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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

List of life span increasing drugs

Could it at all be possible that death has something to do with the psych of a human, could it be mentally controlled perhaps? How much control does the human brain actually have on the body, if it has all control doesn`t that mean I can take control of my entire body, every aspect of it? Please come with comments on this.
 
Every time your cells copy themselves the DNA in them get shorter, and sometimes damaged in other areas.. until they just stop replicating.

Best thing you can do is live healthily, regular exercise, sleep, and eat a healthy balanced meal.
 
Excellent link!! Thanks for that. The suggestion was somewhat meant in jest, but thank you. Wonder why no real human trials have been conducted..
 
A nootropic drug called selegeline is known to extend life expectancy. It was developed as a treatment for parkinsons disease, and the doctor who was conducting the studies on mice noticed that every single mouse in the group of mice that did not receive selegeline lived its life span and died, and not one of the mice in the group that received selegeline died.
 
Take a look at white powder gold (the real stuff not the fake commercial shit) or ORMUS alchemy products.
 
Does anybody know if PQQ is naturally occurring somewhere in some plants?

Yes, see here. Many vegetables have it. Soy's the most concentrated source if fermented (see: soy sauce, tempeh, miso) but you can get it with a veggie-rich diet as well. Green tea also has it. Some other fermented products (eg wine) have it too.

It's better to get from food then supplement. Many fermented foods are quite good for you, fruits and vegetables are good for you, green tea is good for you, etc. PQQ is a nice bonus.

The studies are maybe stronger for other chemicals, eg CoQ10, but I'm not sure what supplementation will do. CoQ10 is synthesized in your body through the normal digestive process, a small amount is consumed in meat. There are some reports in fact that excessive CoQ10 in the body will *cause* oxidative stress instead of reducing it!

So I'm not sure that the studies are clear enough for *anything* to say "oh, take this, it will extend your life". Well, aside from a well rounded food diet and exercise, that is.
 
I want to say a bit on the phenomenology of antioxidants. Phenomenology here means "what we think we know", a phenomenological theory is usually the first thing scientists construct before they get a really good grip on things, and that's sort of where we're at. Anti-oxidant means it's stopping an oxidant, which should be a clue here that the focus is on the oxidant, not the antioxidants, those just block it.

The oxidant, the enemy, is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical#Biological_significance

Unlike superoxide, which can be detoxified by superoxide dismutase, the hydroxyl radical cannot be eliminated by an enzymatic reaction. Mechanisms for scavenging peroxyl radicals for the protection of cellular structures includes endogenous antioxidants such as melatonin and glutathione, and dietary antioxidants such as mannitol and vitamin E

Hydroxyl reacts with anything, so pretty much any one antioxidant is as good as another -- except thiols a la NAC, which serve a totally different purpose. This means that there is no one "super" antioxidant that will save you. Antioxidant activity is measured by exposing a substance or a group of substances to an oxidizer, and seeing how well they neutralize it.

The thing is, any compound, literally any compound, is toxic at some point, so you can't just pick one antioxidant, be it resveratrol, vitamin E, quercetin or whatever, and take lots of it. You'll hit the toxic level long before you reach enough antioxidant activity to do yourself any good.

It is better to have a lot of different antioxidants than any one compound. This way, the antioxidant activity is increased without bringing on the potentially toxic effects caused by overdoing it with this, that, or the other. This is why you will never hear a nutritionist who is not trying to sell you something say you need a particular antioxidant, they always say antioxidants in the plural. You get plural antioxidants by eating a varied diet with lots of vegetables, consuming varied and different things, tea, coffee, honey, rooibos, wine, beer, cannabis*, et cetera.

Studies that try to measure the effects of this-or-that antioxidant are, in my totally unqualified opinion, playing whack-a-mole when the right option is simply to hit all the holes at once, see if it gets away from us then.

Of course, this leaves one gaping hole that is oh-so-relevant: mitochondrial hormesis, the theory that oxidative stress induces the body's natural healing mechanism:

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/retrieve/pii/S1550413107002562

There is also a proposed role of reactive oxygen species in regulation of normal bodily functions:

http://jcb.rupress.org/content/194/1/7.short

I am afraid these theories do not quite satisfy me because they fail to explain why we do indeed see increased lifespan in people who consume antioxidant-rich diets, tea etc, generally referred to as "plant-based diet" because animal tissues are poor sources of antioxidants (except GSH):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity#Longevity_and_lifestyle

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A bit on the history of pyrroloquinoline quinone, aka PQQ, aka the novel putative vitamin. Historically, many, many compounds have been proposed as vitamins and then withdrawn. This is why the sequence of B vitamins includes B1 thiamin, B2 riboflavin, B3 niacin, B5 pantothenate, B6 pyridoxal, B7 biotin, B9 folate, B12 cobalamin -- B4, B8, B10, and B11 were later withdrawn as were B13, B14, B15, B16 and B17. The jury remains out on PQQ (jury also still out on choline), but let's go to the record.

In 2003, the famous Kasahara and Kato publish a report in Nature detailing the role of PQQ in lysine metabolism, suggesting it may be a novel vitamin in mammals.

http://www.shanghaimed.cn/bookpic/upFileDown/201051818383010617.pdf (Kasahara and Kato, 2003)

Two years later, two papers in Nature, one by Rucker et al, one by Felton and Anthony, attack this hypothesis. Rucker states that PQQ status does not affect the presence or absence of lysine-metabolizing enzymes, a biomarker for lysine metabolism. Fenton and Anthony state that the proposed PQQ-dependent enzyme was misidentified, and has a novel structure but does not use PQQ. Nature was furious, and published both.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v433/n7025/abs/nature03323.html (Rucker et al 2005)
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v433/n7025/abs/nature03322.html (Fenton and Anthony 2005)

The next year, Bauerly et al publish a report in Biophysica Acta confirming K&K and stating that PQQ status does indeed affect lysine metabolism, regardless of alpha-aminoadipate semialdehyde dehydrogenase! The authors go on to state that PQQ's known, novel and poorly understood role in mitochondriogenesis -- the generation of new mitochondria -- may explain its role in lysine metabolism. Nature has had more than enough of this bullshit.

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18265312 (Bauerly et al 2006)

In 2009, Rucker, Chowanadisai and Nakano -- the same Rucker as before -- publish an article in Alternative Medicine stating "PQQ is a novel biofactor for which a proposition can be made for physiological importance." Again he cites the role of PQQ in mitochondriogenesis. This represents a partial -- mind you I said partial -- reversal of Rucker's initial position, but not a suggestion that PQQ is a mammalian enzyme cofactor:

http://www.researchgate.net/publica...quinoline_quinone/file/d912f50609e366fa89.pdf (Rucker et al 2009)

Anthony, by contrast, remains firmly in the "not a cofactor, not a vitamin" camp, with a well-cited presentation on his website of why he thinks so.

http://www.chris-anthony.co.uk/myresearch.html#pqqvit

So, is PQQ vital to life?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpaQpyU_QiM

*smoking is bad
 
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If you believe in god (its cool if you don't, i don't judge) your death and everything that will happen in your life is already set and stone. Likewise even if someone doesn't believe in god, one thing that is true regardless of your beliefs is that death isn't ALWAYS something we control. Death can be unpredictable, you can randomly have a stroke, get hit by another car, etc etc the list goes on.

However assuming the unpredictable things don't happen, eating healthy and PHYSICAL exercise are two key factors that can usually help someone live longer if their destined too. Also a study reports that many people in Italy live till their 90's without many health issues, from drinking RED wine like a glass or two a day. Moderate consumption of alcohol (not to the point where your hungover or are drinking a lot daily) can help you live longer usually through red wine though because of it's effects on keeping the heart healthy and circulation.

A lot of yoga of various parts of the body (stretching) and massages can also help you live longer or less prone to as much health problems. Not often but i do occassionally see the rare people in their 80's that are actually walking (not all slow) and have a decent memory and minimal health issues. But if your time on earth has expired you will die regardless, could be 30 could be 100. Eating healthy, exercising, yoga, massages (yoga and massages for bone and pain issues) and a glass of two of red wine a day are the only things i know have been proven to help you live longer and healthier.
 
There's those things in palmagranite and berries I think it's called antioxidants that are said to help you live longer although studies are saying otherwise
 
It's my understanding that aging results from genetic fading (continually making a copy of a copy), and how short the telomeres are on your chromosomes.

In order to prevent damage to the telomeres you need to avoid stress first and foremost, as well as avoid oxidative damage.

IMO you can spend all your life trying to live longer or just live life. Obsessing over it isn't going to change anything. We are never going to be able to live forever in these organic bodies. Even if they can eventually replace every organ, they can't replace the brain and its unique neural connections.

Quality over quantity.
 
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