Kratom Made some kratom extract

[daturetard]

Tldr; dried the extract at 410 f in an oven, not nessicarilly burnt, but the sides of the pan were black and bubbly. Any idea what mitragynine degrades into when under that sort of heat for about 2 hours?

It was with everclear as well as motherwort and Saint John's wort. It had already been tinctured before, that time with lemongrass, lemon balm, licorice, chamomile, and bags of both sleepy time extra tea and cats claw tea.

I strained the tincture, but there was lots of alcohol still left in the menstruum (herbs soaked), so I made a mildly alcoholic cold water extract by just soaking in filtered water. This is still in the fridge.

I then made a hot (boiling, steeped) water extract, multiple times, and essentially made a muddy, very wet kratom sludge, removing all of the larger pieces of plant material. Then I filtered it a final time, and dried it on a glass baking sheet at 410 degrees farenheit in the oven.

I got to it right as the last bit of water was evaporating at the bottom, but think I was a bit late, the water would have still evaporated if I got to it 5/10 mins earlier, and also probably put it at too high a temp trying to dry it faster. It took a long time to scrape from the pan. Very sticky. And I even needed some everclear after that.

Anybody know what mitragynine degrades into?

Honestly I wouldn't recommend this much work for the like 3-5 grams of tar I got. Haven't tried it yet. It's an 'off' day.

 

[Halif2]

How much of the tar substance are you planning on taking when you test it out?

I'm not much of a kratom user but I'd be interested to know how it goes. Good luck!

 

[daturetard]

How much of the tar substance are you planning on taking when you test it out?

I'm not much of a kratom user but I'd be interested to know how it goes. Good luck!

Gonna take a cap full of it, around a 5th of the ending substance, today. Don't have a scale right now, so I have no clue exactly how much.

 

[daturetard]

How much of the tar substance are you planning on taking when you test it out?

I'm not much of a kratom user but I'd be interested to know how it goes. Good luck!

Took that capsule this morning with a coffee, 30mg dxm, 25mg dph and one of the shitty otc phenylephrine decongestants.(Last two were in a combination pill) I think I could have got more in the cap if I heated it to make it maluble again, it was only like half full when I squished it, but I guess even if I filled it again, I could have kept doing that and fit like half the puddy in there.

I feel pretty good, and though I normally don't drink coffee at all, I don't feel very stimulated. Kind of feel greatful I didn't take more, as I felt some nausea at an earlier point and would have been mad as fuck if I had to taste that shit coming back up. It smells very floral but the taste is just concentrated kratom that sticks to your tongue if you don't have alcohol to dissolve it in, or, thr healthier option, a capsule.

Music sounds really good right now.

 

[Quasimoto]

There was a nice homemade guidance to basic kratom kitchen extraction tek posted by @lasveghostgrower (sp?). Sorry I can't find the post, but it's still here.

I believe he also used ethanol, but his results were dry brownish red crystals. This is also consistent with basic extracts I see for sale. Often 3:1 in strength. Large, flaky brownish red crystals.

More advanced extractions often utilize methanol, not ethanol, and are a next level that would not be advisable in a basement. (Methanol is extremely deadly if vapors are inhaled)

 

[daturetard]

There was a nice homemade guidance to basic kratom kitchen extraction tek posted by @lasveghostgrower (sp?). Sorry I can't find the post, but it's still here.

I believe he also used ethanol, but his results were dry brownish red crystals. This is also consistent with basic extracts I see for sale. Often 3:1 in strength. Large, flaky brownish red crystals.

More advanced extractions often utilize methanol, not ethanol, and are a next level that would not be advisable in a basement. (Methanol is extremely deadly if vapors are inhaled)

I see. It looks like he used isopropanol, and only allowed it to soak for about 15 minutes. I had mine soaking for about a week, so I'm guessing a lot more non active stuff was pulled into mine. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Halif2]

I feel pretty good

Sounds like it was a success.

Kratom doesn't have much of a half-life, does it? 4 - 6 hours of noticeable effects? Sounds about right?

How long did your extract work? Do you get any rebound or hangover from it?

I've only used it a dozen or so times and they were all during an opiate detox. It didn't touch the sides for me, unfortunately. It was probably too much of me to expect it to do much when kicking a multi-year long habit during which I had dosed multiple times a day. I know a lot of people swear by it for opioid WDs though so it's good it works well for some.

 

[daturetard]

Sounds like it was a success.

Kratom doesn't have much of a half-life, does it? 4 - 6 hours of noticeable effects? Sounds about right?

How long did your extract work? Do you get any rebound or hangover from it?

I've only used it a dozen or so times and they were all during an opiate detox. It didn't touch the sides for me, unfortunately. It was probably too much of me to expect it to do much when kicking a multi-year long habit during which I had dosed multiple times a day. I know a lot of people swear by it for opioid WDs though so it's good it works well for some.

It lasted about 3 hours. Id equate it to maybe 120 mg codeine with a shorter duration. I never get rebound from kratom. This was no exception. I think if I were still taking oxy or even opium the kratom wouldn't give me much.

 

[mikesorrentinoe]

Took that capsule this morning with a coffee, 30mg dxm, 25mg dph and one of the shitty otc phenylephrine decongestants.(Last two were in a combination pill) I think I could have got more in the cap if I heated it to make it maluble again, it was only like half full when I squished it, but I guess even if I filled it again, I could have kept doing that and fit like half the puddy in there.

I feel pretty good, and though I normally don't drink coffee at all, I don't feel very stimulated. Kind of feel greatful I didn't take more, as I felt some nausea at an earlier point and would have been mad as fuck if I had to taste that shit coming back up. It smells very floral but the taste is just concentrated kratom that sticks to your tongue if you don't have alcohol to dissolve it in, or, thr healthier option, a capsule.

Music sounds really good right now.

I was really interested in trying this and figuring the process out. So did you get the wobbles at all off of this? Did you use a red also? thank you

 

[daturetard]

I was really interested in trying this and figuring the process out. So did you get the wobbles at all off of this? Did you use a red also? thank you

No wobbles for me personally, mostly I experience them from large doses of powder. Red maeng da, as well.

 

[Quasimoto]

Kratom doesn't have much of a half-life, does it? 4 - 6 hours of noticeable effects? Sounds about right?

With zero opioid or kratom tolerance, and a moderately high dose, the effects last about 6-8 hours. Once you develop heavy tolerance, they last about 2-3 hours.

The half life is a little more complicated than that, and is actually closer to 24 hours, but that doesn't correlate to the duration of effects at all.

Any idea what mitragynine degrades into when under that sort of heat for about 2 hours?

"Finally, mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine were reported to be unstable and degrading, possibly over short periods of time (Basiliere and Kerrigan 2020). Currently, compounds resulting from the process of degradation of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine are unknown"

If they were toxic degredation products, I think we would know by now.

I've read it degrades more quickly in acidic solutions. However it shouldn't be a worry, a lot of those kratom shots, like OPMS, have a shit load of citric acid... and those sit on shelves for years and retain their potency.