Lost, Confused, Needs Advice...

lougirl314

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I know that most of the subscribers to this site are those who are currently experiencing something I have never experienced. Right now, I'm am madly in love with an addict. So I'm not so much seeking support with a personal drug issue, I'm seeking support as someone who lives with and loves someone who does.

I have personally never been in a situation like this before. No one in my family has done drugs, and in my lifetime the only issue one of my family members did have was alcoholism (Which was my great-grandma, who quickly fixed the issue once I was born). It was never really pushed on me in school, nor was it a big problem where I am from.

So once I started dating, and figuring out what I wanted out of a man as a potential husband candidate - I was feeding out and finding flaws that I didn't very much desire. The biggest one, I didn't want someone who did drugs. I dated a couple of stoners (not knowing until a few months into it that they were) and those who did other drugs (also not knowing until far in) and once those relationships fell apart, that it was something that I didn't want to be a part of. I'm not saying I dislike anyone who does any of these things, as I am aware many of my friends still to this day partake in these actions.

After going through a couple potential candidates, I stumbled upon the man with whom I'm so madly in love with today. He's perfect, he's my everything, the man that I hope I get to spend the rest of my life with. He's everything I truly ever asked for...there is just the one issue...he's addicted to pain killers.

I didn't find out until about a month into the relationship - when he just out and announced that he had a small problem with the pills (After I told him I did not want to date anyone who was involved with drugs of any kind). At that point, I was so smitten that I didn't mind. I saw it as a problem and was willing to help him get out of the habit, which at the time, to me, was still a small problem.

Fast forward to two and a half years later. We are still together, and I'm more in love with him now than I ever have been. However, the small problem he once had has now become a very very large problem. He's going through about $1000 in pills a month, and his life - which my life will probably soon follow, should this continue - is starting to fall apart around him. He's fallen out of contact with friends, and the friends he does have are only enablers which really I guess can't make them true friends. Financially he is suffering horribly, and since I make a lot less than he does (He has a full-time job, which he is very good at) it is starting to effect me too. He's irate, he's sick, the nights of withdrawls are almost to the point of unbareable.

According to him, when I spoke to him today, he says he's most likely hit rock bottom, if not he's very very close to. He's about to lose his car, he has no insurance, he hates his job, he never wants to go anywhere. He just sits around miserable and moody, wondering why he is the way he is and why in Gods name cant he fix it.

Which is why I am here today. After many of the conversations him and I have had about his problem, I have been labeled "not understanding". Of course I don't understand, since I have personally never been through anything like this, therefore I have no idea how to react. He has my undying support, my undying love, and anything else he should need from me. I'm full behind him on helping him being rid of this problem - yet I don't know how to react like he needs me too. I've asked questions ("What can we do that won't take you out of work for a long period of time." "What can you do and how will it effect you") that I thought were the right ones to ask. And I've thought that my words of encouragement ("You've realized you have a problem, now what are you going to do to fix it?") would get him motivated (which then I think may not be the right one, since these words worked for me, but I was just in debt) enough to maybe think of changing. I've been harsh ("I know the only reason we can't get married right now is because you spend all your money on pills and you can't afford too"), yet I've been loving and I've been there for him when he was in pain. I care for him, I help him when he needs it.

But now, I am at a total loss.

I need advice from those of you who have been addicted...to anything...in the past. If you have conquered the addiction or are still fighting the battle to do so. I want success stories, I want failing stories. I'd like ideas on how we can both get through this, and how you and maybe your loved ones got through it as well. I need suggestions as to how he can overcome this, maybe without having to quit his job, thus putting us into financial hell and even deeper into the hole. I just need advice. As a person who has never once touched a drug (those that aren't prescribed to me) in her life, I need advice of those who have, or who are close to those that have.

I love him more than words can say and I know that he can conquer this. I'm willing to take the mental abuse (never has been physical, thank goodness), and the verbal abuse for a while if it means he's getting better. I never plan on leaving him, I've told him I'm in it for the long haul. I want to spend the rest of my life with him, but right now we need to figure out how to get him clean.

Any suggestions at all would be helpful.

Thank you for reading this, I know it was long, but I have no other place to turn to or any other way to explain it.
 
I feel you, girl. I lost the love of my life to drugs, and I have dated a drug addict after him (I feel stupid for staying with him after I found out he was an addict...never again for me). Anyway, something I have learned is that drug addicts are incredibly self-centered. I'll probably get slammed for it, but after dating them (not being an addict myself), I think they will suck the life out of you if they don't A) get it under control or B) prioritize their relationships with others and drugs.

I remember full well being told that it isn't all about me when I asked for drug habits to change. I found myself defending me against a drug, and it is exhausting.

One thing you have to accept is that the drug addict is not going to change unless they want to. I know you don't want to leave him. If I were in your shoes, I'd probably do everything to help, but I just don't think you can convince an addict to change unless it's the addict who really wants change.

For you, you need to decide when it is time to start thinking about YOU. Can you be happy if he just continues his behavior? Do you think he will change? I have been to hell and back with 2 drug addicts now, and I loved them dearly, but I just can't take the mood swings and all the BS that goes with it anymore. Even though I miss my last ex dearly, sometimes I realize that our breakup was better for me in the end. The ex who died...well, in his selfish way I think he got what he wanted - he said I'd realize it's not all about me one day, and yeah he's right, he taught me a lesson.
 
yea, lougirl. that's one helluva situation you got on your hands and i'm sorry to hear it. you might want to contact "lostwife" on this board as she has been in a similar situation to you.

i really don't know what to tell you, i mean i understand having to keep a job in order to keep your head above water but there is no place for opiate withdrawal in the work place and he'd probably end up getting fired. does he have a couple of weeks of vacation saved up? he could use that time to fight the wd period but it's still going to take him months, actually years to fully recover.

at a grand a month, his addiction seems pretty severe and he may very well need to go to some sort of in patient treatment center if he can afford it. but, you mentioned he doesn't have insurace so that could be tough. now that i think about it, if he doesn't have insurance through his company, how good of a job could it be?

really, if he's not willing to get help or do anything about his addiction, you may need to just walk away until he figures it out. i know that will be hard, but it might be your only option. opiate addiction doesn't get any better and neither will your relationship unless he decides to give it his all.

the good news for you is that you will get better, even without him. it may take a few years for your heart to heal but it sounds like you're a healthy person with a good head on your shoulders. time will heal your heart.

BUT, if he does clean up for you you'll know for sure that he's a keeper.

he probably doesn't respect your opinion on his addiction because "you don't know what it's like". if that's the case and he doesn't want to listen to you, which most addicts don't, it might just be time to take a break from him and work on yourself.

good luck.
 
Lysis I tend to agree on how selfish addicts are. I should know... Its not that we don't care about other people, its that our bodies and minds are screaming at us and we are so tired of fighting those voices and feelings that we give in, sometimes at your expense.

I guess the perfect man would find a plan and grit and bare all the pain, but that is not just the perfect man, but the perfect human. He probably wouldn't have gotten into painkillers in the first place if he was one for gritting pain.

Its really a simple process to make things right, but he has to want to make things right.

Make a plan. Follow through with the plan. Put in measures to protect him from relapsing. Live happily ever after.
 
Your love for him scares me just as much as his own addiction does.

The same way his emotional dependency for drugs causes him harm is the same way your emotional dependency for his love is causing you harm.

You may think that the answer to this entire problem starts with him getting clean.
I think the answer to this problem regards YOU BECOMING as selfish as he is.

You are NOT alone, a woman named "Lostwife" when through a whole bunch of shit trying to get her husband clean. You know what wound up working?
Her ability to restrain her own love for him.

THATS what wound up breaking him.

If you are vowing to be there till his grave, I assure you he will be there with you right untill that day happens.
If you are not willing to stop validating his every behavoir with your love, than you'll just have to wait till he reaches that spot on his own... if he ever dose.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to bullshit you, your love alone is going to cause you more pain than you can imagine.
Leaving him would NOT be consider jaded or flighty, I would call it "smart". We ALL KNOW he can "conquer" addiction. It only matters what he believes inside, and you believing for him will NOT make it an easier.

People need to be held responsible for their actions. And if you plan on being there right by his side, you ARE rewarding his negative behavoir. I hate to put it that way, but this is recovery 101 type stuff.
You NEVER reward negative behavoir.
 
Your love for him scares me just as much as his own addiction does.

The same way his emotional dependency for drugs causes him harm is the same way your emotional dependency for his love is causing you harm.

You may think that the answer to this entire problem starts with him getting clean.
I think the answer to this problem regards YOU BECOMING as selfish as he is.

You are NOT alone, a woman named "Lostwife" when through a whole bunch of shit trying to get her husband clean. You know what wound up working?
Her ability to restrain her own love for him.

THATS what wound up breaking him.

If you are vowing to be there till his grave, I assure you he will be there with you right untill that day happens.
If you are not willing to stop validating his every behavoir with your love, than you'll just have to wait till he reaches that spot on his own... if he ever dose.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to bullshit you, your love alone is going to cause you more pain than you can imagine.
Leaving him would NOT be consider jaded or flighty, I would call it "smart". We ALL KNOW he can "conquer" addiction. It only matters what he believes inside, and you believing for him will NOT make it an easier.

People need to be held responsible for their actions. And if you plan on being there right by his side, you ARE rewarding his negative behavoir. I hate to put it that way, but this is recovery 101 type stuff.
You NEVER reward negative behavoir.

^qft
couldn't agree more. right on, bojangles.
-izzy
 
Where these aren't the words I was hoping to hear, I'd still like to thank you all for this.

I probably should have gone into more detail, I guess I thought I had written so much that people would stop reading after a sentence or too...

When I meant insurance, I meant car insurance. So he has health insurance.

The reason for the addiction is that he has a health issue with his back, which according to his doctor, whom I've read the papers for, he actually does need, just not in the doses he is currently self-prescribing himself.

I was thrilled yesterday when I recieved a call from my man, that he had finally talked to someone at work about fixing it. I know his coworkers and was quite pleased to find out that they took it well and are in full support of him coming clean. He spent two hours or so on the phone with the Employee Support Program and also with his health insurance provider. They talked about how it all came to be, what is happening now, and what can be done. He is very excited to get the detoxing underway, and I'm proud as punch that he did this all on his own. He seems fully committed because once things started to crumble around him, I think it woke him up.

As for the selfish part, yes, that is entirely true. I will not deny that. That, I hope and pray, will go with the detoxing, though not all of it, as it is who he is and I would kind of miss a little selfishness from him...as I can at times be a bit selfish as well. Then again, aren't we all really?

I am in full support of his recovery against this monster, and hope that we can quit the addiction, or get it to a point (like I said, he does need it for his back - and I really do know that is a fact, as I have been driving him to the doctor the last few weeks) where it is controlled and not taking over his life. I will continue to stay with him and help him through this. We have been through so much (We were actually apart for 6 months, I had to move back home for financial reasons - even though we "called it quits" it didn't take long before we were talking every day and webcamming it at night, leaving the webcams on while we were both sleeping) together, that I know that our love will last, and I know he will come out of this. However, I have told him if it gets worse or it comes to the point of physical abuse, then I will pack my bags. I also told him that I will not bare him children until he fixes it, something I also think sank in for him, as he is 7 years older than me (I'm 22, do the math! LOL) and he wants to settle down and have kids.

So thank you for the advice, I did read them all and appreciate it. I take everything into consideration. Please know that I do not obsess over our love, but I do believe that he and I are meant to be together. And know that I know it needs to be about my well-being as well. He's never forced me to stay and has said I can get out while I still can. But what kind of girlfriend would I be if I up and left him during a time like this? I just can't bare it. After two and a half years of being with him, I'm going to be here, for support, for encouragement, and for hope.

I'll keep updates - as I stated the detoxing should begin here soon. I'm anxious to see what the outcome will be.

Thank you guys so much!
 
i'm going to be honest, because things in the real world can't be sugar coated. maybe he'll come through and end up off pain pills, people do it all the time. maybe he's playing everybody and has no intent of cleaning up. maybe he clean up at first, and relapse. then he'll promise to go through "for real this time", and relapse. then his doc will find out, cut him off, and start getting them of the street(or turn to smack because it does the same thing and is cheaper). it happens everyday.

how do i know, i've been that guy, i still am that guy, and i doubt it's gonna change soon. it varys from person to person and their own will power, but painkiller addiction(or any other addictive drug) turns into a forth drive. if he's seriously hooked, asking him to get clean is like telling him to stop eating.

i hope he cleans up and you live happily ever after, but addiction is a life long disease. trust me. you don't know how many times i've said "i'm clean now for real"...
 
I don't mean this in an offensive way at all but from your last post, you seem really naive...

you say you will do these things and you will leave him and giving him these ultimatums like they are real but the truth is as long as he is suffering so will you. and like the above poster said, addiction is a life long thing...

the first poster that replied said she had to defend herself against a drug. i'm sure she thought she was enough as well. unless you heard these phone calls and are holding his hand each step of the way, do not be so quick to think everything will turn around. opiate addiction is up there as one of the worst. i'm not saying you should leave now at all just expect it to get bad so you aren't hurting more later
 
I'd recommend a book: Codependent No More by Melody Beatty. It is probably out of print but every decent used bookstore will have a dozen copies or more. It explains about those who create chaos through their use and those who are needed to manage the chaos caused by the addiction. Codependency isn't a bad thing, its just a way people communicate and interact, but it can be hell on those elected to be the "manager." Best of luck, Armand
 
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