LSD/MDMA - Inexperienced - Sleep deprivation or tripping?

[Username_AlphaNiner]

Candyflip - Inexperienced - Sleep deprivation or tripping?

Well, I decided to candyflip for my first time this weekend. At 9pm I dropped a hit of acid and waited about an hour....then decided to take a tab. An hour after dropping the pill, things started to get weird. I'm at a party with about 7-10 other tripping people...a few of them are also flipping. When the roll hit, I was propelled into a cartoon world. I thought it couldn't possibly get any weirder...I was definitely wrong.

We're all just hanging out....Water color painting...when a couple of my friends who decided to candyflip too came in. Both looked extremely fucked up and drugged out. It was the most disturbing sight I have ever seen. Jaws forward and spouting off stupid shit that in no way made any sense....and they weren't just trying to fuck with people. I was absolutely disgusted by this...good thing they decdied to leave. After they left, I decided to drop 2 more hits...because I actually felt like things couldn't get any weirder again...heh.

We continued to watercolor....and smoke a lot of weed. I'm tripping the fuck out...full on visuals...fucking geometric patterns breaking down and overlapping all over in front of me. Everything was in octagons. It was crazy. Colors were shooting everywhere...and everything was super bright. The roll felt great still, and I decided to take it to the next level and start finger painting. Man, was that fun. Then, after a little while...beginning to feel fried.....we smoked some more weed in a hippie circle in the owner of the house's back yard. After a while, I realized that I was coming down from the roll....I started to feel a bit cracked out....as it WAS 8am the next morning.

Things continued to get worse after that. I tried to just pass out, because I know I looked as bad as I felt...but I was still tripping pretty hard. And we all know how easy it is to sleep on acid.

I decided to give up on the sleeping and go get some BOOZE! We started drinking at around 10am. And we finished the case by 2pm. Shit, I'm not drunk at all. I'm still tripping out. X_X

I decided to say, 'fuck it....i'm just going to keep drinking and I'll eventually fall asleep.' Well, at 6pm, we go on a MARIJUANA run...because we have been consistantly smoking the entire journey. At this point, I don't even know if I'm still tripping...or if I'm drunk...or if I'm drunk and tripping...and sleep deprived. As the night went on...I slowly felt the merger of tripping and drunk turn into drunk. Damn, what a nice feeling this was. No more tripping! There's another party at the same guy's house...except with more alcohol. So we all keep on partying, until we slowly drop 1 by 1. At around 3am, I finally decide to go to sleep.

After all of this, I decided that acid is a fucked up drug...especially mixed with ecstasy. Sure you gain 'perspective changing knowledge.' But when it comes down to it, you're just taking a drug to spin your mind in circles and see patterns. Of course, it's fun tripping nuts...but I've decided not to take it for a mind bending tool...and for what it really is - a drug. Acid is so easily available here...so it's easy to do it a lot. But, the thing is...it's just as bad as anything else when you don't keep it in moderation...because it is a drug.

 

[bluedolphin]

Wow I can relate to a lot of what you're talking about in this report.... especially trying to pass myself out by drinking on acid comedowns. Like you said though its really hard to get drunk on acid

I still think LSD is a powerful learning tool, but after a little bit of excessive acid-eating this summer/early fall I have seen the darker, more twisted side of this drug as well.

Drinking excessively on acid comedowns is lots of fun as long as you give in to the probability that you won't be getting any sleep anyway...

peace

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

I've learned plenty...but not because of the acid. I mean, honestly....You can't say "if I had never dropped acid one time, I wouldn't be the same person I am today"...because, people are the same...tripping or not tripping. It's just a lot trippier when you are tripping....imagine that.

The thing I kind of got lost in was "man, this drug isn't bad because it's not physically harmful....and I learn shit!" But, when it comes down to it...I KNEW the shit that I learned (well, I learned how to trip people out a little better )....and your mind is as fragile as your body. Acid is a DRUG. Any drug will affect your mind. mmmm, cocaine.

When it comes down to it all, though...seeing fractical patterns is fun....but being cracked out the next day isn't. If I could sleep on acid, there would be a lot easier of a mental comedown. But then again, we take acid to go insane, right? So, sleep deprivation is fun too, right? No, it's not....because there's no weird noises and fractical patterns. Right? ;P

 

[Mean Girl]

It sounds like you need to be more introspective when you're taking LSD, rather than just thinking "Weed!....Booze!", you lose a lot of the power of acid when you fritter it away on mindless things. One of the best things to do when tripping is to draw a mind map, it's where you try and map out EVERYTHING you're thinking about on a piece of paper...and on acid you end up with a word mural (but it's great), and then you start getting lost in the meanings of WHY you're thinking about all that....

In short, it's great

(psst, no slang in your report titles )

 

[bluedolphin]

^^
Everyone has their own trips, and sometimes it ain't nothing more than a survival trip.

The survival of one's sanity, that is. And that's where the booze comes in handy.

It's easy to say people should go into trips with more respect for the drug and themselves. But you can't help who you are, and once you dive in you gotta find someway to swim your way out.

 

[Mean Girl]

^^ Which is where you really start to learn about yourself, I know

 

[Church]

If I could sleep on acid, there would be a lot easier of a mental comedown.

Yeah, I usually go right to sleep, after the heavy trip is over and while there are still plenty of residual effects. When I wake up the next day I feel super-refreshed! No hangover, confusion, or general ate-up-ness to speak of.

But then again, we take acid to go insane, right?

Uhhh, no. Not me, anyway.

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

JOKE!

It was kind of one of those trips "am i going insane? or is everyone else around me?" haha

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

It sounds like you need to be more introspective when you're taking LSD, rather than just thinking "Weed!....Booze!", you lose a lot of the power of acid when you fritter it away on mindless things. One of the best things to do when tripping is to draw a mind map, it's where you try and map out EVERYTHING you're thinking about on a piece of paper...and on acid you end up with a word mural (but it's great), and then you start getting lost in the meanings of WHY you're thinking about all that....

In short, it's great

(psst, no slang in your report titles )

I can be introspective without LSD...and I won't be thinking about life decisions while under the influence of a drug. I take the drug to have a good time and to feel good. I mean, when it comes down to it...that's what it's for. The problem with LSD, is, you take LSD because it's going to be fun, but then you start thinking about shit that matters, and it turns into...thinking about shit that matters while on acid. No one likes thinking about school or work while tripping. The power of acid is the FRACTICAL PATTERNS AND WEIRD NOISES...not gaining knowledge about life! Drawing a mind map...and then getting lost in the meanings of WHY you're drawing a mind map is just as good as drinking a lot and wondering WHY you're not drunk yet. Because, the reason for both of those is YOU ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A VERY POWERFUL DRUG.

In the end, it was fun. I have no regrets of any of the times I've dropped acid. I've had a lot of fun and I've learned a lot about myself....but mostly because my mind was moving so quickly, so I just learned what I would have learned *that-much-faster.* I will drop acid again, no doubt....but I just don't feel like I need to again anytime soon. It becomes mentally hexing....because your mind is moving so fast....because you're under the influence of a DRUG. If you think you're not getting fucked up when you're on acid, you're confused. The acid is blocking reality. I mean, would you drive on acid? No. Because you're fucked up.

 

[Church]

The power of acid is the FRACTICAL PATTERNS AND WEIRD NOISES...not gaining knowledge about life! Drawing a mind map...and then getting lost in the meanings of WHY you're drawing a mind map is just as good as drinking a lot and wondering WHY you're not drunk yet.

The simple fact that you would compare tripping on acid to being drunk on alcohol says enough.

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

I didn't compare them at all. Acid is an incredibly powerful drug. I was simply saying "you can't get drunk on acid...because it's not possible... why is it not possible? because you're on acid."

Believe me, I've gone through ego death, I've gone through introspective cycles, I've gone through self loathing....but I've finally realized that I don't need to do drugs to do this shit...the drugs just make it more intense because I'm on drugs that are making my mind think faster.

I take drugs to have fun...and I realize that drugs SHOULD be taken to have fun...but you have to keep in touch with 'I can have fun WITHOUT drugs, too.'

Sure, I gain shit from my trips every time I trip...but it's always stuff I already knew. This time, it was "DRUGS ARE BAD....................but it's fun being fucked up"

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

I didn't compare them at all. Acid is an incredibly powerful drug. I was simply saying "you can't get drunk on acid...because it's not possible... why is it not possible? because you're on acid."

What I mean by that is...you get lost in the meanings, the WHY's behind things, because you're TRIPPING. Your mind sends you around in fractical patterns. You can splatter food everywhere and wonder why you were doing that....well, because you were intoxicated...on acid...your head was moving really fast and it stopped in a place that wasn't a good place to stop on. You can watch your best friend trip out and take off all of his cloths...and wonder why the fuck did he do that? surely there's logical reasoning....oh, ya, he's on acid...he's just tripping really hard and he's not quite sure what is going on.

Now with such a powerful drug...do you really think it's a good idea to think about shit that matters in your life? I've watched friends move out of their houses after a trip...move back into their parents houses after a trip...quit their job after a trip...etc. Making decisions that affect your non-trip life while tripping = bad.

 

[Church]

Now with such a powerful drug...do you really think it's a good idea to think about shit that matters in your life? I've watched friends move out of their houses after a trip...move back into their parents houses after a trip...quit their job after a trip...etc. Making decisions that affect your non-trip life while tripping = bad.

Okay, I see what you're saying now, but I'm going to disagree. Because, I mean, who are you to conclude that these decisions that were made are bad? What if the person who quit their job after a trip goes on to become rich and powerful, because of a change in direction of life? What if the person who moves back into his parents' house after a trip develops a strong bond with his father that he never had while growing up, because of powerful emotions recently stirred?

I've made some hardcore crazy decisions while 'under the influence' that I followed through with the next day, and I don't regret any of them. Some of the things I've accomplished and experienced in my life so far are directly related to the impulsive decisions I've made while tripping. For instance, I probably never would have moved out of state to a place where I have no family or friends, to intern at a recording studio where I would eventually wind up working with huge hiphop and rock stars, if I hadn't held onto the convictions I made while tripping.

I mean, feel free to go on tripping and not looking for meaning behind it all. I'm not gonna tell anyone how to live. I just think the real, fundamental reason why these substances exist is for us to become aware of what's wrong or right in our lives, in the world, and then resolve to change them.

Everyone is different I suppose.

 

[Leg]

When your mind starts spinning and you see fractal patterns everywhere, man, just mellow for a second. You ever tried tripping alone? Yea, that leaves more room for relaxation + introspection. Then you will see how the patterns + the mind-warp are connected. There is a fundamental unity/duality that creates all the fractals/motion/etc. I think that's what acid and similar drugs are really for...you catch a glimpse of that fundamental concept, and you won't have any desire for alcohol or marijuana anytime in the near future. peace

 

[Mean Girl]

I can be introspective without LSD...and I won't be thinking about life decisions while under the influence of a drug. I take the drug to have a good time and to feel good. I mean, when it comes down to it...that's what it's for. The problem with LSD, is, you take LSD because it's going to be fun, but then you start thinking about shit that matters, and it turns into...thinking about shit that matters while on acid. No one likes thinking about school or work while tripping. The power of acid is the FRACTICAL PATTERNS AND WEIRD NOISES...not gaining knowledge about life! Drawing a mind map...and then getting lost in the meanings of WHY you're drawing a mind map is just as good as drinking a lot and wondering WHY you're not drunk yet. Because, the reason for both of those is YOU ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A VERY POWERFUL DRUG.

In the end, it was fun. I have no regrets of any of the times I've dropped acid. I've had a lot of fun and I've learned a lot about myself....but mostly because my mind was moving so quickly, so I just learned what I would have learned *that-much-faster.* I will drop acid again, no doubt....but I just don't feel like I need to again anytime soon. It becomes mentally hexing....because your mind is moving so fast....because you're under the influence of a DRUG. If you think you're not getting fucked up when you're on acid, you're confused. The acid is blocking reality. I mean, would you drive on acid? No. Because you're fucked up.

I too will disagree, but I want to specify for the record that everyone is different, so if you choose to only take LSD to have fun, then that's fine, that's your decision, but nobody is here or allowed to tell anybody else why to take recreational drugs. For the record, I quite like solving maths puzzles whilst tripping, but that's just me. I take LSD for an entirely different reason to you, but my reasons while possibly not valid to you, are valid to me.

I admit, I slip into the mindframe of cursing people that don't seem to use LSD for similar reasons to me, I'm admittedly not a fan of those who just take it to get fucked up [anyone see the movie Bully? That kind of deal...], but I, like the rest of you, need to get off my high horse every so often and remember.

I think that's a long enough rant from me tonight. Let's keep all this clean gentlemen.

 

[egad]

I can be introspective without LSD...and I won't be thinking about life decisions while under the influence of a drug. I take the drug to have a good time and to feel good. I mean, when it comes down to it...that's what it's for. The problem with LSD, is, you take LSD because it's going to be fun, but then you start thinking about shit that matters, and it turns into...thinking about shit that matters while on acid. No one likes thinking about school or work while tripping. The power of acid is the FRACTICAL PATTERNS AND WEIRD NOISES...not gaining knowledge about life! Drawing a mind map...and then getting lost in the meanings of WHY you're drawing a mind map is just as good as drinking a lot and wondering WHY you're not drunk yet. Because, the reason for both of those is YOU ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A VERY POWERFUL DRUG.

In the end, it was fun. I have no regrets of any of the times I've dropped acid. I've had a lot of fun and I've learned a lot about myself....but mostly because my mind was moving so quickly, so I just learned what I would have learned *that-much-faster.* I will drop acid again, no doubt....but I just don't feel like I need to again anytime soon. It becomes mentally hexing....because your mind is moving so fast....because you're under the influence of a DRUG. If you think you're not getting fucked up when you're on acid, you're confused. The acid is blocking reality. I mean, would you drive on acid? No. Because you're fucked up.

While meangirl has already said much of what i wanted to convey, i'd simply like to add that perhaps someone such as yourself who wants to just "get high and have fun" should leave powerful HEALING tools for those who are actually looking to move forward rather than sit and spin going "oooh, pretty!". To be honest my first reaction after reading the above message was a resounding fuck you , as i am quite sick of reading trip reports that consist of "me and a buddy took x amount of x, x and x. We got really fucked up and saw the craziest shit ever! The end." Which is why i normally just skim through this section. But... meangirl was indeed the voice of reason, that i'd normally be, hehe, so good luck and happy tripping! I hope that one day you learn the healing potential of psychedelics and come to understand them as more than a "drug" to "get high" and "have fun" on.

May the Love & Light of the Creator shine upon you always!

Peace

Btw, don't take my words to mean a definitive "don't get high and have fun" because by all means go right ahead, it's fucking fun :D

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

All I'm trying to say is, you can think it's good for you to trip because you *can* work shit out on it...but it's easy to get lost in it. I obviously was introspective, like I said....but it's just not the reason I took acid. I took it to have fun...and that's where the problem was. It's such a powerful drug, that when you start taking it a lot just to have fun, it will become a problem. There's a white and black side to it...the dark side comes with abuse. I abused this amazing substance, and this my words are just the perspective of someone who made that mistake. Like I said, I've learned a lot about myself, and had a lot of fun with it....it's just something that I don't think I should be doing again for a while, because it's one of those drugs that you don't want to take just to have fun all the time. I'm just giving people that might not have looked at it from this angle, a glimpse at what I'm seeing.

Any drug will start fucking with your head when you use it a lot. Sure, it's good once in a month....but when you're doing it 2-3 times every week, it's a problem.

I'm sure everyone that has taken acid recreationally has had these thoughts...drop enough and you'll see the dark side of anything.

Personally, I'll save it for special occasions from now on.... making decisions that involve the rest of your life shouldn't be made while on any drug, as your perspective will be influenced by this drug. It's just a fact. Big decisions should be made when you can at least drive.


EDIT: I keep reading everyone telling me to dig deeper into the 'power' of psychadellics...believe me, I have. I've done this 'mindmap' stuff, I've been introspective, etc...but I don't take the drug to do this stuff. Personally, given the power of the psychadellics, I think it would be a bad idea for ME to dig too deep. Life and drugs should be seperate, in my eyes. When I start making decisions and thinking about things while under the influence of acid or even mushrooms, I wake up the next day and say "that is illogical." It's easy to be blinded by the facts when you're under the influence, because of the fractal patterns breaking down, overlapping, and engulfing you. I once had the same POV of everyone else, but I decided that just wasn't the right thing for *me.* I would rather make decisions that regard the rest of my life while not under the influence of a drug. Falling in love, deciding to move out, deciding to quit your job, etc should be decisions made while sober, for me. You CAN be introspective under the influence of acid, but when you first drop, why are you doing it? To have fun...not to work out issues that involve your life. All I'm saying is, be careful. Acid is extremely powerful, and can shade your vision a little bit. It did mine.

 

[egad]

All I'm trying to say is, you can think it's good for you to trip because you *can* work shit out on it...but it's easy to get lost in it. I obviously was introspective, like I said....but it's just not the reason I took acid. I took it to have fun...and that's where the problem was. It's such a powerful drug, that when you start taking it a lot just to have fun, it will become a problem. There's a white and black side to it...the dark side comes with abuse. I abused this amazing substance, and this my words are just the perspective of someone who made that mistake. Like I said, I've learned a lot about myself, and had a lot of fun with it....it's just something that I don't think I should be doing again for a while, because it's one of those drugs that you don't want to take just to have fun all the time. I'm just giving people that might not have looked at it from this angle, a glimpse at what I'm seeing.

Any drug will start fucking with your head when you use it a lot. Sure, it's good once in a month....but when you're doing it 2-3 times every week, it's a problem.

I'm sure everyone that has taken acid recreationally has had these thoughts...drop enough and you'll see the dark side of anything.

Personally, I'll save it for special occasions from now on.... making decisions that involve the rest of your life shouldn't be made while on any drug, as your perspective will be influenced by this drug. It's just a fact. Big decisions should be made when you can at least drive.

Sound reasoning, and agreed that abuse will lead you to the dark side

I am glad you now choose to save it for special occassions, it will make it much more... special

Making life decisions while on drugs is a subjective thing, Church has already demonstrated that making life decisions while on drugs can be enormously beneficial. I would advocate the same. I have made many life changing decisions while on drugs that have been hugely beneficial. Was it because i was on drugs that i made these decisions? No. It was because i was tuning into my Higher Mind/Higher Self that i made these decisions. Of course any life changing decision decided upon while in an altered state will benefit from sober analysis, hence why meditating/quietly reflecting upon lessons learned post-trip is enormously beneficial.

Peace!

EDIT: I keep reading everyone telling me to dig deeper into the 'power' of psychadellics...believe me, I have. I've done this 'mindmap' stuff, I've been introspective, etc...but I don't take the drug to do this stuff. Personally, given the power of the psychadellics, I think it would be a bad idea for ME to dig too deep. Life and drugs should be seperate, in my eyes. When I start making decisions and thinking about things while under the influence of acid or even mushrooms, I wake up the next day and say "that is illogical." It's easy to be blinded by the facts when you're under the influence, because of the fractal patterns breaking down, overlapping, and engulfing you. I once had the same POV of everyone else, but I decided that just wasn't the right thing for *me.* I would rather make decisions that regard the rest of my life while not under the influence of a drug. Falling in love, deciding to move out, deciding to quit your job, etc should be decisions made while sober, for me. You CAN be introspective under the influence of acid, but when you first drop, why are you doing it? To have fun...not to work out issues that involve your life. All I'm saying is, be careful. Acid is extremely powerful, and can shade your vision a little bit. It did mine

From the way you speak of your acid experiences, they are obviously entire universes apart from my own experiences, or experiences of the people i associate with. For myself (and many others i know) the LSD experience is far less about "mindfuck" and "crazy tripped out fractals/visuals" than it is about clarity ! Clarity of mind, Clarity of vision, Clarity of Being, Clarity of Spirit! :D When i first dropped, it wasn't to have fun, it was to have a spiritual experience, to learn and to grow, and that is precisely what i experienced; tremendous spiritual insight coupled with enormous personal growth from what i learnt about myself, and the universe/all that is.

You say "life and drugs should be seperate" when this is clearly not the case, drugs are an intergral part of all our lives, especially most of us posting here on bluelight. Life and drugs are intrinsically linked, and have been since the dawn of time. Now when it comes to psychedelics there is no way that you can seperate 'life' and 'drugs', life is energy, is consciousness, psychedelic drugs breathe consciousness, they expand consciousness, they ARE consciousness! You cannot seperate the Divine from that which is its creation, you can only forget that you are Divine and fall into hallucinations and illusion, hence your experiences of crazy fractal blah blah blah.

God loves you!

 

[Username_AlphaNiner]

It's a dice roll, as far as I'm concerned. Decisions made under the influence CAN benefit....but at the same time, they can really really hurt. Biggest mistake I have ever made - Falling in love while tripping. I convinced myself that a girl was the ONE girl for me. I look back and laugh at myself for having these thoughts. I had even convinced myself that I was going to move accross state for her. These decisions weren't MADE while I was tripping, but the drug definitely had a say in it. Anyone that has tripped can give you an experience where they made, or almost made, a silly decision while tripping, only to take it back at a later, sober, time.