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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2019ish

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nuttynutskin said:
I agree. There's so many firearms already out there here in the U.S. that if a psychopathic criminal wants one they will find a way to get one unfortunately.
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300,000,000 guns in the US that are KNOWN of!! does not include all the Ghost guns ( if you are unfamiliar with the term look it up to really turn your stomach!!
As a huge firearms guy and instructor of gun saftey, We need to really look at this PROBLEM We have the most mass shooting in the World!!! We are either really special or really Fuck up with re guard to killing people here!! Cant be the price for Freedom because no other democracies has any where near the numbers that we do!! I am an old guy and have plenty of awards for shooting and trophies on my walls, but When I am nervous of the random gun violence in the country and if my wife,children or gandchildren are going to be shot at the store??? Fuck This
 
As the NRA always says( after35 years no longer a member , some points they have are nuts ask Olie North a true American hero and totally Loves this Nation not his Pay check)
Guns do not Kill people -- People kill people I have never seen my HK-mp5 get out of the safe , load it self and go down town and randomly shoot people!!!
but on that note there are weapon systems that are only designed to efficiently Kill as many people as possible, as the above mentioned, and even better with a silencer :giggle::giggle::giggle:
 
Iceman1216 said:
none of my 30-06 have 40 round magazines, do yours? i mostly work one the premise, One shot One kill , and I have my limit
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I do not own a 30-06, nor have I ever shot one. So I can't comment on that (I don't know what the highest capacity is). I THINK my friend has one that can hold 20 rounds. THINK. But the thing you quoted was directed at the second sentence of his haha
 
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Iceman1216 said:
As the NRA always says( after35 years no longer a member , some points they have are nuts ask Olie North a true American hero and totally Loves this Nation not his Pay check)
Guns do not Kill people -- People kill people I have never seen my HK-mp5 get out of the safe , load it self and go down town and randomly shoot people!!!
but on that note there are weapon systems that are only designed to efficiently Kill as many people as possible, as the above mentioned, and even better with a silencer :giggle::giggle::giggle:
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Im definitely jealous that you have an HK-mp5. How much did that cost? Im guessing a shit ton haha
 
Chris42393 said:
I do not own a 30-06, nor have I ever shot one. So I can't comment on that (I don't know what the highest capacity is). I THINK my friend has one that can hold 20 rounds. THINK. But the thing you quoted was directed at the second sentence of his.
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I have never seen a Hunting rifle in 30-06 ever have more that 4 round magazine!! Most ever state I have ever hunted in limit rounds. Now we are back to a military style weapon that is chambered in the old 30-06 round M1 Garand ( fantastic rile ) before most countries followed to NATO, 9mm, 5.56×45mm and 7.62×51mm (308). yes the AR10 has a 20 round magazine
 
Chris42393 said:
Im definitely jealous that you have an HK-mp5. How much did that cost? Im guessing a shit ton haha
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More than a shit ton!! I could of bought a brand new Vet for the same $$$
But I did not know as much about cars as guns { still don't} but my gun has tripled in value and all my cars lose 25% the minute I drive it off the lot Lol Haha
 
Iceman1216 said:
More than a shit ton!! I could of bought a brand new Vet for the same $$$
But I did not know as much about cars as guns { still don't} but my gun has tripled in value and all my cars lose 25% the minute I drive it off the lot Lol Haha
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Jesus! Wish I had that kind of money to blow on guns hahaha. Not a bad investment then!
 
Iceman1216 said:
I have never seen a Hunting rifle in 30-06 ever have more that 4 round magazine!! Most ever state I have ever hunted in limit rounds. Now we are back to a military style weapon that is chambered in the old 30-06 round M1 Garand ( fantastic rile ) before most countries followed to NATO, 9mm, 5.56×45mm and 7.62×51mm (308). yes the AR10 has a 20 round magazine
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I can ask him later to see what it was. Like I said, I could be wrong. Its been a while since we talked about it haha
 
Iceman1216 said:
none of my 30-06 have 40 round magazines, do yours? i mostly work one the premise, One shot One kill , and I have my limit
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If you're a gun guy then I'm sure you know that a full power rifle round in a crowded space can kill a lot more than one person. Lethality does not correlate directly with magazine capacity... My 10 round bolt action AI AWM .338 Lapua Magnum rifle I used in 2 tours of Afghan could have done more damage in he hands of someone with the appropriate level of training.

That was my point
 
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apocalypse_when said:
If you're a gun guy then I'm sure you know that a full power rifle round in a crowded space can kill a lot more than one person. Lethality does not correlate directly with magazine capacity... My 10 round bolt action AI AWM .338 Lapua Magnum rifle I used in 2 tours of Afghan could have done more damage in he hands of someone with the appropriate level of training.

That was my point
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TRUE: I always hope that the people we train to be Efficient with the 338 Lapua magnun are not the shooters of women and children in Walmart because the are Hispanic!!
My Steyr SSG 08 bolt action rifle in 338 Lapua was over $6500 when finished setting up and at $5 per round the cost of getting efficient with that rifle was fun yes, but Dam expensive.
again you a combat Vet Thank you for your Service, you should have the Best equipment available ( not how our current wars started for you guys, Sorry about that, Lack of understanding and money alocated to the mission, some people may still fell the same but it is out of the news cycle now!! That is so sad for the 1% of the families in this country that have carried the whole burden of this 18 year campaign.

But again my point: Miliary vs Civilian !!
And please agree with me that The argument that Dimmer and Dumber need there guns to fight off the state> If the us military takes arms against it civilians even with 900,000,000 guns its over faster than the 7 day war
 
Iceman1216 said:
TRUE: I always hope that the people we train to be Efficient with the 338 Lapua magnun are not the shooters of women and children in Walmart because the are Hispanic!!
My Steyr SSG 08 bolt action rifle in 338 Lapua was over $6500 when finished setting up and at $5 per round the cost of getting efficient with that rifle was fun yes, but Dam expensive.
again you a combat Vet Thank you for your Service, you should have the Best equipment available ( not how our current wars started for you guys, Sorry about that, Lack of understanding and money alocated to the mission, some people may still fell the same but it is out of the news cycle now!! That is so sad for the 1% of the families in this country that have carried the whole burden of this 18 year campaign.

But again my point: Miliary vs Civilian !!
And please agree with me that The argument that Dimmer and Dumber need there guns to fight off the state> If the us military takes arms against it civilians even with 900,000,000 guns its over faster than the 7 day war
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I'm British Army (3rd Btn The Parachute Regiment, 16 Air Assault Brigade) so things are slightly different and we tend not to blow our citizens away in Walmart as a general rule.. but I've had this argument loads of times with Americans that if they think their rifles and pistols are going to protect them from the might of US military power then they are deluded.. I've seen what the US can do when it wants in the Middle East and its truly awe inspiring...

They can drop a 2000lb JDAM on your ass from a B1 at 30,000 feet and you won't even see it coming.... Well the taliban certainly didn't...

Their comeback is always "well the military would revolt and wouldn't kill citizens"......... You sure about that????
 
Thank you!! My point as well, our only chance is a fair split of the military and MAD.
But you as British must see the stupidity in the use gun laws
Last year 61 killing in England by guns
Last year 8,567 killing in the USA by guns
WTF is wrong with us on this side of the pond??? You guys do not seem to like each other any better than we at the current moment??
 
Iceman1216 said:
Thank you!! My point as well, our only chance is a fair split of the military and MAD.
But you as British must see the stupidity in the use gun laws
Last year 61 killing in England by guns
Last year 8,567 killing in the USA by guns
WTF is wrong with us on this side of the pond??? You guys do not seem to like each other any better than we at the current moment??
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I honestly don't know the answer to why a person would do this shit and what makes the US so special in wanting to kill dozens of their own citizens in these mass shootings... We have a big problem with Islamic terrorism but even they don't cause the same level of carnage...

Obviously as a military person I'm not anti gun... Ive been trained in everything from pistols, rifles, machine guns up to Javalin missiles but even if I owned these things, killing my countrymen would be the last thing I'd ever do....

As a gun man yourself, do you think that guns are TO readily available in the US? I'm really interested in your obviously informed opinion on this one...
 
As a soldier to a soldier, as man to man, as whatever you want. I was in army too, US, two 2 different countries 2 different voids. I was a fighter pilot and I can flip you.. we aren't enemies, we are enemies only if our country wants too. I worked in Afghanistan with few of them and I didn't even know what they wanted to say though why do you say we kill our citizens? Our last gun control law was 25yrs ago, guns right & gun control are 2 different ballparks budgets. Killing one of your own countrymen has been done since the beg of times, since when Indians and those fuckers from woods started shootin arrows in Frenches. I am offended by this too more or less although I don't think it's a hate crime yet, I said yet.

And we didn't kill our own citizens, don't talk shit if you aren't informed.
 
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Shady's Fox said:
As a soldier to a soldier, as man to man, as whatever you want. I was in army too, US, two 2 different countries 2 different voids. I was a fighter pilot and I can flip you.. we aren't enemies, we are enemies only if our country wants too. I worked in Afghanistan with few of them and I didn't even know what they wanted to say though why do you say we kill our citizens? Our last gun control law was 25yrs ago, guns right & gun control are 2 different ballparks budgets. Killing one of your own countrymen has been done since the beg of times, since when Indians and those fuckers from woods started shootin arrows in Frenches. I am offended by this too more or less although I don't think it's a hate crime yet, I said yet.
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Thank you for your service man.. US airpower saved my arse on countless occasions in multiple countries... (forget the blue on blues.... These things happen in war time)..

But I'm not sure I understand your point?

Edit... Lol, no need for the hostility..

How exactly are mass shootings NOT killing your own citizens? Interested to hear your reasoning behind that one??

You're rambling bro... You're post doesn't even make sense
 
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Thank you, I feel that as with the list you mentioned, there are certian situations with proper training that weapons are a necessary tool in the right hands, But as a life time shooter and gun nut ( ask my wife; and even son Lol) We need to be honest with the Real intent of our second amendment, and the huge gun lobby with regards to Military weapons, that have no true civilian use!!
I like guns, I like to shoot I am pretty good at it ( really don't suck Lol Hahha) but I will give up all my Military type weapons to save one child from the devastating wound that a 556 round produces.
Yes I can cause more damage to souls with the proper round in a short barrel shot gun, and i can reload rather quick and resume target acquisition. but do i need 33 rounds in my M9 as a civilian??
 
neither do I please continue? and address the manifesto that was published just before he started shooting in TX? was not a warm and fuzzy document, or a crime of Passion??
what did i miss in your interpretation?
 
The point is that we don't kill our citizens, why did you brought this up? with what purpose? i'm curious, do you think our army have some blank faults? . I think the police did a greater job than ever, props to them. Now if I have connections and have military weapons let's say a M27 or M39 that doesn't mean you have to blame our army for these shootings.

Gun laws, isn't their fault. It's people fault and how they use them nothin new, that gun doesn't take control over your thoughts, you take over. Don't let the illusion fool you.
 
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