Marijuana withdrawal as bad as withdrawal from cigarettes

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Research by a group of scientists studying the effects of heavy marijuana use suggests that withdrawal from the use of marijuana is similar to what is experienced by people when they quit smoking cigarettes. Abstinence from each of these drugs appears to cause several common symptoms, such as irritability, anger and trouble sleeping - based on self reporting in a recent study of 12 heavy users of both marijuana and cigarettes.

“These results indicate that some marijuana users experience withdrawal effects when they try to quit, and that these effects should be considered by clinicians treating people with problems related to heavy marijuana use,” says lead investigator in the study, Ryan Vandrey, Ph.D., of the Department of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

Marijuana is the most widely used illicit drug in the United States. Admissions in substance abuse treatment facilities in which marijuana was the primary problem substance have more than doubled since the early 1990s and now rank similar to cocaine and heroin with respect to total number of yearly treatment episodes in the United States, says Vandrey.

He points out that a lack of data, until recently, has led to cannabis withdrawal symptoms not being characterized or included in medical reference literature such as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition, (DSM-IV) or the International Classification of Diseases, 10th edition (ICD-10).

Since the drafting of the DSM-IV in 1994, an increasing number of studies have surfaced suggesting that cannabis has significant withdrawal symptoms. What makes Vandrey’s recent study unique is that it is the first study that compares marijuana withdrawal symptoms to withdrawal symptoms that are clinically recognized by the medical community - specifically the tobacco withdrawal syndrome.

“Since tobacco withdrawal symptoms are well documented and included in the DSM-IV and the IDC-10, we can infer from the results of this comparison that marijuana withdrawal is also clinically significant and should be included in these reference materials and considered as a target for improving treatment outcomes,” says Vandrey.

Vandrey added that this is the first “controlled” comparison of the two withdrawal syndromes in that data was obtained using rigorous scientific methods - abstinence from drugs was confirmed objectively, procedures were identical during each abstinence period, and abstinence periods occurred in a random order. That tobacco and marijuana withdrawal symptoms were reported by the same participants, thus eliminating the likelihood that results reflect physiological differences between subjects, is also a strength of the study.

Interestingly, the study also revealed that half of the participants found it easier to abstain from both substances than it was to stop marijuana or tobacco individually, whereas the remaining half had the opposite response.

“Given the general consensus among clinicians that it is harder to quit more than one substance at the same time, these results suggest the need for more research on treatment planning for people who concurrently use more than one drug on a regular basis,” says Vandrey.

Vandrey’s study, which appears in the January issue of the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence, followed six men and six women at the University of Vermont in Burlington and Wake Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C., for a total of six weeks. All were over 18 (median age 28.2 years), used marijuana at least 25 days a month and smoked at least 10 cigarettes a day. None of the subjects intended to quit using either substance, did not use any other illicit drugs in the prior month, were not on any psychotropic medication, did not have a psychiatric disorder, and if female, were not pregnant.

For the first week, participants maintained their normal use of cigarettes and marijuana. For the remaining five weeks, they were randomly chosen to refrain from using either cigarettes, marijuana or both substances for five-day periods separated by nine-day periods of normal use. In order to confirm abstinence, patients were given daily quantitative urine toxicology tests of tobacco and marijuana metabolites.

Withdrawal symptoms were self reported on a daily basis Monday through Friday using a withdrawal symptom checklist that listed scores for aggression, anger, appetite change, depressed mood, irritability, anxiety/nervousness, restlessness, sleep difficulty, strange dreams and other, less common withdrawal symptoms. Patients also provided an overall score for discomfort they experienced during each abstinence period.

Results showed that overall withdrawal severity associated with marijuana alone and tobacco alone was of similar frequency and intensity. Sleep disturbance seemed to be more pronounced during marijuana abstinence, while some of the general mood effects (anxiety, anger) seemed to be greater during tobacco abstinence. In addition, six of the participants reported that quitting both marijuana and tobacco at the same time was more difficult than quitting either drug alone, whereas the remaining six found that it was easier to quit marijuana or cigarettes individually than it was to abstain from the two substances simultaneously.

Vandrey recognizes that the small sample size is a limitation in this study, but the results are consistent with other studies indicating that marijuana withdrawal effects are clinically important.

This study was conducted while Vandrey was a doctoral candidate at the University of Vermont. It was supported by grants from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

Other researchers who contributed to this study are Alan Budney, Ph.D., of the University of Arkansas for Medical Studies, Little Rock; John Hughes, M.D., of the University of Vermont; and Anthony Ligouri, Ph.D., of Wake Forest University School of Medicine.
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MARIJUANA WITHDRAWAL AS BAD AS WITHDRAWAL FROM CIGARETTES
Study could potentially help clinicians treat marijuana addiction


Johns Hopkins press release
January 24, 2008


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What bullshit! I've quit both, and cigarettes are far worse. In fact, I had no withdrawal symptoms at all from weed. The same unfrotunately cannot be said for cigs.
 
In addition, six of the participants reported that quitting both marijuana and tobacco at the same time was more difficult than quitting either drug alone, whereas the remaining six found that it was easier to quit marijuana or cigarettes individually than it was to abstain from the two substances simultaneously.

Eh...nice find...
 
Yah, I've quit both. Severe, VERY heavy marijuana abuse over a prolonged period can make for a few uncomfortable days and some sleepless nights, as well as pretty bad stomach cramping. Basically, it's hardly that big of a deal, but it ain't exactly comfortable. I had a much easier time quitting cigarettes, and haven't looked back since. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about the weed. It's just TOO delicious. :)
 
panic_the_digital said:
What bullshit! I've quit both, and cigarettes are far worse. In fact, I had no withdrawal symptoms at all from weed. The same unfrotunately cannot be said for cigs.

i tried both heroin, weed and cocaine the same summer and i found weed BY FAR the most addictive and hardest to quit. because my own subjective experience and my grand total sample size of one person represents the be all end all fact of the matter, i can then conclude that marijuana is more addictive than cocaine and heroin, right? 8)

when will people understand that drugs affect everyone differently and their own experience may differ substantially from the experiences of others? why is this simple concept so difficult to grasp? why do you think we need to do scientific studies if we could simply ask one person which drug was hardest to quit and then base all of our understanding on what that single person has to say? that is essentially what you're asking us to do.

i say,

science: one.
you: zero.
 
^As others have pointed out, their sample and methods hardly qualify as science. History has shown you to be the exception, not the rule.
 
panic_the_digital said:
What bullshit! I've quit both, and cigarettes are far worse. In fact, I had no withdrawal symptoms at all from weed. The same unfrotunately cannot be said for cigs.

I found quitting pot a lot harder (not that I've ever quit voluntarily). At least when I quit cigarettes - something I do quite often ;) - I can get stoned and feel better, but nicotine doesn't help pot 'withdrawal'. I mean the nicotine dependence is mostly physical; nicotine doesn't cause much of a high, and the only reason I smoke is so I don't feel crappy. With pot, however, I start to rely on the high to get through unpleasant things, and that's a way harder addiction for me to break. Still I know it's all in my head; the only physical symptom I experience is having trouble sleeping.
 
Marijuana withdrawal as bad as withdrawal from cigarettes

lol erm, quitting ciggys I seem to go on and off them no problem, but I guess i wasnt a long time pack a day smoker.

BUT FUK ME when I quit pot voluntarily i was already getting a bit messy in the head due to massive all day bong sessions for years, then BAM no more

:X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X :X

Basically PANIC ATTACK i need weed pronto!
Then my brain went wtf no thc in me all of a sudden in gonna cause some shit!
Pretty much psychotic eppissode brain was fryed for about a month, it really did fk with my head
no sleep for 4/5 nights, smoked some ciggys, they help a lil

so for me quitting weed is WAY HARDER then quitting ciggys, and the withrawal symptoms far worse for marijuana .......cause my brain was mush for like 3 weeks /cry
 
^ and all of that is quite scientific. Were you hospitalized during that psychotic episode? Didn't think so.

I find that weed is way more about boredom than anything else. I use pills because I like the way they feel, I use weed to fill up time.
 
Everyone talks about marijuana withdrawal.

I've quit smoking quite a few times, often after smoking non stop everyday for years.

When i go on vacation, i just drink a few beers instead of smoking... I wouldn't be able to do that with cigarettes.

I've never experienced any cannabis WD's other than insomnia... Why?

Simply because weed is not physically addictive, i dont give a fuck what anyone else says.

I don't doubt some people actually believe they are experiencing physical withdrawals from weed but the fact of the matter is your mind is playing games on you;) .
 
yeh its all in the mind, but er the mind controls the body so if its fkd that is worse imo :\

you arent gonna die (from pot withdrawals) but you could quite possibly get instant and perhaps permanent brain damage in the form of schizophrenia or psychosis (low chance and only for hardcore stoners)
 
Ham-milton said:
^ and all of that is quite scientific. Were you hospitalized during that psychotic episode? Didn't think so.

lol obviously wasnt presenting it as scientific, just my experience of comparing the 2 which is valid in this dicussion also

I was at that stage under the care of my parents and I wanted them to call an ambo when i had the panick attack cause I was peaking, but we didnt

then I was too much of a head case for them to control me at home so got shoved in a drug rehab place (so yeh a hospital) with hardcore addicts lol and im off my chops crapping on at them, didnt make many friends in their lol

I find that weed is way more about boredom than anything else. I use pills because I like the way they feel, I use weed to fill up time

thats nice hardly scientific or more to the point totally irrelevant 8)
 
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panic_the_digital said:
^As others have pointed out, their sample and methods hardly qualify as science. History has shown you to be the exception, not the rule.

its not just this study but many others. but thats beside the point. the reason this is difficult to understand is because a VERY HIGH percentage of people who regularly smoke tobacco become addicted. with cigarettes being addicted is the norm whereas using them occasionally on an ongoing bases is the exception. the exact opposite is true for marijuana. with marijuana, only about 7-15% of regular users become addicted. the rest are able to use it with moderation.

this is what gives rise to the whole "tobacco withdrawal is worse" idea. and there is some truth to this idea in a GENERAL sense. but it is a mistake to apply when it is GENERALLY true to each individual user and expect it to hold true for them. in other words, hardcore marijuana addicts have just as difficult a time quitting marijuana as hardcore tobacco addicts have quitting cigarettes. the only difference is that tobacco produces many many more hardcore addicts. i hope this clears things up.
 
I think the major factor in this 'study' would be that quitting a habit as powerful as cigarett smoking or regular dope smoking causes anxiety and irritabilty, which in turn manifest as the symptoms described. When I quit pot for periods, as I have recently, I tend to get VERY anxious, and ill. Certainly a very unpleasant sensation. But- this stems from resttlessness, the brains inabilyt to rapidly change etc. I don't think its anything chemical- I don't think weed causes chemeical dependence, but mental dependance, ime, is largely worse.
 
From what I've read I'd say this study is about right on.
I remember not being able to find weed with an 1/8 (heady) a day habit, and honestly it feels about the same as not smoking cigarettes.(after a pack a day for a couple weeks/months...who's keepin track anyway?)
I mean pretty much the whole thing seems pretty identical in retrospect. At the time not smoking weed felt like a sin, while as quitting cigs feels almost the same now.
so yeah, i guess i agree with the headline for once.... what else can i say?

then again...from the article:

"None of the subjects intended to quit using either substance, did not use any other illicit drugs in the prior month, were not on any psychotropic medication, did not have a psychiatric disorder"

so I guess that rules me out :\
 
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phatass said:
i smoked pot daily for about five years n stopped overnight no probs.... have been smoking ciggs 6 years and it's impossible to stop... hopefully this new "champix" stuff might give me a chance

but how many grams of pot did you smoke each day?
 
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