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Martial arts....

I studied Aikido for seven years. Wish I carried on. I'm a light (LOL!, okay, weight! We're talking weight!) guy, that is mainly why I embarked on this energy-reversal trip. I can still drop a 300+ pound opponent, no sweat.
 
yougene said:
Sparring is nothing like street fighting. Even full contact sparring. There are plenty of "advanced" martial artists that would get their ass handed to them on the streets.

Kick Boxing/Boxing is good because it is relatively simple and effective. Regardless the strategies involved in sport boxing is different from the strategies that should be used in street fighting.

The thing I like about Aikido is they teach you how to fight without fighting. Aikido teaches how to manipulate the fight or flight instinct. For example, if someone is trying to escalate a situation, keep your distance and circle him/her slowly keeping your eyes at him/her the whole time. This gives the impression to the animal within us all that they are being hunted because that is what animals often do when hunting their prey. A majority of people in this situation will want to flight, not fight as long as they aren't cornered or anything.


Still what you get out of whatever art you take depends on your teacher and you. It is important to find a good place to learn if you want to learn it properly.
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Actually sparring is the most important thing if you wan't to learn how to fight. You need to train your muscle memory to react in situations where your adrenaline is released, otherwise you will just stand there not knowing what to do.

Aikido sounds good in theory, just it is just not practicle. The foot work is good training, but that is all.

What your asking is not possible though, you need to work hard if you wan't to learn how to fight. But really you don't need to learn martial arts for self-defence, take some other precautions, the chances are so slim of getting into street fights unless you look for them. Just do it for fun and disipline.
 
Kul69 said:
Just food for thought, another reason why I think Karate and such traditional martial arts that are taught without any kind of actual contact fighting are bad. In boxing or competitive Karate you know what's going to happen when you punch someone because you've done it before, whereas someone who has been punching the air for the past 10 years might kill someone and not even realize they had the capacity to do so.
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Spot on. You need to actually fight to learn how to fight. There's too many gyms that have popped up after martials arts were made cool by hollywood that have no actual fighting training. Be warey of the McDojo's.
 
Baron said:
I've been doing aikido for about 9 months now, and I'll tell you, it's not an art you can "whoop ass" in in a short time frame. I was a varsity wrestler, and I can tell you that I'd immediately fall back on wrestling (my coach also taught us WHY some moves were illegal... namely, the joint-breaking aspects of them) before aikido.
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This is my problem with aikido too. They say it takes many years to become proficient at this art, but where is the evidence? The day I see someone who purely studies Aikido and takes on a decent BJJ'ist or boxer I will be convinced. The foot-work is an excellent addition to your martial arts skills though. I've just fought too many people who study Aikido to take any note of it's effectivness. Plus the school's are very close-minded, they would never let me intergrate any moves that wern't in their plan.
 
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yougene said:
How is that more practical than taking someone out by making a single blow in a vital area taking a fraction of a second to complete?

Grappling is probably one of the riskiest things you can do in a street fight. What if one of the opponents buddies decides to break his beer over your head while your choking the opponent out?
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Sometimes there is no choice but to grapple, especially if you get taken to the ground. And this isn't the movies, you don't always just "take someone out by making a single blow in a vital area taking a fraction of a second to complete".
 
Christian Soldier said:
Actually sparring is the most important thing if you wan't to learn how to fight. You need to train your muscle memory to react in situations where your adrenaline is released, otherwise you will just stand there not knowing what to do.
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Sparring is important, but it won't neccasarily teach you how to apply what you learned to a real life situation. How many fights have you seen start off like a sparring match?

Aikido sounds good in theory, just it is just not practicle. The foot work is good training, but that is all.
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The problem with Aikido is the other person has to commit whatever he is doing. This is a problem when dealing with boxers and many other martial artists.

What your asking is not possible though, you need to work hard if you wan't to learn how to fight. But really you don't need to learn martial arts for self-defence, take some other precautions, the chances are so slim of getting into street fights unless you look for them. Just do it for fun and disipline.
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Self-Defence can be considered a martial art too. Why not do martial arts for all its benefits?

Christian Soldier said:
Sometimes there is no choice but to grapple, especially if you get taken to the ground. And this isn't the movies, you don't always just "take someone out by making a single blow in a vital area taking a fraction of a second to complete".
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Grappling is an important skill to have and it has its time and place but ideally it should be the last thing you do. Sometimes you can't help but grapple. It may not take a single blow to take someone out but regardless in a real fight you should be going for vulnerable areas when they are available, punching someone a million times in the face, stomach, etc... isn't always going to do something. Eye gouging is fair game if the situation permits, there is no honor in fighting.
 
xXTOKERXx said:
what about someone with anger issues? interested in it all the same, is scared to get into confrontations due do his anger problems, and ultimately knows if the other guys gives it he will?

is there a martial art which not only is very effective but has a fair bit of mental disipline withut been too harshs, as that would cause him to loose his temper?
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I suggest Kung-Fu, or one of it's varients. These arts specialise in developing the mind to control oneself and apply skills effectively in any situation. A close ex-friend and training partner studied Wing Chun, Jeet Kune Do and Chao Ga (sp?) whiched all formed the basis of his transition from pub brawler to enlightened martial artist.

I personally train in boxing and Muay Thai. Theres plenty of resources online about all these arts that have been named already so yeh go hard
 
yougene said:
Sparring is important, but it won't neccasarily teach you how to apply what you learned to a real life situation. How many fights have you seen start off like a sparring match?


The problem with Aikido is the other person has to commit whatever he is doing. This is a problem when dealing with boxers and many other martial artists.


Self-Defence can be considered a martial art too. Why not do martial arts for all its benefits?


Grappling is an important skill to have and it has its time and place but ideally it should be the last thing you do. Sometimes you can't help but grapple. It may not take a single blow to take someone out but regardless in a real fight you should be going for vulnerable areas when they are available, punching someone a million times in the face, stomach, etc... isn't always going to do something. Eye gouging is fair game if the situation permits, there is no honor in fighting.
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Sparring does teach you how to apply what you've learnt in real life situations for the reason i stated before. What is closer to a real life fight then sparring?

I don't understand what you said about commiting, clarification?

And I said not to worry about self-defence if he doesn't wan't to join a real gym where they train to fight properly, ie. full contact sparring, bag work, focus mits. Rather then katas, air punching and breaking bricks, which can also be fun, but this does not train you how to fight.

And yeah that's what I said about grappling. Also it's hard to eye gouge someone in the fight, it's better to just aim for vital points, ie face and body, unless your in the position to stick your fingers in their eyes like if you were grappling.
 
All you really need is basic boxing skills and learning how to clinch in muay thai is great aswell so you can learn how to control their body while standing. Every fight i've been in goes like this. Someone throws a wild right towards my head, I introduce them to my jab and straight right before they can hit me, enter clinch, elbow and knee their head in, good night.

But sometimes ive ended up on the ground and knowing how to grapple really helps a lot, considering your opponent will usually have no idea what to do. But not good if there's lots of people around, so try to get up asap.
 
Kul69 - how goes the Thai boxing?

Re deadly techniques:

I have recently been studying a manslaughter case, titled "Nettle, J" - a small time competetive martial artist and frequent pub goer. During a night out, he was engaged into a fight in which he used a roundhouse kick to defend himself from a barrage of punches, resulting in his drunken opponent falling back and smashing his head on the pavement. This resulted in massive brain haemmoraging and death.

The defendant was charged with Assault, occasioning grevious bodily harm, which was later upgraded to manslaughter pending the mans death in hospital some month later. The judge took particular note of the fact the accused was a trained Kickboxer, and used a "deadly martial arts kick" to inflict "overzealous" damage toward his opponent.

The accused served a 7 year prison term for the offence, yet it was openly noted that another man without such skills would have received a far lesser sentence.

This is distressing in that I have recently been charged with assault regarding an incident which left my opponent with a broken jaw and cheek bone. It's my personal belief that everybody has the same opportunity to train in the martial arts, why should the fact that one is trained in the martial arts be held against them, when physical confrontations are the very thing we train for?

/end rant
 
Wow. Third page and no krav maga. If you are actually concerned with self defense, skip froo-froo chi alignment bullshit and the competitive sports and go straight for the testicle shots, eye gouging and hairpulling.

Upon closer inspection, the original poster specifically requested some sort of fruity ass chi crap. I recommend reading crappy Gary Zukav books and putting batik prints on your wall.

And if you want to tone up, lift friggin weights.

Replacing your doors with those bead things would be cool, too.

PS: I was in jail, so I've actually read an entire Gary Zukav book, so I feel this gives me the right to make fun of him.
 
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SPARKLE JEZ: You have listed the 1st requirement to be self defence. You need to do anything that practises full contact sparring. Most "martial art" gyms won't teach you anything besides how to punch air. Research the training techniques they use before you sign up to any gym.
 
and self-defence or street fighting = breaking the beer you were just drinkin in your hand over the offenders head, then throwing jabs and straight rights untill they drop, then the optional kick to their head if you still perceive threat.

Seriously if you wana be a good brawler, just do boxing, if you wana be a mad brawler, take some grappling like BJJ to compliment, and muay thai aint going to hurt your skills one bit.
 
Hey Christian Soilder didn't he say he didn't want to learn anything super violent? I don't think bustin beer bottles on people's heads is what he had in mind. So I also think Jeet Kune Do would be out of the question.

I do agree that some type of grappling is nessecary.

David said:

Brazilian Jui Jitsu is highly over rated though. Judo would be fine.
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BJJ>Judo IMO.
 
Judo is simply a refined form of traditional Jiu Jitsu, minus a few bone shattering techniques and is also more sport oriented.
 
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