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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2019ish

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w01fg4ng said:
Well you guys do have a lot of people being knifed. I'll give you that.
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Maybe if I can convert an AR-15 to shoot knives I may be onto something.
Thanks for the idea, I'll be fucking rich this point next year after I start to sell my new weapon to the local Muslim heroin dealers.
 
mal3volent said:
Street level crime in a large metropolitan city is much different than these isolated incidents in small towns across the country. Gangs have stockpiles of guns and Chicago is corrupt as fuck. Not a great comparison.
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Small towns? El Paso has a population of about 700,000 and Dayton, Ohio of about 150,000. These arent small towns. Its a GREAT comparison. These gangs purchased their guns illegally and are now using them to kill people. Last time I checked, a death was still a death. I could be wrong (which im not).

Ill give you an 'A' for effort though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
- The number of guns in America has increased more than 50% since 1993. In that same period of time, the gun homicide rate has dropped by 50%.

- National Average Police Response Time is 11 minutes

- Deaths by gun types in 2016:
Handguns: 7,105
Rifles: 374
Shotguns: 262

- Knives kill 4 times as many people a year in the US as all rifles combined.

- In 2013, Obama's CDC estimated that 300,000-5 million lives were saved by defensive gun use annually.

- 262 million people were murdered by their governments in the 20th century.

- Venezuela banned private gun ownership in 2012; now, in 2018 Venezuela has the 3rd highest murder rate in the world.

- Honduras has the highest homicide rate in the world, ranks 88th in gun ownership.

- Switzerland has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world, ranks 3rd in gun ownership.

- London's murder rate soared 44%, and incidents involving firearms increased 11% in 2017.

- Annual Death Rates from Mass shootings per MILLION people from 2009 - 2015:
Norway 1.888
Serbia 0.381
France 0.347
Macedonia 0.337
Albania 0.206
Slovakia 0.185
Switzerland 0.142
Finland 0.132
Belgium 0.128
Czech Republic 0.123
UNITED STATES 0.089

- No NRA member has ever Committed a Mass Shooting

- The worst school massacres in the history of mankind using firearms):
1. 2004-Russia 334 dead
2. 2000-Indonesia 191 dead
3. 1990-Sri Lanka 158 dead
4. 2014-Pakistan 149 dead
5. 2015-Kenya 148 dead
6. 2001-Kenya 67 dead

- 75% of mass shooters use a handgun to carry out their shootings

- 97.8% of mass public shootings have occurred in "Gun-Free Zones" since 1950

- Out of the 27 worst mass shootings in US history, 26 of the shooters were raised without their biological fathers.
 
Chris42393 said:
Small towns? El Paso has a population of about 700,000 and Dayton, Ohio of about 150,000. These arent small towns. Its a GREAT comparison. These gangs purchased their guns illegally and are now using them to kill people. Last time I checked, a death was still a death. I could be wrong (which im not).

Ill give you an 'A' for effort though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Well compared to 2.7 million in Chicago, you know...680,000 is pretty small. Would it make you feel better if I said medium sized cities?

My point was the gangs and the corruption of a huge city vs the vast majority of these mass shootings that are taking place in middle America,

I get it, you want guns, you want them so bad that you're willing to let this shit happen. You think hey, shit happens...the worlds a fucked up place... I gotta protect me and mine.

I just hope you or someone you love don't find yourself at the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope the same for myself.
 
JGrimez said:
- The number of guns in America has increased more than 50% since 1993. In that same period of time, the gun homicide rate has dropped by 50%.

- National Average Police Response Time is 11 minutes

- Deaths by gun types in 2016:
Handguns: 7,105
Rifles: 374
Shotguns: 262

- Knives kill 4 times as many people a year in the US as all rifles combined.

- In 2013, Obama's CDC estimated that 300,000-5 million lives were saved by defensive gun use annually.

- 262 million people were murdered by their governments in the 20th century.

- Venezuela banned private gun ownership in 2012; now, in 2018 Venezuela has the 3rd highest murder rate in the world.

- Honduras has the highest homicide rate in the world, ranks 88th in gun ownership.

- Switzerland has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world, ranks 3rd in gun ownership.

- London's murder rate soared 44%, and incidents involving firearms increased 11% in 2017.

- Annual Death Rates from Mass shootings per MILLION people from 2009 - 2015:
Norway 1.888
Serbia 0.381
France 0.347
Macedonia 0.337
Albania 0.206
Slovakia 0.185
Switzerland 0.142
Finland 0.132
Belgium 0.128
Czech Republic 0.123
UNITED STATES 0.089

- No NRA member has ever Committed a Mass Shooting

- The worst school massacres in the history of mankind using firearms):
1. 2004-Russia 334 dead
2. 2000-Indonesia 191 dead
3. 1990-Sri Lanka 158 dead
4. 2014-Pakistan 149 dead
5. 2015-Kenya 148 dead
6. 2001-Kenya 67 dead

- 75% of mass shooters use a handgun to carry out their shootings

- 97.8% of mass public shootings have occurred in "Gun-Free Zones" since 1950

- Out of the 27 worst mass shootings in US history, 26 of the shooters were raised without their biological fathers.
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The Russian theatre seige in 2004 with 334 dead didn't result from firearms.. It was the Kolokov (fentanyl analog) gas

That's the only one of those statistics I think is wrong off the top of my head
 
mal3volent said:
Well compared to 2.7 million in Chicago, you know...680,000 is pretty small. Would it make you feel better if I said medium sized cities?

My point was the gangs and the corruption of a huge city vs the vast majority of these mass shootings that are taking place in middle America,

I get it, you want guns, you want them so bad that you're willing to let this shit happen. You think hey, shit happens...the worlds a fucked up place... I gotta protect me and mine.

I just hope you or someone you love don't find yourself at the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope the same for myself.
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Im guessing you're not getting the point that people will buy guns illegally if they want to commit a mass murder (if they cant get them any other way). No amount of gun laws wont stop that.

Me and everyone of my family members conceal carry. I have no problem dying. I definitely wont be running from the fight (and neither will they). I wasnt trained to do that.
 
Chris42393 said:
Im guessing you're not getting the point that people will buy guns illegally if they want to commit a mass murder. No amount of gun laws wont stop that.

Me and everyone of my family members conceal carry. I have no problem dying. I definitely wont be running from the fight (and neither will they). I wasnt trained to do that.
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We've all got to die brother.. I came to terms with my mortality years ago in some godforsaken shithole that most people wouldn't even be able to find on a map..

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees...
 
apocalypse_when said:
The Russian theatre seige in 2004 with 334 dead didn't result from firearms.. It was the Kolokov (fentanyl analog) gas

That's the only one of those statistics I think is wrong off the top of my head
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And the goddamn Muslim Chechens that did it (known as The Black Widows) were all strapped with bombs too.....just saying like.
 
mal3volent said:
I get it, you want guns, you want them so bad that you're willing to let this shit happen. You think hey, shit happens...the worlds a fucked up place... I gotta protect me and mine.
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It's naive to think removing guns from law-abiding individuals will stop criminals or spree shooters. Even if it's slightly more difficult, it will not prevent it.

I just hope you or someone you love don't find yourself at the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope the same for myself.
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Whether you find yourself in a shitty situation with someone who obtained their gun legally or illegally doesn't matter. You're safer if you are armed.

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Kamala Harris Suggests As Pres She'd Send Law Enforcement Door-To-Door To Confiscate Guns In Wake Of El Paso Shooting https://t.co/HHJFRBLiGW
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Didn't you work with the YPG / YPJ?
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Nah, knocked it back..

They wanted British paratroopers, Marine Commandos and SF to teach the kurds sniper and infantry tactics, small arms etc. But the whole thing sounded sketchy as fuck from people I knew over there who spent 90%of their time trying to stop ISIS overrunning the place..

I needed the money, but not THAT badly.
 
Mexican gun laws so tight & just crazy imo & they have horrific narco murder rates, Ciudad Juarez has a murder rate of over 3,000 people in one year.
EL Paso Texas where you fuck around someone will blow you away with a .44 Magnum one of the most safe states in the USA.

Go figure............
 
apocalypse_when said:
Nah, knocked it back..

They wanted British paratroopers, Marine Commandos and SF to teach the kurds sniper and infantry tactics, small arms etc. But the whole thing sounded sketchy as fuck from people I knew over there who spent 90%of their time trying to stop ISIS overrunning the place..

I needed the money, but not THAT badly.
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Personally I'd give those Sunni fucks less than 1% chance if they were faced with some British paratroopers or Marine Commandos.
Shame someone didn't make a chain-gun that shoots .50cal rounds tipped with white phosphorus imho.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Personally I'd give those towel-headed Sunni fucks less than 1% chance if they were faced with some British paratroopers or Marine Commandos.
Shame someone didn't make a chain-gun that shoots .50cal rounds tipped with white phosphorus imho.
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I've always said if you dropped a battle group of Paras into Syria with decent air support and no rules of engagement we'd go through ISIS in a fucking month...They're not proper soldiers... And they're DEFINITELY not Paras

Also I saw photos of some of the handmade 50cal (12.7mm Russian DSHK rounds) and 20mm long range sniper rifles the kurds made and they looked rather dangerous to me... But as long as someone else is firing them it's all good
 
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