh paint, new synthetic carpets, cleaning solutions, gas stoves, tobacco smoke, auto exhaust, perfumes, and shopping malls (which are filled with fumes from the formaldehyde in new clothing, furniture, and fabrics).

(A note to smokers: Do not smoke during an elimination diet. Cigarettes are loaded with chemicals that keep allergic users in a chronically reactive state. You won't be able to see the effects of the diet while you continue to smoke.)

By the end of the week, withdrawal agonies, if any, will have ceased. After that, reintroducing the suspected food(s) should produce noticeable symptoms. This is your body's way of telling you whether or not it can tolerate the food."
 
Paralogic said:
I also suggest taking 5-htp suppliments 2 to 3 weeks after you have tapered off the meds, I heard theres some risk involved when taking them with SSRI's MAOI's so better to play it safe.

I know a woman who had a seizure from taking 5-htp supplements while on paxil. She still suffers from seizures occasionally... so it appears to have a permanent effect on the brain

Paralogic said:
Theres some statistical information on 5htp being a better alternative for mood stability than psychiatric medication. I have been throught the zoloft/lamictal/lexapro (just about 6 months, didnt taper off because my quack doctor didnt care to inform me of withdrawal symptoms [Which I dont think were that bad at all]) thing before, its not too bad to come off just prepare to kind of look back on that experience with a "that was pretty weird" feeling heheh.

I quit 40mg celexa practically cold turkey (one week taper) and suffered from horrific protracted withdrawal. After doing a lot of reading about the serotonin system, psychiatry and SSRI I think it was abruptly stopping that traumatized my brain and caused me to suffer for almost 2 years. I still don't feel "right" and I occasionally get brain shivers, but psychologically I am more stable now that I have ever been in my entire life... or at least since I can remember.

wingnutlives If and when you decided to quit taking antidepressants make sure that you taper down no faster than 10% of your original dose a week.

Here's a sample tapering schedule for 100mg zoloft 1x daily:

Week 1: 90mg
Week 2: 80mg
Week 3: 70mg
Week 4: 60mg
Week 5: 50mg
Week 6: 40mg
Week 7: 30mg
Week 8: 20mg
Week 9: 10mg
Week 10: 5mg
Week 11: 2.5mg
Week 12: 0mg!

You could go even slower than that but it's important to taper slowly and in smaller increments as you get closer to zero. In case anyone's wondering I typed it out above even though it's pretty easy to understand just to avoid confusion. My boyfriend just looked over my shoulder and told me that it's quite unnecessary but hey, I'd like to be as clear as possible. Just FYI ;)
 
chicpoena said:
I quit 40mg celexa practically cold turkey (one week taper) and suffered from horrific protracted withdrawal. After doing a lot of reading about the serotonin system, psychiatry and SSRI I think it was abruptly stopping that traumatized my brain and caused me to suffer for almost 2 years. I still don't feel "right" and I occasionally get brain shivers, but psychologically I am more stable now that I have ever been in my entire life... or at least since I can remember.


Sorry to do the metaphysical thing again, but I talked to Donna this weekend (talked about shamanism, wicca, and more cool stuff) and I think she knew about the random brains zaps (a slight "sleep" feeling that moves up my body followed by a post faint feeling) ive been having lately. She gave me a yellow jasper stone, I looked it up in my book and Wonderstone (a type of jasper) seems to share the same characteristics with the stone she gave me. It states:

"It can be used for amelioration of spasms and convulsions and to remove blockages in the energy path which have led to poor circulation and/or disorientation" (Love is in the Earth : A Kaleidoscope of Crystals by Melody)

Dont know if thats what I was experiencing exactly, but whatever it is its gone now. To keep it relevant, if the OP has similar symptoms coming off perhaps you should look into acquiring yellow jasper (if your gonna go rock shopping be sure to get a fluorite, quartz, and an amethyst while your at it). She says hi to bluelight as well. PLUR :! :D
 
oh yea, i have to fully agree:

buy stones and buy "cheap" tryptophan (which are, at least for the rest of the world, for free in our ground/food).
but please, and god and the shamans may help me and you, stay away from those brain-hot-wiring, devilish medications like zoloft!!!!!! otherwise your brain might someday explode or something else terrible will happen.
 
morphiquet said:
oh yea, i have to fully agree:

buy stones and buy "cheap" tryptophan (which are, at least for the rest of the world, for free in our ground/food).
but please, and god and the shamans may help me and you, stay away from those brain-hot-wiring, devilish medications like zoloft!!!!!! otherwise your brain might someday explode or something else terrible will happen.

That's so helpful and relevant to this thread 8)
 
chicpoena said:
I know a woman who had a seizure from taking 5-htp supplements while on paxil. She still suffers from seizures occasionally... so it appears to have a permanent effect on the brain

Week 12: 0mg!

You could go even slower than that but it's important to taper slowly and in smaller increments as you get closer to zero. In case anyone's wondering I typed it out above even though it's pretty easy to understand just to avoid confusion. My boyfriend just looked over my shoulder and told me that it's quite unnecessary but hey, I'd like to be as clear as possible. Just FYI ;)

Thanks for the advice. I actually just stopped taking it at all... for some reason I don't get very bad withdrawal. Plus, I was just prescribed seroquel for anxiety (which I can take once in a while, don't need it every day) so I'll use it a little more often to ward off any extra anxiety associated with zoloft withdrawal.

I took 5htp all the time while on zoloft with no negative effect. The one time I had a problem (mild serotonin syndrome) I had taken it with the zoloft in the morning, but usually I've taken it at night so that its several hour apart.

The herbs I'm taking right now are St. John's Wort and Kanna... they seem to be working well, but suggestions are always welcome to have a wide variety of options.
 
seroquel? Youz on ez streak in my uneducated opinion lol. Enjoy freedom yay!! :)
 
I've tried kanna (Sceletium tortuosum). Smoking a small amount gives a nice mood lift for an hour or two without making me high. Higher doses may be intoxicating. I don't know how effective it would be as a long term antidepressant. I'm going to try to grow some plants, enough that I can use it on a regular basis without paying for it. I may try it as a tea.

I don't know if St. John's wort did anything or not. I may try increasing the dose if I start using it again.

Piracetam is not like an SSRI, but has been about the best antidepressant I have tried. None of the prescription antidepressants helped, but piracetam has.
 
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