johnboy
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Marijuana or Martinis?
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GreenAlien
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....Is this a trick question?
The only martini I like is the one on the Lancia HF Delta Integrale!
Give me green-bud anytime, everytime and DAMN the memory loss!
The only martini I like is the one on the Lancia HF Delta Integrale!
Give me green-bud anytime, everytime and DAMN the memory loss!
Bent
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sorry, give me a vodka martini any day (and yes I realise many purists would prefer gin, but it just doesn't do much for me).
eds-hed
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Bent, have you tried bombay saphire gin?
GEz
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johnboy, does this mean you are in favour of marijuana legalisation?
I prefer a smoke over a drink myself but i did a little research into the "Gateway Theory" and it showed that the majority of people who tried marijuana moved on to try other drugs (true for myself) including speed, xtc, coke, heroin and so on. Maybe this is why the government chooses to keep marijuana illegal. Unfortunately, with this kind of evidence and view being adopted, i don't think legalisation going to happen.
In reading up on the Gateway Theory it was also interesting to find that the majority of people who haven't tried mull do not consider alcohol a drug, or a bad at least.
PS: this is my first reply, appropriate?
I prefer a smoke over a drink myself but i did a little research into the "Gateway Theory" and it showed that the majority of people who tried marijuana moved on to try other drugs (true for myself) including speed, xtc, coke, heroin and so on. Maybe this is why the government chooses to keep marijuana illegal. Unfortunately, with this kind of evidence and view being adopted, i don't think legalisation going to happen.
In reading up on the Gateway Theory it was also interesting to find that the majority of people who haven't tried mull do not consider alcohol a drug, or a bad at least.
PS: this is my first reply, appropriate?
Bent
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Yep, tried Bombay, but unfortunately gin does nothing for me. Unfortunate, because there are some really appealing cocktails with gin.
hippy
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GEz- i tried alcohol and then moved on to try other drugs.
johnboy
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very appropriate... yes i am in favour of decriminalisation... but i think the gateway theory is a load of toss... hippy beat me to it in saying that 10 out of 10 people who start taking drugs also drank alcohol first... where do you draw the line?
abstinence is a nice fantasy but do you really want to live like a Mormon?
all i'm after is a realistic perception of the dangers of drugs... dangers which i openly admit... i just want society to let me, and other people, make an informed, mature choice, and not be treated like retarded children...
abstinence is a nice fantasy but do you really want to live like a Mormon?
all i'm after is a realistic perception of the dangers of drugs... dangers which i openly admit... i just want society to let me, and other people, make an informed, mature choice, and not be treated like retarded children...
tranquilo
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gateway theory....what a load of old cobblers
bent - i agree, gin makes me kinda moody/maudlin, but vodka
have you tried absolut kurrant? with tonic....what a drink
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bent - i agree, gin makes me kinda moody/maudlin, but vodka
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GEz
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I realised a flaw in my reply when talking about the Gateway theory in that i forgot to mention that alcohol and tobacco use preceed any other drug use.
Alcohol and tobacco are the drugs that people first try, some people stop there, others don't. I know everybody hates them and wants to know where they came from but the statistics and percentages show that those people who don't stop there, usually try marijuana next and then move on to other things. Hence it is an important drug for the government to stop people taking.
If you don't mind me asking johnboy, hippy and tranquilo what was the order of your drug taking?
Mine was alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, speed, mdma, acid.
Remember there are always exceptions, i'm not saying this is the way it has to be but of the people i have met and asked, the Gateway theory usually applies.
Alcohol and tobacco are the drugs that people first try, some people stop there, others don't. I know everybody hates them and wants to know where they came from but the statistics and percentages show that those people who don't stop there, usually try marijuana next and then move on to other things. Hence it is an important drug for the government to stop people taking.
If you don't mind me asking johnboy, hippy and tranquilo what was the order of your drug taking?
Mine was alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, speed, mdma, acid.
Remember there are always exceptions, i'm not saying this is the way it has to be but of the people i have met and asked, the Gateway theory usually applies.
pinger
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Gateway theory my cheeks.
well, my mum gave me panadol when i was a kid, i guess that makes her the "Gatekeeper" (cue spooky Dungeons and Dragons music).
Most often the catalyst or "gateway" is not mull, it's curiosity, boredom and opportunity. Pot is often just there at the time (usually teenage years). Join the dots on that one.
well, my mum gave me panadol when i was a kid, i guess that makes her the "Gatekeeper" (cue spooky Dungeons and Dragons music).
Most often the catalyst or "gateway" is not mull, it's curiosity, boredom and opportunity. Pot is often just there at the time (usually teenage years). Join the dots on that one.
Bent
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Don't mind the current, but my favourite has to be the Absolut Citrus
tranquilo
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yep...the citron is a good one. its good to have a bottle of both on hand (IMHO ) cause the citron is a nice refreshing 'start of the night' drink while the kurrant slips down easier later.
finlandia cranberry is a lovely liquid too.
what was that fizz you recommended Bent? Might be having a bottle this w/e
gEZ - er gateway theory....well yes my timeline of fun probably follows your booze, fags, pot etc sequence but lets face it (and i'm simply reiterating what pinger has said); your 14 and want to join the adult world...the most easily accessible things are beer and fags. Not only that but your role models at home, in the street, on tv, where-ever are all doing these drugs. It's only as you get older that you:
a) realise there are other options
b) have the connections and the cash to try them
Imagine your theory 100 odd years ago - opium would be high up on the list....nicotine wouldn't even be on the list. Don't fall into the trap of the media; that "drugs" are a new and modern "evil"...the gateway theory simply reinforces the ideal that legal (i.e. taxable) substances are good and that illegal (i.e. "we are not making any revenue on this drug") are bad.
For evidence look at Holland; de-crimilisation has led to fewer people not only using dope but also heroin. People are responsible - but responsibility is power and governments want to take as much power from the individual as they can.
In answer to JB's original question i'll have the MJ and a martini...fuckit you only live once
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finlandia cranberry is a lovely liquid too.
what was that fizz you recommended Bent? Might be having a bottle this w/e
gEZ - er gateway theory....well yes my timeline of fun probably follows your booze, fags, pot etc sequence but lets face it (and i'm simply reiterating what pinger has said); your 14 and want to join the adult world...the most easily accessible things are beer and fags. Not only that but your role models at home, in the street, on tv, where-ever are all doing these drugs. It's only as you get older that you:
a) realise there are other options
b) have the connections and the cash to try them
Imagine your theory 100 odd years ago - opium would be high up on the list....nicotine wouldn't even be on the list. Don't fall into the trap of the media; that "drugs" are a new and modern "evil"...the gateway theory simply reinforces the ideal that legal (i.e. taxable) substances are good and that illegal (i.e. "we are not making any revenue on this drug") are bad.
For evidence look at Holland; de-crimilisation has led to fewer people not only using dope but also heroin. People are responsible - but responsibility is power and governments want to take as much power from the individual as they can.
In answer to JB's original question i'll have the MJ and a martini...fuckit you only live once
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dil8dpupil
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well im not a pot smoker and have an occasional drink every now and again BUT i dont think ones worse than the other, actually id have to say drinking may be worse. but when you get really into this question you have to ask yourself WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE DOPE DEALERS??? it would then be sold in shops, then prices would rise.
I dont think it would be as good as people may think, i mean its not hard to buy it now anyway! as for the gateway theory id have to agree with pinger, eg: my mum smoked pot around me for years, i was curious as to the feeling so i tried it. and if the gateway theory was true whats next on your agenda???
*HUGS*
I dont think it would be as good as people may think, i mean its not hard to buy it now anyway! as for the gateway theory id have to agree with pinger, eg: my mum smoked pot around me for years, i was curious as to the feeling so i tried it. and if the gateway theory was true whats next on your agenda???
*HUGS*
johnboy
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er look... how can you still believe in the gateway theory after you've neatly deconstructed it yourself?...
alcohol and tobacco are just drugs, drugs which must be part of the chain... the bulk of australias population do no more than those two drugs... over 50% of our adult population drinks, and just under half smoke... yet the percentage of people who take illicit drugs is much much lower, probably less than 10%...
so how come these people haven't "gatewayed" onto heroin already? my 90 year old nanna has been smoking and drinking for over 70 years... are you telling me that she's just been biding her time and is about to get a 4 gramm a day smack habit?
its convenient for many people to blame their continued use of drugs in something like the gateway theory... they can just go z"oh well its not me, its the evil weed thats making me want to try other drugs"
this is the same failure to take personal responisbility that has made modern society so fucked IMHO... when you have people saying "oh its not my fault i screw every woman i see, im a sex addict" you gotta ask yourself why cant these people take personal responisibility?
like i said above... i take drugs and it is my choice as an adult... i know the risks and i am willing totake them and no matter what happens i only have myself to blame...
i will never use any device such as "gateway theory" or "addicitve personality" to try and distance myself from that responsibility... what eer happens is my fault...
understand where i'm coming from now?
alcohol and tobacco are just drugs, drugs which must be part of the chain... the bulk of australias population do no more than those two drugs... over 50% of our adult population drinks, and just under half smoke... yet the percentage of people who take illicit drugs is much much lower, probably less than 10%...
so how come these people haven't "gatewayed" onto heroin already? my 90 year old nanna has been smoking and drinking for over 70 years... are you telling me that she's just been biding her time and is about to get a 4 gramm a day smack habit?
its convenient for many people to blame their continued use of drugs in something like the gateway theory... they can just go z"oh well its not me, its the evil weed thats making me want to try other drugs"
this is the same failure to take personal responisbility that has made modern society so fucked IMHO... when you have people saying "oh its not my fault i screw every woman i see, im a sex addict" you gotta ask yourself why cant these people take personal responisibility?
like i said above... i take drugs and it is my choice as an adult... i know the risks and i am willing totake them and no matter what happens i only have myself to blame...
i will never use any device such as "gateway theory" or "addicitve personality" to try and distance myself from that responsibility... what eer happens is my fault...
understand where i'm coming from now?
Bent
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Pelorus from Cloudy Bay NZ is my personal favourite, but both Clover Hill from Tas and Crosser are also worth a look.
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
tranquilo
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The dealers would become legal and make far more money because they wouldn't have to fear being busted and would therefore have more customers.
GreenAlien
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Hmmmm.. I would have thought if the drugs became legal that the dd's would make LESS money in a sense..cos the pill production would be controlled, the govt would take a little tax from 'em and we'd all be in MDMA heaven! They'd probably have more ppl going to them sure but they couldn't ask exorbitant prices for a pill or 1000 (he he)..
I think we should be allowed to make informed choices of whatever our 'evil' might be. I get so annoyed when I hear people ranting on about how bad drugs are, but are quite happy to go out and get pissed several nights on the trot..I applaud Quantum on the series that they did which covered all the drugs, like caffeine, tobacco, ecstasy etc. there needs to be more of this sort of information bandied around to the general populus..like that word?
as far as the gateway theory goes, absolute shit. People will try what they have access to, generally what their peers are using, and even then, some wouldn't taint their bodies that way!! and anyhow, i do believe we've had a thread on this recently ....!
as far as the gateway theory goes, absolute shit. People will try what they have access to, generally what their peers are using, and even then, some wouldn't taint their bodies that way!! and anyhow, i do believe we've had a thread on this recently ....!
tranquilo
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i was talking more of bud than anything else...the price might drop a bit but variety would increase i.e. different strains of plant produce differing effects
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