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"I don't want to be unfair about Obama. He did face the most obstructionist congress in history, especially in the last 6 years. I'm not sure why they were so against him. Did he miss opportunities to negotiate? Or was it all their fault?
 
socko said:
Then there is Trump. He talked a lot, but a lot of the time he seemed merely to want to sabotage himself. When he was serious, his promises came across more as a brain storming session where somebody says anything, no matter how crazy. It was like he was saying "wouldn't it be great if we brought back some jobs or brought immigration under control." So he said "build a wall" and "lock her up." Did you take him literally? I saw it as hyperbole. I don't think he truly wanted to win, and his heart was never in it.
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You may well have seen it as that however I don't think it's a stretch to say MANY people did not. He and his speech-writers would have to know that kind of inflammatory rhetoric is going get taken at face value by a not-insignificant number of people, and I don't buy for a second that they wouldn't have adjusted their output if that was something they didn't want people drawing from it. Plus, you only have to look at the rise of the alt-nazi. They've always been there of course, but they feel emboldened to announce themselves to the public consciousness now in ways that haven't been seen for a very long time. I doubt they took it as hyperbole or just a figure of speech, and I find it hard to believe that his camp wasn't aware of this and wouldn't have altered their course if it was something they didn't want.

Dropper, as you must know, the DNC is now further to the right than Richard Nixon, and Hilary, in her youth was a Goldwater Republican. Despite how much they fight agaist each other, I see the GOP and DNC as two faces of the same party. The only difference is that the DNC is the hip, urban face while the GOP is the rural face.
Trump's nomination shook up the GOP, and I hope his victory will shake up the DNC. Both parties are out of touch with the challenges the US faces.
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I can't say I disagree with this though. We have similar problems over here (Aus) and our current PM is very much controlled by the shittier factions/members of his own party (which are all pretty shitty), but the only difference I'd expect should we switch parties to the slightly-less-right-wing one is that they'd try to hate the poor a little less obviously.
 
socko said:
"I don't want to be unfair about Obama. He did face the most obstructionist congress in history, especially in the last 6 years. I'm not sure why they were so against him. Did he miss opportunities to negotiate? Or was it all their fault?
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I wonder what it could be that made him so different from every president before him...
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I just can't put my finger on it.
 
Droppersneck said:
There was merit to the fact that he wasn't a good president. I will say he is a grande orator.
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IMO this is all a president should ever be.

The people make a decision, they tell their representative what to do, the representatives go do it and the president tells the nation what they have decided and how it will be carried out.

They also are the world spokes person for your group of people.

It is just my opinion but we should elect a separate set of people to do all cross border trade negotiations and deals. These should be ratified by the people, not elected officials.

If we just had them smile and look nice as leadership while we made the decisions it would be so much better.
 
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Humanity is way too wedded to the whole idea of one ultimate authority, and we've seen the disastrous ways that can go wrong again and again ad infinitum. It's like the entire species has some crazy daddy issues. Is it nature or nurture though?
 
hotgirls.jpg.exe said:
Humanity is way too wedded to the whole idea of one ultimate authority, and we've seen the disastrous ways that can go wrong again and again ad infinitum. It's like the entire species has some crazy daddy issues. Is it nature or nurture though?
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This is so true. Painfully true.
 
hotgirls.jpg.exe said:
Humanity is way too wedded to the whole idea of one ultimate authority
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not all of us are authoritarians, its mostly just the religious folk since they've been brainwashed since childhood to worship an ultimate authority; then there's plenty of other sociopaths and sadists who get off on causing harm to others, but they're a minority, albeit a very vocal one, especially in a society built to promote and reward sociopathy and dragging others down.
 
spacejunk, I wish you were right, but a lot of the alt-right is young and will continue to be a strong movement as long as they are alive . we have politics that are heavily influenced by 4chan now
 
Yeah that's not what they do lol
They're known for attacking from behind or in groups and scattering when met with resistance. Richard spencer recently got sucker punched by a literal shit eating cuckhold antifa member lmao
 
consumer said:
Yeah. Right wingers have never attacked anyone have they?
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With this election cycle all the violence came from the tolerant left. There is a huge double standard. I heard the antifa member got shot by a milo protestor. But I'm doubting snowflakes carry guns now.

All the inaugural protesters many antifa members were rounded up and are faces 10 years and felonies! All the posts in /pol of them whining simply warms my heart!
 
elstongunn39 said:
personally I see absolutely nothing wrong with punching nazis...
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Ditto. Kicking nazi and fascist ass is an American tradition dating back to the 1940s. Its as American as apple pie. Being a veteran and all, i feel a lot of pride when i see people honor my brothers and sisters in arms like that, by working hard to emulate them.
 
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