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It's not exactly accurate to call certain groups' fear of the Trump administration (and what it represents and stands for) irrational.
It's extremely rational. The guy's a total loose cannon.
 
spacejunk said:
This doesn't make any sense at all.
"The thing behind multiculturalism is the idea that generally people of other ethnic groups aren't already accepted"
What do you mean by "the thing behind multiculturalism"?

" So, naturally, our anxiety of being labeled a biggot or alt-right facist condemns us to never truly look in the mirror"

Naturally? Who is anxious about labels? I'm certainly not afraid to "truly look in the mirror", so please don't include me in your comments about "us" and "we". I can't relate to - or understand - what you're saying at all.
I honestly can't make any sense of your posts.
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Us is a kind of a universal persona.

I'll rephrase it, the thing behind "identity politics," "the politics of difference," and "the politics of recognition."* (is as stated)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism


And the alt-right thought Obama was a loose cannon whose background was 'unknown' and was a "secret muslim" who will institute sharia law or going to take "our guns away", etc.

In the next 4-8 years if he does any of the things he campaigned about (rarely ever happens in History) then maybe you'd understand.
 
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hotgirls.jpg.exe said:
Rich white men who traditionally have been in power vs a disenfranchised group traditionally marginalised, often in extremis. Totes equivalent 8)
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mmm, I'm afraid it's more than just "white men" there are tons of billionaires who control the inner-workings of the environment. Everyone has been disenfranchised in History. Even the rich.
 
Totally spot on, spacejunk. Also note that kicking fascist ass is an American tradition dating back to the 1940s; its as American as apple pie. Supporting fascism is borderline, if not outright, treason, as it goes against everything America stands for and its principles and goals are directly in conflict with the constitution.
 
Sorry last note:

It's hilarious that the left is now moaning about their "country being taken from them". <3
 
Well said Spacey.

What makes me laugh (or cry) is Trumps appointments. An oil man who sued the EPA 14 times to head the EPA. Goldman Sachs executive to finance. Sessions to Attorney General...scary. I guy who thought the Klan were ok till he found out they smoked pot. I wonder what his policy will be to legal weed.

He never drained the swamp...he just filled it with more toxic sewerage
 
Shrooms00087 said:
Sorry last note:

It's hilarious that the left is now moaning about their "country being taken from them". <3
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its hilarious that people who are so extremely far off to the right call everyone who isnt as extreme as them "the left". fucking hillary clinton is so far off to the right, a right wing conservative authoritarian neoliberal neocon, about the same policy-wise as dubya and even further right than trump, yet she gets called a "leftist extremist". it really shows just how much fascists have completely lost perspective and are completely delusional, how badly they're lost in tribalism, and how desperate they are to use propaganda tehcniques like "demonize the enemy", where "the enemy" is everyone who isnt a fascist like them. objective reality is objective reality, facts are facts; so-called "alternative facts" are properly called "lies" and "bullshit". the drumpf administration is literally using 1984 as an instruction manual - "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command" - this is literally what they're doing from day fucking one, claiming that even the most basic of objective, observable facts arent true. gaslighting is abuse, period, and i will not let these fuckers get away with gaslighting my country.
 
Droppersneck said:
It's kind of crazy how there were all these articles about how the conservatives were done and the Republican Party was in dissaray. When all is said and done the democrat party isn't even a national party anymore, but a coastal party. They went all in with this identity politics stuff and calling all precieved opposition racists, homophobes, alt right, deplorables, etc. Guess it didn't work. I'd love for them to fracture into the liberal democrats and like the progressive party. Where the democrats espouse the ideals of John Kennedy/classical liberalism. That would be something I could see myself getting behind. Especially a Dixiecrat that respects states rights and the second amendment.
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Not often I agree with you but I think you are spot, there.
 
tathra said:
its hilarious that people who are so extremely far off to the right call everyone who isnt as extreme as them "the left". fucking hillary clinton is so far off to the right, a right wing conservative authoritarian neoliberal neocon, about the same policy-wise as dubya and even further right than trump, yet she gets called a "leftist extremist". it really shows just how much fascists have completely lost perspective and are completely delusional, how badly they're lost in tribalism, and how desperate they are to use propaganda tehcniques like "demonize the enemy", where "the enemy" is everyone who isnt a fascist like them. objective reality is objective reality, facts are facts; so-called "alternative facts" are properly called "lies" and "bullshit". the drumpf administration is literally using 1984 as an instruction manual - "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command" - this is literally what they're doing from day fucking one, claiming that even the most basic of objective, observable facts arent true. gaslighting is abuse, period, and i will not let these fuckers get away with gaslighting my country.
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Interesting that "demonizing the enemy" is reserved instinctively for the Other. You've managed to do it yourself. Especially since we're only a few days into his Presidency you've stopped using "objective facts" (relating to what he is as a President) and started using conjecture (what he will be as President). In 2008 you would've thought that Obama would've created a European medical Utopia, didn't even come close.
 
Yeah John Kennedy would have been a republican if he ran today. The democrat party now is a neo Conservative party that chooses to be liberal with things that are flashy and distracting to its base. I'm still thanking god hillary lost! At least trump isn't part of their evil little establishment club. Though I'm sure he answers to the rockafellers lol
 
Droppersneck said:
Yeah John Kennedy would have been a republican if he ran today. The democrat party now is a neo Conservative party that chooses to be liberal with things that are flashy and distracting to its base. I'm still thanking god hillary lost! At least trump isn't part of their evil little establishment club. Though I'm sure he answers to the rockafellers lol
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I actually agree with this Droppers. The Dems and indeed our version here the Labor party are right wing neocons who window dress their agenda with "pet" issues to distract their voter base. In fact many in the Labor party are more right than some of those in the Liberal (confusing name but right wing major party) .The problem is both parties are poll driven and in Australia's case protected by a two party preferred voting system. People are sick of it and looking for alternatives. I get why Trump won. I just wonder if he would have beat Bernie had the democrat party machine not rigged it in Hillarys favour. That would have been an interesting contrast.
 
Shrooms00087 said:
In 2008 you would've thought that Obama would've created a European medical Utopia, didn't even come close.
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really? i'm pretty sure i wasnt posting here in 2008 and really only posted for a short while, maybe 2 years, between then and now, and never really posted in CE&P anyway, so what makes you think i'd think that?

as for the rest, some of us recognize totalitarian despots when we see them. we, you know, listen to what they say and dont try to rationalize it away like "oh he doesnt really want to deport all undocumented immigrants and mandate people with certain religions register with the government and that people should lose their citizenship based on petty, non-criminal actions". no, he means exactly what he says, what tiny bit of the constitution he knows about, he hates and has actually said that the "first amendment offers too much protection".

its a clue that somebody is unwilling to debate in good faith when they say shit like "He says what he means" and "Oh, he didnt really mean that". yes, he really means what he says (you know, just like they like him for doing!), and people arguing that he doesnt are either delusional or acting in bad faith.
 
I didn't mean to address you personally but generally the Spirit of the Obama administration. Typically what people campaign on is nothing more than the gas it takes from a to b and their planning is far from what is described on the campaign trail. This is typically how U.S. elections go. Time will tell.
 
Trump being "anti-establishment" has to be one of the biggest myths of the entire election season.

The Establishment is more than just the Democratic Party and some of the less sociopathic segments of the GOP, LOL. If the Establishment doesn't also include the moneyed interests who have enriched themselves to the tune of billions, and who have been inducted into Trump's cabinet to a greater degree than any other administration in recent history, then the expression is essentially meaningless in my opinion. The fact that Trump nominated a Goldman Sachs executive to head the Treasury really says it all...remember when the same people who praise Trump's "anti-establishment" credentials were screaming bloody murder over Hank Paulson, Timmy Geitner and TARP? I do. That's what makes this so humorous to me :)

The suckers get fooled once again.
 
Ryan01 said:
I suppose he should have just put a bunch of nobodies in his cabinet.
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who's suggesting that? answer: nobody.

trump campaigned on being a washington outsider who was going to govern for the people and 'drain the swamp'. one of his first acts as president was to appoint a bunch of business insiders to cabinet positions - exactly the types of people he complained about on the campaign.

alasdair
 
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