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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

The state confiscating ?illegal? weapons by force from the vendors and law abiding citizens.

Can?t have a gun that?s illegal with the states knowledge they will take it
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
When has any previous ban resulted in confiscation?
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in Australia. The place that liberals compare to the future gun-free american utopia paradise.

If the Left get their wish and ban "assault rifles", then how exactly would the govt go about acquiring all those firearms?
 
JGrimez said:
in Australia. The place that liberals compare to the future gun-free american utopia paradise.

If the Left get their wish and ban "assault rifles", then how exactly would the govt go about acquiring all those firearms?
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They don?t want to confiscate atm. They just want another ?assault? weapons ban. Even though they are responsible for an extremely small amount of gun crime. If we Gave then that you better believe hand guns are next on the chopping block. I don?t know about you but no one is ever getting my rifles. I?m about to get 10 noveski lowers for like 700. Stock up brother, also get as many p mags as you can get your hands on. The more guns in private hands, the safer we are, as the safer out personal liberties we so enjoy are. We give them up, and we will be charged for social media posts like they are in the UK.
 
JGrimez said:
in Australia. The place that liberals compare to the future gun-free american utopia paradise.

If the Left get their wish and ban "assault rifles", then how exactly would the govt go about acquiring all those firearms?
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Ironic then that it was actually Australia's right wing party that did that.

I'll be honesty I'm taking this thread less and less seriously over time.
 
People do love the mental illness card. I've heard the gun nuts repeat many times the one where Freud supposedly says a fear of weapons is a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity. Never been able to find any evidence he ever actually said that. And even if he did, let's face it he said a lot of shit that was eventually discredited. But that's the rumor anyway.

It's an old trick. If you wanna easily discredit someone you accuse them of being crazy. What's very unfortunate is that the line between true insanity and a normal person is really very thin. Normal people believe all sorts of crazy shit.
 
I'd call fear of weapons irrational. But in no way different for countless other irrational fears. Fear isn't generally a helpful emotion anyway but if you're gonna be afraid in the context of weapons it should be focused on the one wielding them. I suppose you can fear a weapon in the sense of how it further enables the primary fear of a person or persons, but fearing an object that can't operate without a mind in control is irrational. But it's all acedemic, all I was pointing out was the ulterior motives in mocking such fears.
 
JGrimez said:
Australia has uniform gun laws but the US does not.
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That statement alone is not true.

Jess, there is nothing irrational about fear of guns. I think that's a silly statement.
Guns kill people.
The only purpose guns have is killing, or threatening to kill.
 
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spacejunk said:
That statement alone is not true.
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Feel free to explain why. There was a lot more to the point I was making

spacejunk said:
The only purpose guns have is killing, or threatening to kill.
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That's what keeps societies together and countries from being invaded. The threat of force. It is necessary.
The argument is between people who believe only the state should be able to defend themselves, and the ones who think the people should be able to also.
Are you cautioning us against a potentially tyrannical state, or are you saying it's a ridiculous concept?
 
spacejunk said:
That statement alone is not true.

Jess, there is nothing irrational about fear of guns. I think that's a silly statement.
Guns kill people.
The only purpose guns have is killing, or threatening to kill.
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I think what you just said is silly. And hey that's not meant personally, just as a comment on what you just said. A gun, like many machines, is well, a machine. Like many it can kill people very easily. But it can do absolutely nothin by itself. So fearing a gun, or any machine in itself, is just silly. You can argue that having a gun makes someone you already feared more frightening, but fearing the gun as a gun is just stupid.

Arguing it's designed to kill, yes that's arguably a difference, but why does that difference make any difference? It's still a machine that can't do anything on its own. Fearing people, again I think in some respects is a little unhelpful, but to the extent that that's pretty normal, you're fearing a mind. And a gun has no mind to fear. You might feel more fear of someone for having a gun, but that's still fearing a person not an object.

I said it's arguably a difference because design is a question of perspective. A gun is designed to detonate a cartridge. Arguably the cartridge is the part designed specifically to kill, but even that is somewhat misleading since many are designed for most to incapacitate with little consideration to actually killing the person one way or the other. If a bullet is less likely to kill but more likely to incapacitate a target, that's generally the intended purpose for the entire law enforcement and self defense market. Even in military that can still be a goal since injuring a person without killing them deplete enemy resources. For most purposes a gun is intended to disable with little regard to death. If someone is as good as dead but can still kill you that's not very useful.

My point is, all of this is just perception. It's in your head. It has little objective basis in reality. Arguably the same could be said somewhat for fear itself.

It's like fearing a nuclear bomb. You're afraid of physics. Don't fear physics, if you must fear, fear the reasons they might get used. But this is why I said it's not helpful. What's helpful is understanding the situation so good decisions can be made, and fear is nothing if not a cause of poor decisions.
 
swilow said:
As useful to this discussion as the relationship between conservatives and low IQ.

Seriously though. Drop the ridiculous insults or stop participating here.
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This would actually be wrong again because people with low IQs are more likely to have mental illness so in correlation to that by default liberals would have lower IQs.

It may seem extreme but the fact is guns and the 2nd amendment are designed to protect us from the government case and point. The American revolution was won because they had the same technology and weapons as the army they were facing. They didn?t win that war with blunderbusses.

When I make this argument and there?s back lash against it?s a complete willful ignorance of what happens when the state has the guns and how this leads to tyranny, genocide, and authoritarian state. That?s why I start bringing out the mental illness statistics and bashing on liberals because willful ignorance or cognitive dissonance are some of the first signs of mental illness
 
This would actually be wrong again because people with low IQs are more likely to have mental illness so in correlation to that by default liberals would have lower IQs.
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I'm actually a little at a loss for words at how stunningly illogical and backwards that comment it. It's actually a little impressive.
 
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