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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

Idc. One u tried saying that a handgun was an automatic weapon when majority aren't that's just cancer. U tried denying handguns existed. Cancer.

Two there is referendum to the constitution about guns which makes it illegal so I could give a crap what "news" says. It's tyranny no matter how u wanna slice it
 
undiminished689 said:
One u tried saying that a handgun was an automatic weapon when majority aren't that's just cancer. U tried denying handguns existed. Cancer.
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i think you're struggling to understand because you're obviously not really reading c.h's post. he explicitly referred to "semi-automatic handguns."

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Seems very depressing to me that this thread is up to 48 pages and it's all still the same arguments going round and round. What's the point? Any argument made is forgotten within about 3 pages.

It's kinda a metaphor for society. Society does the same shit, have the same arguments and say the same bs year after year.
 
JessFR said:
Michael Moore is cancer.
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I don’t often agree with you jess, but here we are.

This thread has been the same thing since I first posted here. No one ever changes their minds on this issue. Lefties want a bans which they frame as ‘common sense reform’ and folks on the right think it shall not be infringed but say they are willing to have some common sense reforms. Neither side trusts one another, for good reason, so the whole argument is pointless.

Irl these arguments get much more heated ime. I know this much, I am amassing ammo and firearms in which I will never willingly give up so I’m honestly not too worried, but I have Muh opinions.
 
I'd much prefer real life arguments. At least they have the potential to go somewhere. Arguments here go nowhere. I've pointed out countless times that focusing on gun violence to the exclusion of anything else makes no sense. That measuring gun deaths is pointless because it doesn't tell you if you've saved any lives, cause for all you know other weapons have taken the place of guns and the same or potentially even more people have died with other weapons. So gun violence statistics are bs. I haven't seen anyone argue that this concept is false but neither have I seen it stop anyone from focusing only on gun stats.

Cause the truth is THEY are the gun fetishists. They couldn't give a shit how many people die so long as it's not done with a gun. Just look at the posts pointing out how successful Australia's gun control has been because of all the gun crime stats. Not the crime stats because they have not deviated from ongoing trends. Gun crime stats.

No lives have been saved, but they don't care. So long as it's not done with a gun. They're gun obsessed.

They just cheat with the stats. First they point to gun stats then I point out that the overall stats are unchanged. Then they point out how overall crime has fallen, then I point out how it was already falling for years before 96 and it hasn't deviated from the trend. Then it gets complicated enough that the subject is dropped then in a couple pages they pull out the gun stats again. Fuck it, fuck this whole thread. It's not even that new people show up and haven't read the old posts, many here have been here the whole thread. I'm sick of this repetitive parroting bullshit.

Not just from the antigun types, if I hear "shall not be infringed" parroted one more time I'm gonna lose it. I think ive just had enough of this thread.

Oh and speaking of cheating with the stats, it shouldn't surprise you that I hate Michael Moore. He's one of the biggest cheaters around. And worse still he does it knowingly. He's the worst type of ends justify the means liars. His whole way of operating is to spread deception. I'd hate him on principle no matter what his beliefs were for that reason. There are some things I somewhat agree with him politically on. But I'll never support someone who believes it's OK to intentionally deceive people and misrepresent the truth because the ends justify the means politically.
 
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Yeah but you don't make quoting it 90% of your post.

Also the edits dated the same time as your post so dunno if you saw but I added the reasons I hate Michael Moore. It's not what he believes but how he advocates it, he's the worst of the dishonest manipulators. Using selective editing and deceptive statistics to spread lies cause he thinks the ends justify the means.

There are right ways and wrong ways to advocate for a point of view and Michael Moore is synonymous to me with the wrong way.
 
I think any country that has any form of gun either legally or illegally found on it will have misuse of said weapon.

No law or regulation will guarantee all people will be of sound mind and only use guns in a way that is for other non lethal self defense or whatever. They will be easier to keep track of and they should be kept track of.


Also the murder- suicide attempt prior to the one on WA was a few streets away from my house in Cairns in 2014. The mother of 7 kids smothered the youngest first then bashed and stabbed the older kids and also killed her niece.


Fact is people will mass murder and are more likely to be able to kill many more as daily stresses, society and the world gets more complicated. Also more likely to kill many where there are guns readily availabke and even more likely where having guns is more important than preserving lives.


Australia banning automatics and semiautomatics was a good thing. Making all gun licensing mandatory is a good thing. Its called taking responsibility for having been able to bear arms. Got a gun? Have a license. Whats the hassle?
 
"If we focus on mass shootings as a means of understanding how to reduce the number of people killed by guns in this country, we?re likely to implement laws that don?t do what we want them to do ? and miss opportunities to make changes that really work. Gun violence isn?t one problem, it?s many. And it probably won?t have a single solution, either."

-Maggie Koerth-Baker
 
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article211234079.html

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Now that I graduated from @KentState, I can finally arm myself on campus. I should have been able to do so as a student- especially since 4 unarmed students were shot and killed by the government on this campus. #CampusCarryNow
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I imagine the pro-guns people love her.
 
swilow said:
You and Jesse have said a few times that 'non-American's shouldn't comment on the issue' and I really don't agree. It just seems like a means to kill the debate. I mean, we are not actively doing anything about the issue here, we're talking about it on a fucken drug website. In terms of quality discussion, I don't see the harm in varied opinions.
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It's not so much that I have an inherent problem with non-Americans expressing opinions about American social and political issues. The problem I have isn't simply that you're not American so you don't get to have an opinion.

You're right, that's a bullshit way to shut down debate. That's not my issue here. My issue is people who make comments and give opinions when they clearly don't understand the situation and the complex social contexts. Or don't understand how the laws work.

Or, express their opinion in a way that creates a competitive atmosphere to it, like where someone outright says "why cant Americans see the obvious" thus massively over generalizing and outright ignoring the possibility that they can see the argument and honestly disagree.

And obviously all these things are much more likely to come from foreigners than anyone else.

If someones a foreigner but has lived in America for a long time, id have no problem with them giving their opinion. Because they understand what they're talking about. They're giving their opinion from a position of understanding the subtle social environment.

For example, you have people who think all Americans are gun nuts, you have people who think you can easily just go buy an automatic weapon no questions asked. You have people with no grasp of the internal political gun debate. These are all examples of ignorance that makes debate frustrating and largely pointless. And personally I get quite frustrated by people who insist on both having and giving an opinion when they haven't bothered learning the details and the background. You don't HAVE to have an opinion on everything. And if you can't be fucked to learn about the subject, don't then give an opinion on it.

And again, it's also very frustrating to hear people who in other contexts get outraged by what they see as Americans bossing other countries around, basically saying what Americans should do.

Take people who say "Americans need to give up their guns". Imagine if an American told that person that their country needs to do something, they'd fucking lose their minds. It's totally hypocritical.

That's my problem here. It's not that ALL foreigners can't have an opinion, it's that most of the time I don't think they have sufficient knowledge and standing to rightfully express their opinion. If the individual lives in America and has for years, that's totally different, far as I'm concerned that have as much right to give their opinion as anyone else. So it's not as simple as just being a foreigner.
 
"Did you know:

There were two school shootings prevented by armed guard this week. But that barely got any media coverage.
Instead the focus is on the carnage, and the narrative is now that guns need to be taken away.
The news manipulates minds to advance a gun control agenda."
 
^ What happened with the 2 incidents? Tbh the gory stories are headline grabbers but headlines dont last, memories fade and theres never going to be the perfect time to implement gun control- if having a license is too much to ask them yeah its not going to get any better.

Armed guards and metal detectors are a good idea but cost money.

Hmm maybe license revenue could pay for it.
 
^ It's not going to get any better, not anytime soon at least. Not until people like Emma Gonzalez start voting and start running for public office, and even then I have my doubts about whether it will happen or not. I ran into a former college student who was all fired up about Bernie and I asked her if she was registered to vote and she sheepishly admitted she wasn't. But hey, maybe I'm just being cynical since I saw the flip side of the coin teaching at a medium-size state university in the midwest that was noted for its activism.

Anyhoo, I'm so glad my ex and I weren't able to have children. I wouldn't send them to public school. I'd have them at home doing virtual school. It happens all the time and everywhere now, not just in major population centers. Even though the news coverage of the massacre in Texas was overwhelming, hardly anyone was talking about the shooting that ended with a fatality after a graduation ceremony in suburban Atlanta. And I'm glad I'm mostly content to watch DVDs at home or go to movies at the arthouse so I don't have to worry about being shot up in a crowded movie theater (call it a stereotype, but the arthouse crowd just doesn't seem terribly unbalanced or violent), and I've always hated nightclubs so no issue there.

Meanwhile, I am content to sequester myself behind the gates of my condominium community until retirement, and after that, maybe a remote mountain cabin somewhere in the central Appalachians.
 
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