Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

[December Flower]

I think when a lot of people talk about "white supremacy" they're just referring to racism in general.

I've met plenty of casually racist people in my life, including some from my own family. They just don't have an active agenda.

I still think many people to a certain degree are both racist and sexist.
It's because our brain thinks in categories, this cannot be avoided.

Proof of that can be found in the behaviour we maniacally categorize every animal, plant, mountain, rock, type of music, art, weapon, excrement, etc.
I mean seriously, it's hard to deny that our brain loves categorizing. And our brain also loves predicting.
As our perception is essentially moving in the past, it has to predict the future at all times, the very near future of course.
It's as easy as catching a ball, comes very natural to our brain, although doing the math makes it sound like a sisyphos-esque feat.

This is why we enjoy categorizing humans as well.
While for nigh all of us, this comes in milder forms of categories: "people that listen to x type of music are so y" or "people who wear their hair like that are bla" or "people who are vegan/carnivore are so and so" or "people who vote x are this and that", you catch my drift.
It is classism nonetheless, and really not a far jump to racism from here.

And for another big chunk of society these categories can go to the extreme, as in; have to many negative experiences with women, come to the conclusion "all women are xyz", same goes for anything or anyone. Had too many bad experiences with Hispanics? and there goes the brain categorizing things.

although I am having difficulty seeing much of a difference between the two, to be fair.
I think all pre-emptive formation of opinion has a negative impact, but it's hard to re-educate our brain in order not to do that with humans,
so it's understandable why many don't bother.

@December Flower How many Nazi's have you met face to face?

I'm German, Schnuckiputz
The question is equivalent to "have you ever seen a car?" here

I had an actual Wehrmacht Offizier as a patient 12 years ago,
doing my social year instead of serving in the army.

And today many of my elder patients today grew up in the 1930s

As teens we threw(wasn't me tho) a rock through the window of a well-known distributor of nazi memorabilia, music, forbidden books, etc,
and his grandson chased us on our bikes which sounds ridiculous but this fucker was fast

When we worked on our leftist pub/club we had many confrontations with the nazi gangs here,
until one of our members was hospitalized with multiple knife wounds and most of us left the project

All I ever saw from the US far-right movement was white trash imperialist Americans pretending to be Nazis in order to feel superior.
But then again all I saw was documentaries. I didn't mean the "white supremacists" when I said the NS regime survived.
They are just a brute misdirection from the true forces pulling the strings.

 

[AbbeyLee]

"And you wonder why people die in hails of gunfire in America. It ain't ISIS."

 

[AbbeyLee]

Continued..

 

[neversickanymore]

That's fair enough, which is why I said 'perhaps causation' because I'm sure they're just a part of a greater picture. What drives teens to be on ADs in the first place? IMO the mass prescription of drugs such as this to teens is ignorant, but obviously they're at the psychiatrist in the first place for some reason... lazy parents? Ignorant parents? A bad home life? Being bullied at school (which has never been well addressed... Columbine should have started that ball rolling and it's still fucking immobile)? There's certainly lots of factors leading to youth ending up in a psychiatrist's 'care'.

I don't believe that SSRIs/SNRIs are the sole cause of teenage violence. Kids are violent by nature. But that's why we shouldn't be prescribing them drugs that might permit greater self harm or harm to others.

And I'd like to point out that I fully believe in the field of psychology (just not psychiatry), as I personally have found it very helpful to just talk to a third party about my problems, and a counselor is going to try and help you to overcome your issues without medicating you into oblivion as if they were using some bludgeon to knock you over the head. I don't see a counselor myself (who can afford that shit?) but my wife has her B.A. in psychology and I find her to be a great sounding board. And when I can't talk to her, I talk to good friends, or even just rant here on BL, and it does me a lot of good to just get shit off my chest most times.

So yeah, I'm not anti-mental health awareness, I'm anti-psychiatry.




I dunno, I read about people deciding to 'finally' turn in their semi-auto rifles due to suddenly feeling like, "Why do I need a weapon like this?" And I think damn, the government won against you man, they didn't even have to kick your door in to completely... okay please forgive my use of this word, but I feel it is apt... to completely cuckold you.

A major thing with antidepressants is we are trying to use a drug to treat major problems in our society. Depression is an emotional state that indicates we are living in an unacceptable situation and that we need to make major changes. If we instead take a class of drugs to try and make an unacceptable situation acceptable we are not addressing the problems we need to change.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

I still think many people to a certain degree are both racist and sexist.
It's because our brain thinks in categories, this cannot be avoided.

Proof of that can be found in the behaviour we maniacally categorize every animal, plant, mountain, rock, type of music, art, weapon, excrement, etc.
I mean seriously, it's hard to deny that our brain loves categorizing. And our brain also loves predicting.
As our perception is essentially moving in the past, it has to predict the future at all times, the very near future of course.
It's as easy as catching a ball, comes very natural to our brain, although doing the math makes it sound like a sisyphos-esque feat.

This is why we enjoy categorizing humans as well.
While for nigh all of us, this comes in milder forms of categories: "people that listen to x type of music are so y" or "people who wear their hair like that are bla" or "people who are vegan/carnivore are so and so" or "people who vote x are this and that", you catch my drift.
It is classism nonetheless, and really not a far jump to racism from here.

And for another big chunk of society these categories can go to the extreme, as in; have to many negative experiences with women, come to the conclusion "all women are xyz", same goes for anything or anyone. Had too many bad experiences with Hispanics? and there goes the brain categorizing things.

although I am having difficulty seeing much of a difference between the two, to be fair.
I think all pre-emptive formation of opinion has a negative impact, but it's hard to re-educate our brain in order not to do that with humans,
so it's understandable why many don't bother.


I'm German, Schnuckiputz
The question is equivalent to "have you ever seen a car?" here

I had an actual Wehrmacht Offizier as a patient 12 years ago,
doing my social year instead of serving in the army.

And today many of my elder patients today grew up in the 1930s

As teens we threw(wasn't me tho) a rock through the window of a well-known distributor of nazi memorabilia, music, forbidden books, etc,
and his grandson chased us on our bikes which sounds ridiculous but this fucker was fast

When we worked on our leftist pub/club we had many confrontations with the nazi gangs here,
until one of our members was hospitalized with multiple knife wounds and most of us left the project

All I ever saw from the US far-right movement was white trash imperialist Americans pretending to be Nazis in order to feel superior.
But then again all I saw was documentaries. I didn't mean the "white supremacists" when I said the NS regime survived.
They are just a brute misdirection from the true forces pulling the strings.

My wife's grandfather was killed in the war on the German side so I get your more narrow view. The Nazis I met may not seem like "real" Nazis to you because you keep that definition of the 3rd Reich. I get that.

However the folks I ran into were American Nazi's. They may not be part of the 3rd Reich, but they are the spiritual successors in many, many ways. They are organized, openly and proudly Nazi and are trying to start a race war in the US. Totally different folks that are the usual media "NAZI's.

Both are terrible forces in society that I sincerely hope that they never gain the power they seek. I just like to keep the term "NAZI" to those who actually have a violent political and society changing agenda.

The only real differences is the scapegoat races.

 

[simstim]

I love living in the USA. We've literally got more guns on the streets than there are people living in this country. Like zombies would ever stand a chance.

 

[Droppersneck]

The establishment is going mask off with this issue. They want to ban something that caused very few deaths a year, and I don’t doubt there will be more children sacrificed for this cause. The whole liberal idea of gun free zones is pretty flawed. You shouldn't announce whether or not guns are present to potential attackers. Just not having gun free zones would be a huge improvement. Most of the people doing these attacks are absolute cowards, and don’t want any confrontation.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Just not having gun free zones would be a huge improvement. Most of the people doing these attacks are absolute cowards, and don’t want any confrontation.

It does make you wonder. I looked into Texas gun laws deeper recently and it turns out that teachers are permitted to have firearms as long as they're in their vehicle and not visible, per employee rights. I'm not a 'let's arm teachers' type because fact is if someone isn't comfortable with firearms, they shouldn't have them. But if I was a teacher I'd be scared about being hundreds of feet from my vehicle the whole work day. It is a soft target. Schools are easy pickings for murderous psychopaths. I'm honestly surprised none of these shootings are bombings. Rigging up some bombs would be a lot easier and kill more people. Let's ban fertilizer!

I also want to point out that Columbine happened in 1999, the peak year of gun bans. All 'assault' weapons were banned by name 5 years before the shooting... I get the feeling people just ignore that fact for the sake of their own mental comfort when they advocate for more bans.

 

[Droppersneck]

It does make you wonder. I looked into Texas gun laws deeper recently and it turns out that teachers are permitted to have firearms as long as they're in their vehicle and not visible, per employee rights. I'm not a 'let's arm teachers' type because fact is if someone isn't comfortable with firearms, they shouldn't have them. But if I was a teacher I'd be scared about being hundreds of feet from my vehicle the whole work day. It is a soft target. Schools are easy pickings for murderous psychopaths. I'm honestly surprised none of these shootings are bombings. Rigging up some bombs would be a lot easier and kill more people. Let's ban fertilizer!

I also want to point out that Columbine happened in 1999, the peak year of gun bans. All 'assault' weapons were banned by name 5 years before the shooting... I get the feeling people just ignore that fact for the sake of their own mental comfort when they advocate for more bans.

I think using guns as a method is more personal and fetishized by hollywood and other degenerates. Bombs, and driving vehicles through crowds will be more prevalent in places where the banks are able to disarm the population.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Tbh I’m surprised home made explosives arnt more common

 

[alasdairm]

I also have the feeling that if you take guns away and let’s say even criminals can’t get them you would have an increase of people making home made explosives, I mean you can easily find out how to make them nowadays with the internet

I'm honestly surprised none of these shootings are bombings. Rigging up some bombs would be a lot easier and kill more people.

and yet they choose a gun...

alasdair

 

[Las Veghost grower]

and yet they choose a gun...

alasdair

The question is if the gun weren't available would that stop them ? Or would they build a pipe bomb or run into a crowd with their car start a fire or even use a nail gun with poison on the nails ect… pretty much is access the cause

 

[Illyria99]

First of all, I feel that only the military, the Secret Service, and law enforcement should be the only ones who have access to firearms. But that will never happen, obviously.

However, when WW3 happens and/or an EMP is deployed... everyone is on their own. You know goddamn well that motherfuckers WON'T HESITATE to kill you and your family just on the possibility that you have food or whatever. You're on your own. No one will come to your rescue.

I have massive fucking respect for survivalists, despite the fact they're often mocked. Hope for the best, yet ALWAYS prepare for the worst.

As for the 200 mass shootings in the first 4 months of this year, that's NO surprise. People who endured that 2 year lockdown were forced to sit indoors and déal with their spouses/sígnificant others/toilet paper shortage asetc....I strongly believe that MANY of them developed psychiatric disorders. (Not to mention, being inside their head much!)

Perhaps Chicken Little was a prophet after all.

 

[thegreenhand]

I was wondering how long it would be until someone tried to blame the shooting on drugs

I think it’s anatural reaction, especially given how much “mental health” is discussed in the context of mass shootings.

And certain drugs do seem to cause aggression, the best example probably being alcohol and it’s role in domestic violence.

I also agree that common psychiatric drugs may lead to aggression, eventually leading to the expression of physical violence. My own experience with bupropion had me feeling slightly manic and very intent on self harm (never towards others)

I do not, however, think it is appropiate to shift the responsibility of this sicko’s actions onto whatever drugs he may have been using. You still have a responsibility to find a healthy outlet for that aggression, regardless of your level of intoxication.

I understand that psychiatry has issues with ethics, and coercion in treatment (anyone in the invega sustenna thread knows this).

But regardless, individuals have a responsibility to not inflict violence on others. I don’t care how altered your consciousness is, you still have to have the executive function to not shoot up an elementary school

 

[Droppersneck]

First of all, I feel that only the military, the Secret Service, and law enforcement should be the only ones who have access to firearms. But that will never happen, obviously.

However, when WW3 happens and/or an EMP is deployed... everyone is on their own. You know goddamn well that motherfuckers WON'T HESITATE to kill you and your family just on the possibility that you have food or whatever. You're on your own. No one will come to your rescue.

I have massive fucking respect for survivalists, despite the fact they're often mocked. Hope for the best, yet ALWAYS prepare for the worst.

As for the 200 mass shootings in the first 4 months of this year, that's NO surprise. People who endured that 2 year lockdown were forced to sit indoors and déal with their spouses/sígnificant others/toilet paper shortage asetc....I strongly believe that MANY of them developed psychiatric disorders. (Not to mention, being inside their head much!)

Perhaps Chicken Little was a prophet after all.

There haven’t been 200 mass shootings. They expand the definition to make the propaganda hit better, but I think the real statistics are bad enough.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I was wondering how long it would be until someone tried to blame the shooting on drugs

I think it’s anatural reaction, especially given how much “mental health” is discussed in the context of mass shootings.

And certain drugs do seem to cause aggression, the best example probably being alcohol and it’s role in domestic violence.

I also agree that common psychiatric drugs may lead to aggression, eventually leading to the expression of physical violence. My own experience with bupropion had me feeling slightly manic and very intent on self harm (never towards others)

I do not, however, think it is appropiate to shift the responsibility of this sicko’s actions onto whatever drugs he may have been using. You still have a responsibility to find a healthy outlet for that aggression, regardless of your level of intoxication.

I understand that psychiatry has issues with ethics, and coercion in treatment (anyone in the invega sustenna thread knows this).

But regardless, individuals have a responsibility to not inflict violence on others. I don’t care how altered your consciousness is, you still have to have the executive function to not shoot up an elementary school

I’d never say it’s a defense. I personally feel the plea of mental illness for getting out of the death sentence in violent crimes is kinda bullshit on top of that.

I don’t know what drives anyone to shoot 4th graders. It’s frightening that people want to harm 4th graders at all in the first place. The latest crime was indeed senseless and I don’t think there’s any excuse for it.

I’m glad that someone shot him so he can’t have his day in court. I feel it’s a sick problem society has with lingering on some of these guys who don’t get killed/top themselves.

 

[Skorpio]

The question is if the gun weren't available would that stop them ? Or would they build a pipe bomb or run into a crowd with their car start a fire or even use a nail gun with poison on the nails ect… pretty much is access the cause

Bombs require a lot more expertise, and therefore fail much more frequently.

The Columbine shooters had bombs made to try and knock down the school, and they failed.

Guns are made to be incredibly reliable.

 

[December Flower]

My wife's grandfather was killed in the war on the German side so I get your more narrow view. The Nazis I met may not seem like "real" Nazis to you because you keep that definition of the 3rd Reich. I get that.

However the folks I ran into were American Nazi's. They may not be part of the 3rd Reich, but they are the spiritual successors in many, many ways. They are organized, openly and proudly Nazi and are trying to start a race war in the US. Totally different folks that are the usual media "NAZI's.

Both are terrible forces in society that I sincerely hope that they never gain the power they seek. I just like to keep the term "NAZI" to those who actually have a violent political and society changing agenda.

The only real differences is the scapegoat races.

The US had racism issues long before the 3rd Reich
The difference between Nazis in Germany was the Germans were oppressed by the Jews.
'They had all the power, owned all the stores, owned all the money, and kept increasing costs further and further even though people were starving on the streets. We went from being oppressed to being the oppressor.

For US "Nazis", well.. US bought slaves from African warchiefs, oppressed them for ages, without wages, respect or dignity,
and nobody oppressed you at all, but you still have people hating blacks, even after they fought for their human rights for over a century.
US "Nazis" went from the oppressor to the oppressor. From slave owners to black haters. Hating the already oppressed, that's just disgusting

That's not the spiritual successor of the 3rd Reich.
That's the successors of people putting black people in zoos, and the successors of slave owners.
That's all they are. The 3rd Reich only ever existed because people were desperate as fuck.
People were dying from starvation or gang wars on the streets, that was the state of Germany post WW1
You're dying from nothing and US "Nazis" are the gangs making the streets unsafe.

Sorry I'm still quoting the word Nazi when I'm speaking about US "Nazis",
but they are a complete joke, and I will not accept them as such.

 

[Flynnal]

Yep. It's time for the US to adopt reasonable and sane gun policies like we have done in Australia.

But good luck with that, because culture, because an obsession with guns and wars has tainted the American psyche en masse.

We never had a cultural obsession with firearms, and that's why Australia was able to render reasonable and sane gun policies, unlike most of the USA.

 

[alasdairm]

The question is if the gun weren't available would that stop them ? Or would they build a pipe bomb or run into a crowd with their car start a fire or even use a nail gun with poison on the nails ect… pretty much is access the cause

i don't know. but cg said bombs would be a lot easier and kill more people. if that's true, why choose a gun?

alasdair