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Speaking directly to the people that feel superior in their race, not specifically the white ones either, your problem that you are unable to see is apparent to the rest of us. It's a lot like trying to tell someone they have anger issues. Speaking with you and re-explaining racism is fear that you need to overcome becomes old and tiresome. You almost begin to understand but then you go back to your closed group and get reprogrammed. It is very much like you live in a cult somewhere hiding from reality.

Just for myself I don't want my skin colour to somehow associate me with your fear. Please understand I don't have your mental disorder simply because I'm your skin colour. Grow a pair and get over your fear of others.
 
If you don't care, why do you clog up our political discussions with your vacuous, hateful one liners every day?
 
Sorry to barge in but Im high.


What has race got to do with being leftist?

Its not unusual to feel more comfortable around people from similar backgrounds. But how the world works these days is people move fairly freely and easily around the globe so having people live in a once mostly white neighbourhood that are not white is inevitable and youre just going to have to accept that .
 
Because I can. I'm one of the only right leaning posters here who has never gotten an infraction for anything I've said. So clearly it isn't that hateful.

You make a good point.
We definitely need to crack down on racism on the forum.

Also, i believe i've infracted you for using racist alt accounts.

There is one thing racists will never have, and that is dignity.

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What has race got to do with being leftist?
Absolutely fuck all.
Racist trolls aren't generally blessed with social skills, so they seem to need to behave like the loud awkward drunk at a party to feel like someone is listening to them.

it's endemic among the charismatically deficient (how's my PC? ;))
 
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What has race got to do with being leftist?

Absolutely nothing, but wilfully ignorant, delusional, anti-intellectual whackadoodle snowflakes are offended by the very idea of intelligent discussion and anything that goes against their delusional echo chambers, so they go out of their way to shut it down. Education, knowledge, and different opinions are offensive to them, so they have to make sure such enlightening discussions can't take place.
 
Uninhabited? No, it was sustainably populated by humans.

I'd argue rough equilibriumish, myself. It wasn't like the natives were twiddling their thumbs waiting for mighty whitey to show up.

But it's hard to know a lot about what the preColumbian civilizations were doing because they really got the short end of the stick in the Columbian exchange.

What we do know indicates populous agrian civilizations that seemed to be able to "throw their weight around" on a regional level and sustain large trade routes.

In short, shit was happening.
 
^ so your guy wins the presidential election, and 5 weeks after his inaugeration, you're talking about civil war?

Talk about pathological.
 
But from your posts it seems pretty clear you don't want unity.
I don't think you have any idea what you want, but you like to complain.
 
Just for myself I don't want my skin colour to somehow associate me with your fear. Please understand I don't have your mental disorder simply because I'm your skin colour. Grow a pair and get over your fear of others.

Well said.

Says the delusional socialist who thinks everyone can get along in some fantasy utopia

Exactly what you white supremacists think. You think an unnatural mono-racial society is somehow the solution to all problems.

Its not gonna happen.

We don't really care if you think we're racist or not. We believe white homogeneous societies are simply better, safer, and less poverty.

Utopian? :\

Race and genetics DO play a role in intelligence and behavior, irregardless of socioeconomic factors, you should just accept that.

Prove it.
 
I'd say what race has to do with it in the west, is that western civilization is pretty much "white", and often the leftists/liberals are the ones who feel the need to secure entry into their country by foreign people, and redistribute wealth to them/subsidize them, even if they may present a danger to society, or bring about unstable elements. And you do it simply based on a belief- that you think is infallible, and proven, and yet, you will never really lay it all out how it is good in the end, other than it obviously makes you feel good. I have much less problem with "left" policies as long as they stay more in-house, closer knit (more in common, speaking the "same language"), or perhaps like Sweden before the migration from the Middle East and Africa, where now their population will be replaced as the trend goes. That's what race has to do with it.
 
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^Nothing to do with what I was asking of Ryan but thanks for sharing your views again. :|

It wasn't intended that way. Zephyr asked what race has to do with the left, or the left with race. Everyone got all consensus-like and was like "yea wtf ever is that?!", case closed. No.

You think what I say is just a view and you disrespect because you can't do anything else (or, you're tirrrrred... you're borrrred... and that is the barometer of truth for you?). It won't make it go away (in the world), and it won't suddenly make the entire world identify as one.


I understand you just made a mistake. I could have quoted what exactly I was referencing, but it was recent enough, and referenced at the top of the page, so I didn't think I had to (I'll try to do better, and understand how you made the mistake of thinking I was responding to you-- then again, you could have made an effort to ask what I meant, even to yourself).
 
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I'd say what race has to do with it in the west, is that western civilization is pretty much "white", and often the leftists/liberals are the ones who feel the need to secure entry into their country by foreign people, and redistribute wealth to them/subsidize them, even if they may present a danger to society, or bring about unstable elements. And you do it simply based on a belief- that you think is infallible, and proven, and yet, you will never really lay it all out how it is good in the end, other than it obviously makes you feel good. I have much less problem with "left" policies as long as they stay more in-house, closer knit (more in common, speaking the "same language"), or perhaps like Sweden before the migration from the Middle East and Africa, where now their population will be replaced as the trend goes. That's what race has to do with it.

Here's the reason why that's bunk.

Take America. America is a nation where we keep letting people in.

First it was founded by mostly white anglo-saxon protestants - the English. Others from the British isles trickled in as well.

Then as America grew, we saw more people from western and northern Europe come. Those were followed by the central, southern, and eastern Europeans, as well as east Asians and other groups.

With all these different groups, with different languages, religious beliefs, and cultures, America did not fall apart. Instead, we grew rich.

And now you are telling me that the solution is to stop immigration because it harms us?

Look at what's out there - the businesses being run, the scientific research being done, the people who are contributing to our society. We're benefiting greatly from immigration.
 
I get a little confused at times when I wobbily wander into a rhread expecting to see some explanation or discussion about leftist stuff and Ill confess I looked mainly to see what the hell a leftist is anyway and what kinda things they generally believe should be done to live a decent life.

Personally I couldnt give a shit about race. Birds of a feather flock together. Its pretty normal to want to be surrounded by people similar to yourself. But there will always be communities that are originally from elsewhere who live near you and probably dont want to spend the majority of their lives with you either but like to live in a more prosperous country. So if they are allowed to do so them so be it.

Some countries like Australia opened their doors to workers from all over the world as they needed the numbers so we have heaps of different cultures. Its all good.


I apparently according to the test thing came in almost smack bang in the middle of the spectrum. Not right or left just bleh?

I just reckon most political parties are full of shit, lie, are in it for themselves and dont even provide basic infrastructure for your tax dollar.

If taxes went on infrastructure like proper roads, public transport, energy, hospitals and education then alls good and well. But everything is getting privatised now so why are we paying so much tax to govts who dont run anything?
 
Here's the reason why that's bunk.

Take America. America is a nation where we keep letting people in.

First it was founded by mostly white anglo-saxon protestants - the English. Others from the British isles trickled in as well.

Then as America grew, we saw more people from western and northern Europe come. Those were followed by the central, southern, and eastern Europeans, as well as east Asians and other groups.

With all these different groups, with different languages, religious beliefs, and cultures, America did not fall apart. Instead, we grew rich.

And now you are telling me that the solution is to stop immigration because it harms us?

Look at what's out there - the businesses being run, the scientific research being done, the people who are contributing to our society. We're benefiting greatly from immigration.

I never said stop immigration. And you can't compare pan-European culture (and people who when they fuck their children don't look so out of place for generations-- identity does have effects, and who we identify with) with those from the Middle East and Africa, and the rates of immigration are vastly different as well. Many differences.

Alone, when I argue with myself, alone, I think attitude is a big thing. I think if we just remained positive, and if the hateful element wasn't there, and we were all just perfect, then we could bear this, but that's not what is happening right now; People are feeling more and more divided, and lacking national identity and unity. The way America happened before was somewhat gradually, and it took quite a bit of time. Now America (U.S.- not trying to be a hick), has gone from 90% White Majority to under 60% in less than a century. Human behavior- facts about it, are neglected, in favor of big bucks. They are not- the immigrants are not necessarily the problem- it's the slave drivers that just have different names (and human nature). And even they- themselves, are competing, and probably not completely responsible. Not saying stop immigration, I'm saying do it intelligently.

We should also be able to see that birds of a feather want to flock more together, and not be offended. I'm not offended if a Japanese girl tells me she wants to marry a Japanese man, if I have been pursuing her. I'm not offended that Jews want to marry Jews, or would like to keep their influence and social-climate intact, where they might be. I respect it. Granted, if they had something I needed, in another time, if we needed it, and had no other way, we'd go and take it, and perhaps that's a reason to side with the globalist agenda. But really all that is doing is handing over control, trusting that people really have our best interests at heart, and will not stop before honoring them (they will, they'll cut corners, and when it's time for someone to starve, didn't that happen in Communist Russia?).

I'm a minimalist. I like minimalism. I like plain shirts, with no big logos saying I can afford cool stuff. I also like the modesty of Islamic wear. I would rather something have as little 'moving parts' as possible, and this thing requires a 'contraption'.. of modifiers, regulation, and often subsidizing other groups- that will never be fully blended with/one with the rest. It's often artificial, and I don't care for make-up (at least, it shouldn't be the "bottom" layer).

Alas'- it may all work out just fine. But certainly, not many of us would choose this. I doubt the African Slaves would have wanted to come just so their descendants could live with more access and potential than they may have in Africa. And still, we still don't choose this. Most white people marry white people. Most black people marry black people. Most Mexicans marry Mexicans. Most Muslims marry Muslims. White people marry the least out-side their group of all, and they have also produced the most successful civilizations/societies (they were produced within, and are part of an ecosystem)-Coincidence? I also doubt that people are filled with pride, esteem and joy to have to abandon their cultures/homes. A lot of damage control is needed. Do I blame them? No, I blame men, and human nature. I just want to work with it, not deny it exists (or give to ideology that "works" in denial of it).
 
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What23, your posts have taken on such a repetitive and lengthy nature that I have given up trying to read them all and come up with responses.

Once upon a time this was a place to discuss the differences between us left leaning folks in CE&P, and now it has become a battleground between those who feel they're defending traditional American Exceptionalism and those who really want to see a future for our diverse nation. I for one am tired of the bickering and I'm sure we've all spent far too much of our time arguing here with each other when we all know in our hearts that none of our views will change because we're all grumps who see things how we see em' and our blinders can't be removed.

I implore everyone to try and see the reason behind the others' arguments and to think them over in rational manners. I know I try to understand why any of you feel the way you do about issues, and I'd even say that if I see reason behind it, I change my opinions; I want that for everyone though. I'm no paragon of virtue in these matters but I want to strive to be so and I think we all should. Stop calling each other fascists/snowflakes (what is that, a gay jibe?), commies/pussies/antifas (which is some real bullshit that just sprung up within the last two months) and start treating each other like human beings who have fears and worries and needs and hopes and dreams.

We're all people here, and we all want a brighter future. It doesn't have to be this way.
 
I kinda wandered in here to figure out what exactly a leftist was and what ita all about but have come away filled with walls of text about God and race/racism and some stuff about migration and a civil war.


More confused than ever. Interesting read though

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