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Martial arts....

wait, so you mean if I start boxing,

and I get in a fight with someone and hurt him, I can be arrested for assault with a deadly weapon?
 
I would suggest Hapkido. It's equal parts stand-up punching/kicking sort of fighting and grappling/throwing sort of fighting which makes it good for real-life self-defense and a really balanced martial art compared to others which usually focus on one or the other. It is also an ancient style and definitely has a spiritual basis and besides teaching you how to turn peoples limbs into jelly while using the least amount of energy and most amount of leverage, also teaches how to heal using pressure points and so on (my old teacher is able to turn off bloody noses like faucets by touching a few select pressure points).
 
i do believe by law in the uk if you are assaulted and you say that you know martial arts and dont want to use them, if this attacker is to then attack you more and you use them then tou wont be arrested..

all you need is some one to back you up :D however your best bet is to take their legs out and run.
 
What do you mean no offense, but why do I need it for fighting people??

Because I have been assualted tonne sof time sin this city walking home from town....Pikeys mainly, i got a bottle to my face the other day, and I couldn't fight back because his mate was there with another bottle cracking my friends nose....I could do fuck all about it.

I'm not a violent person at all, I have been in about two fights in my whole life, and i've talked my way out of dozens of bad confrontations.....Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, you cannot talk your way out of situations, especially in England where you have loads of drunk squaddies looking for afight every friday and saturday night. Believe me, in this country people do often start fights.. It may not be the same in country, i dunno where you come from... People here , they'll just run upto you and smack you/bottle you for no reason for no reason when you're walking back from the pub.

I could never lose my temper enough to severely injure someone, I only see violence as the very last resort.

This is why i asked for a defensive martial art with a traditional, perhaps slightly spirital basis.....understand?

Aikido sounds perfect for my needs (and indeed my character).

Besides, the only martial arts around here (in a 20 mile radius) are: Judo, Ju-jitsu, and Aikido.......Me know'ses which one mesa going for!

Thanks for all you help'ses
 
damn man that really sucks.

you may also want to take up some form of boxing or maybe carry a taser or stun gun. (if they're legal on the other side of the pond)
 
Well the best defence is offense in street fighting, or learning to run away.

Seriously takeup boxing or muay thai. Don't take any of these arts like Aikido, TKD or hapkido, especially if the gym doesnt have any real sparring, or you won't learn shit except false-confidence.

If you decide to not go with my advice and go for one of these more traditional arts, make sure the first thing you ask the teacher wheather they do full contact sparring or not, otherwise it's a McDojo designed for soccer mums, little kids, and people who watch too many kung fu movies.
 
Sparring is nothing like street fighting. Even full contact sparring. There are plenty of "advanced" martial artists that would get their ass handed to them on the streets.

Kick Boxing/Boxing is good because it is relatively simple and effective. Regardless the strategies involved in sport boxing is different from the strategies that should be used in street fighting.

The thing I like about Aikido is they teach you how to fight without fighting. Aikido teaches how to manipulate the fight or flight instinct. For example, if someone is trying to escalate a situation, keep your distance and circle him/her slowly keeping your eyes at him/her the whole time. This gives the impression to the animal within us all that they are being hunted because that is what animals often do when hunting their prey. A majority of people in this situation will want to flight, not fight as long as they aren't cornered or anything.


Still what you get out of whatever art you take depends on your teacher and you. It is important to find a good place to learn if you want to learn it properly.
 
hey sparkle_jez,

I just started an Aikido class. Will be training on Tuesday this next coming week. Let us know how your class goes. :)
 
brazillian jujitsu can be great in a street fight...but only if you don't mind breaking someone's arm. a quick take down, arm lock, and follow through with your hips will bust a persons elbow with almost no effort...
don't know a ton about the other arts mentioned here. however, i agree that akido looks awsome.
for free lessons, shadow box yourself in the mirror. all you have to do is throw punches at your self, and try to dodge the "mirror's punches".
(if you're right handed), jab with the left until there is an opening, THEN throw the big right. remember to turn your hips like a golf swing.
good luck :)
 
From personal experience, I would recomend Jiu Jitsu. Lots of punches and kicks are cute, but for practical application, breaking his arm or choking him out takes about 10 seconds (as apposed to watching two guys dance around and hit each other for 15 minutes ) and you don't have to worry about breaking a knuckle or exposing yourself to getting pumbled with punches. Good luck=D
 
How is that more practical than taking someone out by making a single blow in a vital area taking a fraction of a second to complete?

Grappling is probably one of the riskiest things you can do in a street fight. What if one of the opponents buddies decides to break his beer over your head while your choking the opponent out?
 
Does anyone know anything about Kung Fu San Soo? I'm also interested in learning a martial art and I will be taking one soon, so far Kung Fu San Soo looks the most appealing.

Also, as to the above argument about martial arts applied in the real world, it's very true that if you've been in martial arts for a couple months and think you're ready to tangle with anyone you see you'll get your ass kicked. However, if you actually dedicate yourself to a martial art and spend years learning it you'll be able to take most people you would find yourself faced with. Not to mention most martial artists wouldn't be in a situation they'd be likely to be attacked, avoiding dangerous situations is the first step in winning a fight.
 
Anything can be pulled off if your good enough. Still some things are more practical and effective in certain situations. Especially dealing with people that are of equal or close to equal skill level.
 
Three words. Jeet Kune Do. By far the most flexable, and adaptable art on the planet, and the best thing is that your body type defines how you fight. So no matter what you can be effective at it.

I've been working on my own form of it for the past three years, and it's coming along quite nicely.

BTW the guy that said traditional Kung-Fu has no place in a street fight, you must have never seen anyone that can actually apply it properly. I can breakdown entire chest cavities on just about anyone, if they get with-in twoo feet of me. That's with one hit, and only one hand. Open palm strikes from Tiger are not for show. The trained requires hitting bricks, and true iron palm.
 
I've decided on Muay Thai kickboxing, basically because I wanted something to help me get in shape as well as possibly competiting in the future. Kung Fu and other traditional martial arts don't seem to do very well in mixed martial art competition. Seems like most of the traditional art focus on self defense and even then finding a teacher who isn't running a soccer Mom school for kids seemed pretty hard. Brazilian Ju Jitsu and Muay Thai seem to be a winning combination for kicking some serious ass.
 
Grappling is probably one of the riskiest things you can do in a street fight.
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I'd have to agree with this by the way, even in a one on one situation. Let's say you have someone in a hold and they start crying and telling you they're sorry and they'll leave you alone or whatever. Are you going to continue to apply pressure and break their arm or ankle or whatever you happen to be using as a submission point? Doing so would go against everything you had been taught, however.. how can you disengage? Are you going to let go of this person and give them a chance to kick you in the balls or something while you're getting up? You end up stuck in a situation with no resoloution.

Also, as for the above post about the legalities of using self defense. If you ever hurt someone and are a martial artist you MUST be able to justify all of the force that you used to disable someone. As a trained fighter you should know exactly how much force is neccasary to subdue someone and not use more than that.

For example, let's say you've never done a martial art and someone comes at you with what appears to be a knife. You might be able to punch them in the throat and crush their windpipe then tell the police later that you were scared and thought you were going to die. However, if you have taken a martial art and the same thing happened, you'll probably end up going to jail because you knew you didn't need to kill someone to protect yourself but you delivered an attack meant to kill and you knew the effect it would have.

Just food for thought, another reason why I think Karate and such traditional martial arts that are taught without any kind of actual contact fighting are bad. In boxing or competitive Karate you know what's going to happen when you punch someone because you've done it before, whereas someone who has been punching the air for the past 10 years might kill someone and not even realize they had the capacity to do so.
 
Aikido, hands down.

Since you mentioned that you do not want an energetic, "sporty style" martial art form, Aikido is definitely the one for you. It revolves around using not your own energy, but the energy of the opponent against themselves. Steven Segal is an Aikido master and while many ridicule him for being a fat, lazy slob who got lucky in the movies, those same people are fans of the "flash-bang" "sporty style" of martial arts like Karate, Kung Fu or Tae Kwon Do.

For practical (street) purposes, you might want to stay away from grappling techniques like Jiu Jitsu. While extremely effective one on one, should you have the misfortune of getting confronted by two or more, then the second and third will hoof the crap out of you while you're grappling #1.
 
I've been doing aikido for about 9 months now, and I'll tell you, it's not an art you can "whoop ass" in in a short time frame. I was a varsity wrestler, and I can tell you that I'd immediately fall back on wrestling (my coach also taught us WHY some moves were illegal... namely, the joint-breaking aspects of them) before aikido. However, I really enjoy aikido, and it's incredibly effective at the upper levels. With just a few small half-turns, you can obliterate someone else's balance and break their neck, wrists, elbows, etc.

But, I tell you, if you study aikido to beat ass, you'll quit it shortly. Aikido is one of those arts you practice because you enjoy it. If you just want to be a bad-ass, try jiu-jitsu, a hard-style karate, or boxing, as you can become at least slightly proficient in them in a (comparatively to aikido) short time.
 
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