Captain.Heroin
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You could never really know what would happen.
I imagine a lot of people would have a gun and not use it.
Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread
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You could never really know what would happen.
I imagine a lot of people would have a gun and not use it.
Roger&Me
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Name one example in human history where a person wielding a knife killed as many people as he or she could've killed by wielding a gun under similar circumstances. You'll find no such example. Ever.
Roger&Me
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If you think knives are as deadly as guns, you're fucking stupid. No offense, but it's true.
Captain.Heroin
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Though guns were involved in the Rwandan genocide, many of the people died from machetes.
I do believe modern hand guns are much more efficient and quick in killing people.
I concur.
Roger&Me
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I'd bet the entire house on the fact that I own more guns than all of you combined. I just do, I live in a state with basically zero gun-restrictions, and I own a metric fuckton of firearms. Unless you own like thousands of guns, your arsenal is a worthless and flaccid piece of shit compared to mine. Sorry, lol. You can argue against me, that's totally fine, but don't accuse me of being some type of "liberal," because I'm definitely not one.
Captain.Heroin
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I'm guessing Alaska?
JessFR
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You can know what the evidence says. And if you're gonna ignore the evidence on the grounds that it's not some 100% absolute divine truth, then you might as well not do anything to try and improve anything.
JessFR
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How can you give an example comparing reality with a "could have"? And why does it have to be under similar circumstances when no doubt the weapon influences choice of circumstance.
Because it's a biased question to start with. That's why. It has nothing real to contribute. Something real would be evaluating other weapons and crimes committed with them. Comparing mass shootings with bombings, running people over, poisoning, stabbing, and combinations. Asking hard complicated questions.
Just saying "give me an example where someone with a knife killed as many as my imaginary number that they could have killed with a gun that I pulled out of my ass" proves nothing. Mass stabbings HAVE killed large numbers of people similar to guns. Bombings have killed larger numbers than either. The next reply to that is "ooh but those are harder to get/then why do people always use guns blah blah". Which means the original point is now forgotten. And so will the next one be when it's answered. Just skating from one soundbite to the next. That's politics, not intelligent discussion. And fuck politics.
JGrimez
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EVER.
Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html
https://qz.com/741981/japan-is-norm...attack-was-the-worst-mass-assault-since-wwii/
Hey guess what knives are fucking deadly. And silent. You can ninja the fuck out of more people in a crowded area before everyone realizes what's going on and they all flee. The first gunshot in an attack scatters people instantly. (you're also missing the point - "but guns are more deadly" is irrelevant).
That's just like, you opinion, man..
You know what's more effective than guns? Planting bombs! Except calling for less fertilizer in stores would be a fucking stupid thing to say.
You win the argument though because you own the most guns out of everyone here AND you're willing to give them all up. I mean seriously, bravo sir. You are shining beacon of common sense gun control in this country.
swilow
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^Those two anecdotes don't prove anything. The one in China had 8 perpetrators and the Japanese stabbing was done to disabled people restrained and sleeping. Monstrous and awful but relatively pointless.
There are an incredible difference in knife and gun attacks with the most decisive being the inordinately large disparity in rates of attack. Ie. There are way more mass shootings than mass stabbings. Knives are dangerous but have many other uses. Guns are dangerous and that is the point of them. Knives are not always weapons, guns always are.
There are an incredible difference in knife and gun attacks with the most decisive being the inordinately large disparity in rates of attack. Ie. There are way more mass shootings than mass stabbings. Knives are dangerous but have many other uses. Guns are dangerous and that is the point of them. Knives are not always weapons, guns always are.
swilow
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The knife argument is a red herring in the gun debate, dude. No one is running around calling ownership of knives a human right.
JessFR
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Personally I find this whole human right not a human right, guns are made to kill, knives aren't, all a big bullshit distraction. It's all bullshit used to make simplistic arguments that don't require evidence or intelligent discussion. With the "but guns are made to kill" crap it actually reminds me a lot of people who say regarding various prescription drugs that "they weren't designed to be used that way". The entire premise is a misunderstanding of reality. Most drugs are discovered with little or no design like we'd use the word in other contexts involved at all. And arguing that guns are "made to kill" is just as useless an argument. Used to appeal to emotion over reason. A guns a machine. It does what it does. What it's "made for" isn't relevant. By that logic many life saving drugs were evolved by plants as poisons, thus they're inherently and automatically "bad" because "that's what they're for".
Any argument that goes outside the scope of the question. What's best for society? What does the evidence suggest? What are the options? What does the data say, is a distraction.
Unfortunately people suck and distractions make up virtually all of the arguments in virtually any discussion.
as ever, there's a little more to
it than that: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-43628494
for somebody who tends to hold others to such high standards of debate and evidence, i'm surprised to read such a lazy cheap shot from you.
alasdair
JessFR
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Doesn't surprise me in the least. You're absolutely right though. It's an abysmal argument. Another manipulation of statistics. Another simplified argument that appeals to ignorance or emotion.
JGrimez
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Which is kind of my point. There's a lot more to reducing homicides than by calling for stricter gun control (if you're going to call for revising gun laws be very specific with your suggestions)
From the article:
It's obviously not guns, I wonder what it is? Even the experts don't know
Different article
So even though it's just a couple of months, it is worrying that they are even becoming comparable.
Can we think of something apart from changing gun laws that could help reduce homicides?
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JessFR
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I remember when it was all the fault of video games normalizing violence, and bad movies, and rap music, and now it's new media like YouTube and snapchat. And best of all violence has DROPPED over that time frame. Retards.
mal3volent
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ah yes, video games...Marilyn Manson...baggy pants...South Park...
them were the days
I think people just don't feel their humanity any more. We are so disconnected with everything. Just give us our processed shit. If you feel suicidal, might as well go down the street and get a machine gun. Take some people with you. Who cares, the planet is dying anyways. Imbeciles and zealots in charge of everything.
Captain.Heroin
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