Levorphanol?

[morphonorconic]

Yeah, hey sorry OP, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but it has spawned an interesting conversation nevertheless.

Cane-No problem, anytime. Glad I could help.

Alright, as far as the use of Mixed Agonist Antagonist Opioids for long term maintenence, I still feel that there could be an advantage to their use as opposed to full agonists. The key lies in selectivity, and favorable mu:kappa/sigma ratios. With what I know of Pentazocine and Cyclazocine, they certainly would not be good options, and neither would anything else that produces undesirable side effects due to their unique pharmacology. If the current options are not cutting it(with the exception of Buprenorphine), we must work to create new, better Opioids. I don't believe Antagonists are a good option either, but this is America, and Uncle Sam is not going to hand out Pharmaceutical Diamorphine to whomever wants it without some kind of insurance plan, unfortunately.

 

[oxycontented]

I love levorphanol

I take it every day - I have it compounded for me at 3 mg., three times the regular, commercial strength and take two to five of them orally. It lights up the virgin receptors untouched by any other opiate because it is the only morphinan opiate synthesized at the present time. Qualitatively it has euphoria equal to oxy but stronger cleaner and with less sleepiness. Though stronger and better than oxy, it does work synergistically with it to create a potentiated high four times that of either by itself. The reason I believe it is not used more is that it is too strong for acute panand therefore only useful for chronic pain patients. It does not block opiate receptors as does methadone and is a much cleaner, faster, better high.

 

[BlueberryfishY]

I take it every day - I have it compounded for me at 3 mg., three times the regular, commercial strength and take two to five of them orally. It lights up the virgin receptors untouched by any other opiate because it is the only morphinan opiate synthesized at the present time. Qualitatively it has euphoria equal to oxy but stronger cleaner and with less sleepiness. Though stronger and better than oxy, it does work synergistically with it to create a potentiated high four times that of either by itself. The reason I believe it is not used more is that it is too strong for acute panand therefore only useful for chronic pain patients. It does not block opiate receptors as does methadone and is a much cleaner, faster, better high.

Pic's or it didn't happen.

 

[TheLostBoys]

I take it every day - I have it compounded for me at 3 mg., three times the regular, commercial strength and take two to five of them orally. It lights up the virgin receptors untouched by any other opiate because it is the only morphinan opiate synthesized at the present time. Qualitatively it has euphoria equal to oxy but stronger cleaner and with less sleepiness. Though stronger and better than oxy, it does work synergistically with it to create a potentiated high four times that of either by itself. The reason I believe it is not used more is that it is too strong for acute panand therefore only useful for chronic pain patients. It does not block opiate receptors as does methadone and is a much cleaner, faster, better high.

Are these prescribed to you or do you get them on the street?

 

[NoArms]

I just registered to these forums just bc of this discussion.
I have been in pain management for over a decade, and I have been on every pain killer known, so I thought. I was just put on levorphanol 2mg 3x a day, after being on methadone for years. It's difficult to find good medication for me, due to the fact that I cannot take any kind of nsaids due to stomach surgery, and a cardiovascular reactions, and I also have a seizure disorder, as well as a serious anxiety disorder for which I take 5mg of Valium 3x a day. My opioid tolerance is very high after being in pain management for so long.
I discovered after taking my first few doses of levorphanol, with my normal doses of valium, this is a combo that puts you to sleep very fast. I am a chronic insomniac, and fell asleep last night around 11pm, and woke up today at 2:30pm, this is something I DO NOT DO. I usually fall asleep at around 1am, and wake up by 8-9 am, on a good nights sleep. I'm not sure quite what to do at this point, I'm hoping my body will adapt to the levorphanol, and things will go back to normal, but I do have to say, this is one of the strongest opioid/opioid synth's I have ever been on.

 

[ovo1024]

I just registered to these forums just bc of this discussion.
I have been in pain management for over a decade, and I have been on every pain killer known, so I thought. I was just put on levorphanol 2mg 3x a day, after being on methadone for years. It's difficult to find good medication for me, due to the fact that I cannot take any kind of nsaids due to stomach surgery, and a cardiovascular reactions, and I also have a seizure disorder, as well as a serious anxiety disorder for which I take 5mg of Valium 3x a day. My opioid tolerance is very high after being in pain management for so long.
I discovered after taking my first few doses of levorphanol, with my normal doses of valium, this is a combo that puts you to sleep very fast. I am a chronic insomniac, and fell asleep last night around 11pm, and woke up today at 2:30pm, this is something I DO NOT DO. I usually fall asleep at around 1am, and wake up by 8-9 am, on a good nights sleep. I'm not sure quite what to do at this point, I'm hoping my body will adapt to the levorphanol, and things will go back to normal, but I do have to say, this is one of the strongest opioid/opioid synth's I have ever been on.

You have a serious anxiety disorder and 15mg of Vallium actually works for you? That's strange since that is a low dose. I have bad anxiety to everyday and need 3mg of klonopin to get relief and feel comfortable to do every day activities and usually take another mg later in the day. 4mg of klonopin is roughly equal to 60mg of Vallium and this isn't the result of tolerance either at least not entirely

 

[Hammilton]

A chronic insomniac who gets 7-8 hours of sleep each night? (1 to 8-9am) you don't know what insomnia is.

 

[jcauf]

Opiate treatments and recovery from its affects

I agree completley with you on how our medical community's approaches treatmeant and how the addiction specialists deals with us that suffer from addiction, I think the misconception is that they(pharmacutical companies, medical professionals, insurance companies, privatized prison systems, rehabiliatation centers, hospitals and the political machine that is funded by these corprorations. I was sober from all mood altering and mind altering substaces for over half a decade and dedicated my new life to finding a better alterneative to what is the availble option we have today. Unfourtunatle I am writing this response from ICU(burn center in nyc) where I am now on a mass of narcotic medication. This was the year in my undergrad where I started applying for medical schools. Not being happy with the news that my rehabiliatation will be long and arguious along with a protocol of pain medications just to be able to do the basic functions in life such as walking and going to the bathroom. Excuse my mispellings and incorrect grahmmer. I will not let this bump in the road of my life deter me from continuing my life goals I just hope I dont end up back where I was years ago. The information that I receive from everyone involved here at blue light is extremly helpful. This is my first week signing up to being a participaint and also this is my first post. So I will continue to provide information on my experience and progress or regress.

 

[Blaze3620]

You have a serious anxiety disorder and 15mg of Vallium actually works for you? That's strange since that is a low dose. I have bad anxiety to everyday and need 3mg of klonopin to get relief and feel comfortable to do every day activities and usually take another mg later in the day. 4mg of klonopin is roughly equal to 60mg of Vallium and this isn't the result of tolerance either at least not entirely

Benzos can work differently for each person, depending on how long you've been taking them, depending on your weight and depending on if your male or female along with a host of other reasons. Years ago when I was in high school and took my first one milligram Xanax that shit had me in stitches for almost 2 days. Then later on after I graduated and started abusing them I was taking 2 milligram bars every day then it was like three or four two milligram bars just to feel the same effect that I felt off of 1 mg years prior. So it also depends on tolerance to the medication. You can develop a tolerance to benzos as well not just opiates. Your body can pretty much develop a tolerance to any Pharmaceutical.

 

[clubcard]

Levorphanol takes 6-7 days to reach a steady state in plasma. When given repeatedly, nor-levorphanol becomes important in it's analgesic action. It's going to work out the same as methadone in practice. Why it is chosen I don't know. Methadone can cause long-QT so maybe it has a better safety profile? I've only tried it once and I liked it. Interesting to know if it works better.