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Making GHB without measuring

TheDJ

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A friend of mine wants to make GHB but he hasn't got an accurate. The only thing he has is a normal analogue kitchen scale.
He wants to weigh his gbl and naoh with it.
Then he wants to add 90 percent of the naoh (in solution) and start measuring the PH till it reaches 8.
My question is: How much NaOH makes the difference between a pH of 14 or higher and a pH of 8? How many ml? I've tried to find it out using these formula's but i didn't suceed. I hope there's one smart ass in here who can help me ;-)
10^pOH = -log[OH-]
pH = 14 - pOH
 
i've spent entirely too long doing this.
oh, but it's been fun.
1. roches being a bastard about pH
your method won't work. that's for an aqueous solution of NaOH. well, that whole pH thing is just ridiculously high-school. if methods of measuring acidity were ravers, pondus hydrogenii would wear plastic bracelets dyed with phenolphthalein and methyl orange up to its elbows.
however, how much NaOH DOES make the difference between pH 8 and pH 14? assuming that NaOH dissociates fully, the difference would be 1 mol/L - 1x10^-6 mol/L = 0.9999 mol/L. pH is wack, remember. i can't give the answer in mL without guessing a concentration and the volume of your reaction mixture. and--this is the really cool part--you can't determine the pH or concentration of an NaOH solution by weighing it, because it absorbs significant amounts of water from the air. you have to standardize it with (usually) a known concentration of potassium hydrogen phthalate.
so, can i have a bracelet? =)
3. roches on the henderson-hasselbach equation
note that none of this could possibly have any application to anything *bad*. it's just a random, off-topic discussion of acid-base chemistry.
first, the equilibrium constant of an acid-base reaction is:
(1) pKa = - log ([H+][A-]/[HA]) where A represents any anion
this can be related to the pH of the reaction mixture thus:
(2) pH = pKa + log ([A-]/[HA]) the Henderson-Hasselbach equation
here, [A-] can also be called [base] or even [product] (if it's a unimolecular reaction with all coefficients = 1) and [HA] can be called [acid] or [reactant].
in this *cough* reaction, you can use this to estimate both the pH of the solution containing a given ratio of reactants and products and the ratio at a given pH, if you assume that the reaction itself goes to completion (that is, that all the anion would be converted to the product). also, you need to know the pKa for the reactant here.
you can get a lot more out of that equation than just the answer to your question, but these are the two you asked. i'm assuming the pKa is 4.5, but i'm only basing this on an MSDS sheet saying the pH of the 99% solution is 4.5, so i could be totally wrong.
the pH of the reaction mixture after addition of 0.9 molar equivalents of NaOH
pH = pKa + log ([A-]/[HA])
pH = 4.5 + log (9/1)
pH = 4.5 + 0.95
pH = 5.45
the composition of the reaction mixture at pH 8
pH = pKa + log ([A-]/[HA])
8 = 4.5 + log ([A-]/[HA])
3.5 = log ([A-]/[HA])
([A-]/[HA]) = 3162 as far as you're concerned this means [HA] = 0
interpret these however you want. this will not be totally accurate, for several reasons (e.g. the equilibrium constant of the overall reaction, and the possible presence of ethanol or some other protic solvent).
the end.
 
**Tosses Roaches one of my Bracelets**
Awsome answer roaches!
Chemistry ROCKS!
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Usually any post that speaks of "Candy Bracelets" would be grounds for a HARSH reply and a closed post, yet Roches was able to make me laugh harder then I have in awhile! DAMN GOOD ANSWER!
Roches is the president of the Other Drugs Chemistry Goons Club (ODCGC) .. rock on!
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well respects.=)
thats what people get when they make me listen to house...
phreex: yo, mah boys gonna hook me up wit tha bombin antimony pentafluoride disulfate, yo.
carbon thugz squad: rinsin' it out wit acetone inside tha fume hood
 
I see that my question doesn't really make sense. I was kinda stoned when I wrote it.
I ask how many ml, how to hell should anyone
know that without knowing the concentration of my solution.
Well whatever, He'll just weigh it approximately, add 90 percent of it all, then
start measuring ph after every teaspoon NaOH solution he adds.
Will he be able to make a pure ghb solution this way?
[This message has been edited by TheDJ (edited 09 July 2001).]
 
It's all just for the record if the authorities ever go after you.
 
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