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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Las Veghost grower said:
Well then you stay unarmed since it’s “very very close to zero percent” I’ll stay armed ;) It’s just not a gamble I’m willing to make…you know what els is really close to zero percent ? Your chance of dying from COVID but I bet you ran out and got vaccinated ha
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That's an odd assumption to make 🤔
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Well then you stay unarmed since it’s “very very close to zero percent” I’ll stay armed ;) It’s just not a gamble I’m willing to make…you know what els is really close to zero percent ? Your chance of dying from COVID but I bet you ran out and got vaccinated ha
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Ye that is i must take anabols,cause i am bodybuilder and anyone do it....so to have a chance for competition you must take it.....and absolutely can't understand people,who take those meds without to be proffy bodybuilders just to gain quick results.Quick food,quick relationships(means-not at all,absolute false),quick money,TV-shows......what a fake....this modern world.It's a total loneliness and alienation
 
alasdairm said:
but, with due respect, 19 dead children and 2 dead adults at robb elementary, 20 dead children and 6 dead adults at sandy hook, etc. is the price society pays so that you (plural) can have a gun, right?

so, on some level, it's more important that those people died and americans have guns than they lived and americans don't?

alasdair
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Your talking like taking law abiding citizens guns will also get rid of all the illegal guns too, guns will still be available and someone planning something that fucked up will definitely be able to find a illegal gun….
 
Ron Paul thinks that if there is one group who should be disarmed, it's federal agents.
I tend to agree.
Probably already stated but the media will present a story one way to try to disarm americans.
We have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves against tyranny.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
Your talking like taking law abiding citizens guns will also get rid of all the illegal guns too, guns will still be available and someone planning something that fucked up will definitely be able to find a illegal gun….
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Yep, because the prohibition of alcohol and drugs was so famously successful. Let's try this approach again. :rolleyes:
 
alasdairm said:
so, on some level, it's more important that those people died and americans have guns than they lived and americans don't?
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If I have to paint it black and white like that, then yeah I think my (and others) right to own whatever the hell we want is more important.

What happened in Uvalde, and all the other school shootings, is horrific. I don’t wish death upon children. But taking away our rights isn’t going to stop people from murdering children. Should we start searching every rural property for the bodies of all the kids who’ve been kidnapped, raped, and murdered over the years since well before semi-automatic weapons even existed? Psychopaths are everywhere.

I want the kids to be safe at school, but I don’t see why that has anything to do with the rights of law abiding citizens to own whatever they want.

Should the legal purchase age go up? Yeah. Should we instill minor waiting periods? For sure. Should we expand background checks? Definitely. Should we have red flag laws? Depends on how they’re enforced, I have a feeling they may become the new “swatting” approach when you hate someone but don’t have the balls to fight them. If your parents and wife testify you’re not in a good state of mind and they’re worried, yeah read lag laws would be good. But I worry about how broad red flag laws might be interpreted. Should we have licensing for carrying handguns? Absolutely, it’s not an undue burden upon citizens and it helps put you into the FBI database so they can be sure if you’ve committed a crime with your gun. Should LTCs be ‘shall issue’? Definitely, the NYC law will (and should be, it infringes on 2A rights heavily) struck down. Should we bar ‘mentally I’ll’ people from owning guns? I’m not sure, like with the red flag laws that could be a good thing or very bad. If someone has ADD are they then disqualified? Or being treated by your GP with a psychiatric substanceoff-label? The mental health thing is a slippery slope. I’m all for keeping guns out of the hands of actual lunatics but just because someone sees a counselor weekly for stress or depression doesn’t mean their rights should be taken from them.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
Yep, because the prohibition of alcohol and drugs was so famously successful. Let's try this approach again. :rolleyes:
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Exactly. I find it odd that people on a forum for drug users are against God given rights. Y’all know that there’s lots of folks out there that would love to make all drugs 100% illegal death penalty for use right? It’s practically already like that in the justice system; 20 to life for dealing? It’s wrong and we all agree on that.

So I’m a little confused how anyone who is pro-legalization/anti-prohibition can turn around and say “a whole population of people shouldn’t have rights because sometimes people die.” Yeah, people die from drugs too you know, far more than from guns. And I 100% believe drugs don’t kill people, people kill people. No one ODs on ‘accident’ for the most part, they know the risks they’re taking with their life and they ignore them.

Just seems a little hypocritical from my perspective.
 
School shootings really are terrible...any time innocent children die it is a tragedy. As adults we accept the fact that any day could be our last, but it shouldn't be that way for kids.

I just tire of the same old emotionally charged arguments every time after this happens. It's really unfair to ask CG? if he thinks his constitutional right to own a gun is more important than children not dying. That isn't an honest attempt to solve any kind of problem, it's just a cheap way to demonize your opponent.

Personally, I wouldn't care if all guns were banned besides hunting rifles and handguns. And for the handguns I think we ought to have a strict gun license requirement, similar to driver's licenses and the DMV. Bump the legal age up to 21. If you can't drink or rent a car you shouldn't be able to buy a handgun.

BUT we need to be honest about what that would entail and the process it would take. You can't just say DO SOMETHING OMG THE CHILDREN! What's going to happen when the government tells gun manufacturers they can't produce any more AR 15s? How will citizens respond when they hear about the mandatory buybacks and what's gonna happen when they refuse?

Because its not as simple as congress passing a bill to ban guns, then poof all guns are gone.
 
mal3volent said:
What's going to happen when the government tells gun manufacturers they can't produce any more AR 15s? How will citizens respond when they hear about the mandatory buybacks and what's gonna happen when they refuse?
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I don't think it would be pretty. I'd definitely be out protesting, if not joining a militia at that point.

Honest to God I buy a lot of the guns I own because I see impending ATF legislation coming down the pipe. Oh you don't want me to have pistol braces on my AR? Okay, then I'ma buy one immediately before y'all make up your mind. Oh the Democrats passed legislation (that will fail, but still) to ban standard capacity magazines? Looks like I'm buying a few dozen magazines now so I'll be good for life.

Y'all know I'm very liberal about lots of things. I'm 100% pro-abortion, I believe all drugs should be legal, I'm 100% on board with universal healthcare, critical infrastructure, quality public schools. I want the nation to be safe and free just as much as anyone else does. In the end though, every single person fixates on one issue, usually whatever right of theirs they feel is being infringed. I've gotten used to being an illicit drug user, but I can do that at home where no one else knows and the risks of using but not dealing are very, very low; whereas if I owned illicit firearms, where the hell would I shoot them? I'd have to find some private land. Even then I'd have to hope my neighbor wouldn't hear semi-automatic fire. It's literally and figuratively 'louder' than the dankest of weed lol, try and cover up sonic booms...

So for me, the issue that has pushed me ever so slightly to the right/libertarian side is the government's attempts to rob us of drugs and guns. Only one party wants to rob us of guns though... so I guess, I'm a Republican now? *shudders* Democratic legislation on drugs has been draconian, Joe Biden himself pushed through those bullshit laws in the 90s which not only curtailed all Americans' rights, but also sent thousands more drug users to jail over simple possession.

 
Las Veghost grower said:
How many of those statistics are based off of illegal gun ? And if you want to hope someone willing to break into your house isn’t going to hurt your family that’s on you, I’ll protect myself
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My mom used to own a .38 caliber pistol, which she got as protection, at the urging of a gun-loving friend of hers.

She took a gun safety class and she kept it in her bedside table-- we never have any kids in the house.

About 6 months after she got it, our house was burglarized while we were gone. Most break-ins occur when the residents are away. Burglars don't want confrontations.

One of the items stolen was her gun.

So, it did us no good and now it's out there somewhere in the hands of a criminal.

Feel safer? I don't.
 
jasperkent said:
My mom used to own a .38 caliber pistol, which she got as protection, at the urging of a gun-loving friend of hers.

She took a gun safety class and she kept it in her bedside table-- we never have any kids in the house.

About 6 months after she got it, our house was burglarized while we were gone. Most break-ins occur when the residents are away. Burglars don't want confrontations.

One of the items stolen was her gun.

So, it did us no good and now it's out there somewhere in the hands of a criminal.

Feel safer? I don't.
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It’s generally a good idea to keep your guns in a bolted down safe, or at the very least hide your gun when your out of town
 
Yeah I was gonna say, safe storage practices are still important. If I’m home yeah I leave a handgun on my nightstand. If I leave town I hide everything in my safe.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Yeah I was gonna say, safe storage practices are still important. If I’m home yeah I leave a handgun on my nightstand. If I leave town I hide everything in my safe.
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All my guns are always in the safe, I actually run drills from time to time getting my pistol out of the safe, it takes me less than 10 seconds to get it out and ready to go
 
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