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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

^ can i use latex as a material in said printer and save myself a bunch of money by not going to the adult super store?
 
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treezy z said:
What is your personal experience in defending against home invaders without a weapon?
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that's a bit of a non-sequitor and seems like a pretty loaded question...

i have no experience of defending against a home invasion - where i live, home invasions are extremely rare and i'm happy to take the chance if that means living in a house without a gun.

alasdair
 
Oh and by the way, since I am apparently not allowed to speak on the NHS due to lack of personal experience, I kindly request you never talk about guns. Unless you accept that my personal experience in NHS is irrelevent.

I don't think socialized medicine is necessarily a panacea, despite the mountain of problems with the US healthcare system. We pay far more per capita as far as I'm aware, but part of that is regulations that help the insurance companies instead of consumers (such as no shopping across state lines.) That is what happens when you switch from capitalism to corporatism/oligarchy.

If you have some sources I can look at to advance your argument go ahead.
 
treezy z said:
Good for you. You can afford to live in a good neighborhood.
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are you trying to make this personal? i wouldn't say i live in a 'good' neighborhood but, for a whole host of reasons, i live in a rural location where incidence of crime - especially violent crime - just happens to be very low. but if i moved back to the city, i still wouldn't have a gun.

if you feel a gun is necessary - or you just want one - then i respect that. it's your business.

treezy z said:
Oh and by the way, since I am apparently not allowed to speak on the NHS due to lack of personal experience...
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please stop being so childish. nobody is saying you can't speak on the subject.

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alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
are you trying to make this personal? i wouldn't say i live in a 'good' neighborhood but, for a whole host of reasons, i live in a rural location where incidence of crime - especially violent crime - just happens to be very low. but if i moved back to the city, i still wouldn't have a gun.

if you feel a gun is necessary - or you just want one - then i respect that. it's your business.

please stop being so childish. nobody is saying you can't speak on the subject.

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alasdair
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Ok, I don't dislike you, I felt like you being dishonest in your question about my experience about NHS, I misunderstood.
 
alasdairm said:
that's a bit of a non-sequitor and seems like a pretty loaded question...

i have no experience of defending against a home invasion - where i live, home invasions are extremely rare and i'm happy to take the chance if that means living in a house without a gun.

alasdair
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Seems like an odd way to phrase your point unless I'm somehow misunderstanding it.

Like, "I'm happy to take the chance if it means living in a house without a gun". Are you saying you'd accept a greater risk of injury or death from a home invasion than live in a house with a gun? I mean, i get that you might not want the responsibility of owning a gun, and that's totally fine. But the way you said it makes it sound to me like you're actually afraid of living in a house with a gun. Which if so, seems quite weird to me.
 
treezy z said:
Ok, I don't dislike you, I felt like you being dishonest in your question about my experience about NHS, I misunderstood.
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if you had two friends who were raving about how great the new camaro handles. one of them read about it on the internet but the other actually drove it. would you give a little more weight to the opinion of the second guy?

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
yes. and it's not a case of i would. i do.

alasdair
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Why? I mean, i get not wanting to have to deal with the responsibility of owning a firearm, and that's fine, but it sounds like you specifically dislike the idea of there being a gun in your home even if nobody were using it, or even capable of accessing it, and that I don't get..

I mean, a guns not gonna do anything by itself, so what's the concern? Why care one or the other?
 
JessFR said:
Why? I mean, i get not wanting to have to deal with the responsibility of owning a firearm, and that's fine, but it sounds like you specifically dislike the idea of there being a gun in your home even if nobody were using it, or even capable of accessing it, and that I don't get..

I mean, a guns not gonna do anything by itself, so what's the concern? Why care one or the other?
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I think their are many reasons, such as a mentally ill family member, perhaps it is a personal issue that he would like to keep to himself (not speaking for alasdairm but as a general thing)
 
you're starting to put words in my mouth jessfr. i'm just not a gun guy and i don't see the need for it.

it feels slightly surreal being pressed to defend my preference to not own a gun.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
you're starting to put words in my mouth jessfr. i'm just not a gun guy and i don't see the need for it.

it feels slightly surreal being pressed to defend my preference to not own a gun.

alasdair
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I don't think I put words in your mouth, I said how it sounded to me, yes that involves an assumption, one that might not be true. But I didn't say that's what you said, I said it's how it sounded to me.

It really doesn't matter, I was just curious cause it seems strange to me. I just don't get why you'd care one way or the other. I mean it's one thing to elect not to have a gun, it's another to actually be disturbed by the very idea of one being in your house that's just sitting there doing nothing. Again, not saying that's what you said, just how it sounds to me. Which is why I asked for clarification.

treezy z said:
I think their are many reasons, such as a mentally ill family member, perhaps it is a personal issue that he would like to keep to himself (not speaking for alasdairm but as a general thing)
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Sure, there are reasons, which is why I asked for clarification. And having a mentally ill family member seems to me to be a pretty good reason not to want a gun in your house (assuing you live with that family member). What I don't get is finding it inheirently undesirable for seemingly no reason at all. And sure, it can be a personal reason, which is fine too, but you gotta say it's a personal reason that you don't wanna talk about before I'm gonna assume you don't wanna talk about it.
 
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