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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2018 Thread

Broward country cops are retarded? I know that one from experience. But more sensibly you shouldn't let people in until you're completely sure there are no other shooters and that no bombs have been planted so that could be why. You also don't generally take people's rights away based on a tip off. There's this thing called due process.

And I already told you I'm not interested. It's retarded. And yes fox News is retarded too.

If you wanna talk about the gun control aspect that's fine but I think you'll find anything else is off topic. If you wanna argue we should be able to have guns cause the cops suck, go ahead, I feel quite sympathetic to that view. But soon as you start talking conspiracy it becomes retarded bullshit that most here rightfully seem to hold in contempt.
 
His Sister Died In Parkland. He Wanted To Speak At The March But Was Not Allowed ?

Meadow died saving and shielding her fellow classmates. Andrew has spent the following weeks as a one-man wrecking crew, advocating for safer schools and getting legislation passed. Hunter, Andrew?s son and Meadow?s brother, wanted to speak on Saturday at the March For Our Lives, in Meadow?s honor and in spite of his anti-gun control stance. Andrew says the organizers decided not to allow Hunter to speak at the last minute
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https://www.facebook.com/JoeTalkShow/videos/10160553482035019/
 
I find it interesting that only 3 of all those shooters were female. Yet nobody says perhaps we should just ban men from having guns. Nope, gotta be everyone.

Society is so much less sexist when it means women are gonna get screwed too.

Like with cars. Men make up most of the stupid behavior done by young inexperienced drivers but they increase the legal restrictions for everyone.
 
alasdairm said:
are you suggesting you'd be accepting of a law to ban only men from having guns?

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No. I'm saying that it seems like bullshit to me that people decide to ban everyone from doing or having access to something when clearly only one subgroup is actually doing anything wrong.

The whole concept of banning anything at all can still be flawed. But for arguments sake, if you were gonna ban something. Why include a large number of people who can easily be told apart when their group makes up virtually none of the problem.
 
is there a solution or suggestions to fix this problem that doesn't include gun control or restrictions?
 
tathra said:
which isnt banning people from having guns. like i said, nobody says that, you even admit it right here.
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Uhh. If you ban people having certain guns you ban them having certain guns. The point is still the same regardless. I think you're just being pedantic. Again, why ban any guns to people generally if only a one subgroup makes up the harm being done with them. Why wouldn't you just ban that subgroup if you had to ban at all.

My original point was how it makes no sense to ban so called assault weapons from everyone if only one group is responsible. You then said nobody is suggesting that. I then said that they clearly are. Then you said "but that's not Banning all guns" like the original point was about nobody suggesting all guns be banned. Which it wasn't. You said nobody is suggesting we gotta ban certain classes of guns from everyone as opposed to particular problem groups. They in fact clearly are. You just changed it later to saying nobody is saying we gotta ban All guns. Seems to me you're just being contrary even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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BREAKING: The US Government has reveleaed that Pulse Night Club shooter Omar Mateen?s father was an @FBI informant from 2005-2016! And at one point based on a tip tried to raise and transfer $50k-$100 overseas to contribute to an attack against the Pakistani govt.
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This is potentially very important. Looks like there may be something to these conspiracy theories.

Mueller and Comey implicated
 
Well that's a bunch of bullshit. By that logic in other countries where only cops have guns or cops and hunters have guns, those groups should have long taken over society. Seriously that's a huge crazy big stretch.

There's no good reason to disarm the entire population for the action of a subgroup. And nearly all the gun crime is committed by men. A very tiny exception doesn't mean "oh well there exists an exception and so no matter how crazy rare it is that renders the entire argument false".

It's bullshit. Either disarm nobody or confine it to the groups actually responsible.
 
No one is trying to disarm people of all guns. Having more sensible gun control is not the same as taking everybody's guns. Suggesting we don't allow large magazine semiautomatic rifles and bump stocks and stuff like that is not the same as saying we shouldn't have any guns. I agree there is an underlying problem that gun violence is just the symptom of (IMO it's largely the eroding of the middle class that's been progressing since Reagan). But it seems to me that if we could make it less easy to get semiautomatic rifles into peoples' hands (you can go to a fucking gun show and get one no questions asked anytime you want), the potential for the number of deaths would be decreased.

Meanwhile, and this is kind of a total 180 I guess, but yeah, all this intense rhetoric about gun control and other hot-button issues is distracting from the real, core issue, which is that super-wealthy people and their corporations are trying to turn the rest of us into indentured servants to line their own pockets. It's fucking frustrating, and scary, and it's no wonder people are freaked out about it. And the more we bicker about this and that, the more they move behind the scenes without people noticing. It's a smokescreen, and it's working.
 
JessFR said:
Like with cars. Men make up most of the stupid behavior done by young inexperienced drivers but they increase the legal restrictions for everyone.
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When was the last time you drove on a road next to teenage girls? It's fuckin' terrifying... the advent of smartphones really fucked us all that way.
 
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Even if you just say you're banning assault weapons, what is good reason to ban them from everyone rather than just the specific subgroups that make up nearly all of the crime involving them?

Just to be clear, I've said repeatedly I think banning assault weapons is stupid, for many reasons but most pressingly because it's already been tried and failed. So I'm not saying that's anything I think should happen. I'm saying IF it were something that should happen, why should it be banned for everyone when only certainly easily distinguished groups are responsible for the problems. Why is that OK?

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When was the last time young drove on a road next teenage girls? It's fuckin' terrifying... the advent of smartphones really fucked us all that way.
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I'm mainly referring to a very specific kind of bad driving behavior that tends to be almost all young males. But I'll admit it was poorly worded as an example on my part. It was just meant as an example of the same kind of phenomenon though.
 
I understand, I just wanted to point out that the dangers posed by texting and driving are much more significant than the offhand teenage boy speeding or driving aggressively. You're much more likely to die from any teenager hitting you while texting than you are from a boy who's driving a little wacky.
 
Kyle Kashuv is a conservative student who also survived the Parkland shooting.

Kyle Kashuv said:
Cameron Kasy said:
To all people who think they need an assault rifle: I can not promise this, but I truly do not believe the redcoats will be coming for any of us anytime soon.
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Read Federalist 46; an armed population isn't just designed to defeat tyranny, but to deter anyone from trying to instigate tyranny. As far as the notion that inferior weaponry can't do damage to superior armed forces, see Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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Eagles of Death Metal frontman Jesse Hughes, who survived a terrorist attack at the Bataclan in Paris that left more than 90 people dead, lashed out at the March for Our Lives and the Parkland students advocating for increased gun control measures, calling the movement "pathetic" and exploitative.

"The Whitney Houston song about letting the children lead the way wasn?t actually had [sic] operating paradigm for life..... And when the truth don?t line up with your bull***t narrative just hold your breath and stamp your feet and refused [sic] to except [sic] it.... then take multiple days off of school playing hooky at the expense of 16 [sic] of your classmates blood....!.... it might be funny if it wasn?t so pathetic and disgusting......? Hughes said in a post that has now been removed, according to the Daily Beast.

He went on: "As the survivor of a mass shooting I can tell you from first-hand experience that all of you protesting and taking days off from school insult the memory of those who were killed and abuse and insult me and every other lover of liberty by your every action..... Long Live Rock?n?Roll..... and may everyone [sic] of these disgusting vile abusers of the dead live as long as possible so they can have the maximum amount of time to endure their shame.... and be Cursed....?
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Leftists lashed out at Hughes, calling his postings "inappropriate," and suggesting that he remove them out of respect for the Parkland survivors. Hughes appears to have relented; only one of several posts remains active.

Interestingly enough, many of the same people attacking Hughes for his Instagram posts defended the Parkland students as unassailable, largely because they had just experienced - and survived - a mass shooting. As victims, their voices are worth more, it seems, than those seeking to exercise their Constitutional right to protect themselves. But the same deference wasn't afforded to Hughes - perhaps because, in surviving a mass shooting, he became an advocate for principles unpopular with all the "right" people.
 
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