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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

LandsUnknown said:
Guns of any kind shouldn't be taken away from anybody (unless they make threats and thus not only need to have their guns taken away but also Baker acted as well), but access to assault weapons should be limited to people who have some sort of legitimate need for them. Of course, this is a very, very small group of people. Even the police do not carry assault weapons. So, the only people who would have a legitimate need for them would be the owners of gun ranges and people who are dedicated gun enthusiasts who genuinely are using the weapon for sporting purposes. I believe in 2nd amendment rights and all, it is in the constitution, but I feel that there are certain types of guns that the general public should have access to (e.g. handguns and hunting rifles/low caliber rifles for shooting vermin) and anything else should be sold only to those who have a legitimate need for such weapons. And for the love of God, if someone sends a tip to the FBI about someone threatening to commit mass violence, why the hell would that person somehow be able to purchase a weapon. If someone makes such threats, not only should they be banned from owning a gun but they should be baker acted/sectioned as well.
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But we already tried it in the 90s. Go research 8t for yourself, it didn't make society any safer. So why are we doing it again?

It's a rhetorical question, I know why. It's because people don't really understand the situation and it just seems like common sense to them. But they're wrong, they don't realize how much they don't know and that reality isn't like their imagination. People are always doing that.

No bid can even explain coherently what an assault weapon is. When it's discussed sensibly the best anyone can seem to get to is its a scarier word for high capacity magazines and semiautomatic rifles, that's it. At most, it means that. You're never gonna be able to ban all semiautomatic rifles in America, and just banning the scary looking ones is retarded. And we already tried banning magazines over 10 rounds and that didn't work, why would it when a semiautomatic takes seconds to reload and most spree shooters are carrying multiple weapons. The dynamics of the situation are such that it has no effect.

God peoples short sightedness, ignorant assumptions, forgetfulness if history, it's all so depressing. Is it any wonder nothing gets fixed.
 
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When Columbine happened we saw video evidence of who the shooters were.
Lately they've not been forthcoming with the same kind of footage.
We don't need to see gore, all the public needs is a few seconds of video proof of the shooter to put any crazy theories to rest.
 
^I disagree. Generally bullet riddled corpses suffice.

Crazy theories are not worth entertaining when the majority of the evidence demonstrates their invalidity from the outset.

If someone told me they were mugged, I wouldn't be all like fuck no you didn't until you upload it and receive some likes to provide validation. I'd just say that's fucked, are you okay? Social media has really warped notions of truth in very disturbing ways.

The government can't do fuck all about taxation but can seemingly concoct multiple mass shootings out of thin air?
 
JGrimez said:
When Columbine happened we saw video evidence of who the shooters were.
Lately they've not been forthcoming with the same kind of footage.
We don't need to see gore, all the public needs is a few seconds of video proof of the shooter to put any crazy theories to rest.
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Bullshit. When that proof comes out then the theorists claim the guy is brainwashed or that it's fake or some other excuse.

The theories already are totally stupid and beyond any sane level of skepticism so it makes absolutely no difference what the evidence is because such people believe whatever they want to believe.

One more time, it doesn't even make sense to fake them because no gun control ever actually materializes because of it. There's no way there will be gun control under a trump presidency anyway. Yet it keeps happening. It's bullshit and if you believe it you are so detached from common sense I for one will dismiss what you say without question because personally I've already wasted more than enough time on it.
 
Man you should check out the abuse the families receive online. It's disgusting and makes you wanna see the whole human race burn. Or it does to me anyway. How would you like to have just lost your teenage son or daughter and have scumbags online tell you "you're such a bad actor why don't you tell people the truth you know you're lying!".

Thing is, people this crazy have always existed, but the rise of the internet and social media has given them the realization that there are lots of other crazy people out there and now they have the strength of numbers to make them crazier. Crazy attracts crazy.
 
swilow said:
Crazy theories are not worth entertaining when the majority of the evidence demonstrates their invalidity from the outset.
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Except this time it isn't a crazy theory I just labeled it as such.
2 eyewitness accounts:

From a student:
Alexa Miednik: ...we were walking, the whole class together, I actually was speaking to the suspect Nikolaus Cruz. And as I was speaking to him, he seemed very... he was trouble in middle school so I kinda joked to him about it and said "I'm surprised you weren't the one who did it" and he just gave me a "huh"?

Interviewer: You were walking down the hall, he had already fired at that time?

Alexa: Yes sir, with him.

Interviewer: Weren't you scared?

Alexa: In the moment I wasn't because there was obviously definitely another shooter involved.

Interviewer: You think he was not the only one?

Alexa: No, definitely not.

Interviewer: Why do you say that?

Alexa: Because when shots were fired, I saw him after the fact. And the shots were coming from the other part of the building. So there definitely had to be 2 shooters involved, I believe.
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And a teacher:
Stacey Lippel said:
..and then I suddenly saw the shooter. about 20 feet from me, standing at the end of the hallway, actively shooting down the hallway, just a barrage of bullets. And I'm staring at him thinking: "Why is the police here? This is strange because he's in full metal garb. Helmet, face mask, bulletproof armor. Shooting this rifle that I've never seen before"
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swilow said:
If someone told me they were mugged, I wouldn't be all like fuck no you didn't until you upload it and receive some likes to provide validation. I'd just say that's fucked, are you okay? Social media has really warped notions of truth in very disturbing ways.
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And if eyewitnesses told you the above, how would you respond?

JessFR said:
The theories already are totally stupid and beyond any sane level of skepticism so it makes absolutely no difference what the evidence is because such people believe whatever they want to believe.
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Do you have anything to say to the eyewitness testimony? That's an open question for anyone. Also:

42 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-08/42-admitted-false-flag-attacks
 
Not interested. And eye witnesses are one of the most unreliable sources of information that exists. I don't care what they say in the slightest.

I'll say it again, and again, and again. There is no motive for conspiracy because the gun control never happens. It's just flawed human perceptions seeing things that don't exist.

I have to deal with this retarded insanity in real life enough as it is and I've already dedicated more time than I wish I ever have giving the benefit of the doubt to people who I knew from the start had no ability to think rationally. I'm not doing it online. I'd be quite happy if bluelight banned all political conspiracy discussion of this type. But that's not my call to make.

Free speech is not the same as a right to an audience. You can think I'm sticking my head in the sand, just as I am positive I understand the flawed reasoning and cognitive misunderstandings in how the human mind works to understand why people believe it. And that's very frustrating but beyond my control. But it is what it is.
 
JessFR said:
Not interested. And eye witnesses are one of the most unreliable sources of information that exists. I don't care what they say in the slightest.
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You don't care what someone has to say who saw the shooter? Alright let's just trust law enforcement's official story. The guys that were waiting outside with guns refusing to enter and save children being murdered.

JessFR said:
I'll say it again, and again, and again. There is no motive for conspiracy because the gun control never happens. It's just flawed human perceptions seeing things that don't exist.
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Because it hasn't been successful yet, that's your justification for completely ignoring any alleged attempts? Faulty logic.
Random mass shootings create fear and panic. The goal is swaying public opinion, and it's hard to deny that more children getting shot increases the number of supporters joining the call for gun control. Look how organized and insistent this recent push is.

JessFR said:
I have to deal with this retarded insanity in real life enough as it is and I've already dedicated more time than I wish I ever have giving the benefit of the doubt to people who I knew from the start had no ability to think rationally. I'm not doing it online. I'd be quite happy if bluelight banned all political conspiracy discussion of this type. But that's not my call to make.
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Posting the exact words of eyewitnesses of the shooting is political conspiracy discussion? It was a student and a teacher that witnessed a shooter decked out in SWAT gear and heard shots in another building while standing next to the alleged shooter.
And JessFR your tone is really condescending. I'm not an insane retard.

JessFR said:
Free speech is not the same as a right to an audience. You can think I'm sticking my head in the sand, just as I am positive I understand the flawed reasoning and cognitive misunderstandings in how the human mind works to understand why people believe it. And that's very frustrating but beyond my control. But it is what it is.
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Free speech means you're welcome to criticize the argument. Although I think that criticizing the cognitive ability of someone is an adhom
 
Yep, it's attacking the person not the argument. Cause as I said I'm not interested in discussing the argument. Done it too many times already and nothing you've said makes me think it would go any differently this time.

And no, faulty logic is assuming that there are people who are crazy competent enough to actually pull off these school shootings as a conspiracy and not be caught but also dumb enough to think "well it didn't work any other time, and with the current president it's only less likely to work now, but let's do it again and risk a serious mistake that gets us caught all over again!"

Told you, not interested in an in depth discussion of the merits. If someone else is that's fine, and I'm not a mod so I can't stop you trying to do that here or anywhere else. It's not my problem. I just don't wanna be part of it myself. That's all.
 
Don?t let them get to you JGrimz let the sheep be sheep.

David Hogg wasn?t even in the school that day and yet he is the front line witness to it. It?s not to say the school shootings didn?t happen but the FBI/state have their hands all bloody. Just like when Columbine happened the police just sat outside and let it happen.

The State is truly disgusting.
 
undiminished689 said:
Don?t let them get to you JGrimz let the sheep be sheep.

David Hogg wasn?t even in the school that day and yet he is the front line witness to it. It?s not to say the school shootings didn?t happen but the FBI/state have their hands all bloody. Just like when Columbine happened the police just sat outside and let it happen.

The State is truly disgusting.
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Yep, I don?t get how you can claim to be a ?survivor? when you hopped on your bike to get to the school to interview people about the shooting. I have not said a single thing about any of the others, but Hogg is putting himself in the middle of controversy by attacking people on Twitter and using the invincibility cloak of being a ?child? to push his potential career and agenda. Also I?ve been reading /pol/ this morning apparently these parkland kids are teaming up with shareblue/correct the record to make a ?meme lab?. The folks on the site have already figured out where it is, but I don?t think they are worried about the memes. I saw some of them, and they were terrible just as one might expect. I swear that board is easily the most interesting read on the internet.

OT: I was reading here sitting on the floor and saw under my bed and I found a 30 round mag for my glock 40 I?ve been looking for for ages. Thank you Cep
 
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