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Leaving your vessel

Foreigner said:
It's not our job to meet you, you have to come meet us. If you want the experience and the understanding then you have to let go of control. The only thing stopping you is you.
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^This.

It's truly amazing how expansive these experiences are; those who have seen can't show anyone else; the task is for every individual to try for themselves!

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Has anyone seen a "dot" when doing these meditations? Right in the center of my vision I see a bright dot, sometimes it is infinitely small and very clear (like a faraway star), oftentimes things shoot out from it.... shapes, energies. Very interesting! (And no, I'm very sane, thank you :))
 
I think that mind is clearly related to the brain, and may be dependant on it. Our brain will kick up thoughts such as, "I'm hungry," which is clearly based on brain chemistry. It may also kick up other thoughts which may not be causally related to brain functioning, but it's possible we could trace all thoughts back to that point.

I think the part of us that is able to leave our bodies is our consciousness. It may appear as, or be confused with, mind, because it's our mind we use to comprehend or contextualise what we're experiencing, when we experience these things.

If we accept evidence for telepathy, it doesn't necessarily imply mind can leave the body. Maybe our consciousness, our pure awareness, is what leaves - observes the information - and it is then relayed through the mind...

But who's to say the information can't exist independently of the mind? That's a whole other question though I guess

Although some people's consciousness' may have evolved properties similar to mind, by virtue of the great alchemical work of uniting the body-mind, with the consciousness.

Or something; I don't know.
 
I feel that mind doesn't not equal brain, the brain is just simply a way for our mind to work. "Wheels for the car to move", when you exploring the depths of your imagination and the realm of "thought", it doesn't feel like a physical action more of a outer realistic occurrence that we have for every second of life. You can never stop the mind, it's always transcending consciously and non-consciously. It's a beautiful thing the mind is, extremely different from everything else in our world.
 
exists said:
Has anyone seen a "dot" when doing these meditations? Right in the center of my vision I see a bright dot, sometimes it is infinitely small and very clear (like a faraway star), oftentimes things shoot out from it.... shapes, energies. Very interesting! (And no, I'm very sane, thank you :))
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YES, it's almost pulsing, I see it if I'm trying to notice it. It's like when you close your eyes and it like a blue/green/red multi-color, when I close my eyes i try to transform it into certain objects.
 
I don't think Brain = Mind, but mind may be an emergent phenomena of the brain. Thoughts aren't Mind; Mind is what organises (to some vague level) thoughts. Thoughts can exist independent of brains I think, so psychic phenomena could also be explained via this mechanism i.e our Minds picking up 'thought bubbles.' We really don't know for sure at this point.

^All just my opinion btw, and could well change upon further consideration!
 
When I was about eight years old I was thinking about star wars, and in your mind you can see images per-ser, well i Vividly saw the scene where young anikan was building his space racer or whatever, and i saw that image through my eyes, like I visually saw it, and It wasn't in my head. It was very intriguing and till this day I still can't visually make my thoughts appear..
 
Apologies for the slight thread derailment yesterday..

I really need to stop posting while drunk :\

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I think what is interesting is that we are able to strongly perceive emotions, an aspect of our reality that is not tied to any of our overt physical senses. Because of that potential, it doesn't seem like such a great leap to think we could tune into perceiving other elements that may be present in our reality beyond the physical world and beyond the reach of our five basic senses. I guess you could carve up someone's brain and say: "there is the limbic system, it makes you feel feels", but that hardly constitutes an explanation for why we feel feels in the first place.
 
No problem, Rick. We all have our moments :\

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You know what's funny? Sometimes when staring at the "dot," it expands and makes a portal of noise (like TV static). Whenever I hold this portal stable for long enough, our birds (3 cockatiels) start chirping a lot, or animals outside start making more noise. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Also, through that portal, patterns start emerging, but they seem encoded somehow. Anyway, it's all very interesting!

P.S. I've already mentioned this in another thread, but what I was going to say about the inverse square law (ISL) is this: Our brains produce electromagnetic energy (EM), and the intensity of EM fields follow the ISL. The ISL shows that in a continuous universe (whether the universe is continuous or discrete is an ongoing debate, and hasn't been settled), the intensity of energy coming from any particular source never reaches zero at any distance. The intensity becomes very weak, very quickly, but never reaches zero. Patterns emanating from animal sources will be much different than those coming from so-called "lifeless" sources, which opens up that possibility that, even though such signals may be weak, they could be distinguished from other sources of "noise."

Also, my experiences on salvia d. seem to indicate that "portals" can be opened and utilized. Portals coming from the back of my head (when laying on my back) have taken me into the worlds of other humans beings. The one time a portal opened up above me (on salvia), aliens or something were beckoning me to join them... in fact, they had been waiting for me for some time!
 
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What does this dot thing have to do with leaving one's body?

You've brought this up in more than one thread, exists.
 
If you're trying to look for the "dot" dont actually close your eyes and try to visualize a dot. A good way to find it is by closing your eyes and try to stare deep into you're eyelids.

Once you get the hang of it you'll realize it's not merely a dot, but almost a pulsing energy, and you'll start to see this "energy" everywhere.

I started seeing this when I was back in 2nd grade and i stared at the lights in my classroom.
 
Galaxies said:
I believe that every humans body is controlled by their mind and the body is nothing, but an object that lets our mind interact with the outside world. A vessel. In reality our body doesn't tell us what to do or make decisions it's our mind that commands our body.
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Okay. You can believe that and I can tell you a 99.9% certainty that youre absolutely wrong. I dont need to prove anything or marginalize your statement into a demeaning phrase because the entire world of scientists that know anything about anything since they were ten years old knew that our body has something to do with our conscious experience.


I apologize if I sound a little angry here, but our civilization went through catastrophe's of their own culture to prove their misguided senses about animals falling from the sky into a classification where Carlous Linnaeus had to deal with rocks being two thousand years old that served no other purpose for the utility of man.


Science of the mind has progressed passed native Indian philosophies. Shit, we were in the BC era when it was first proposed that "bile", and perhaps different forms of it constituted a legit physical process that ended up as a conscious experience. Are you going to overturn scientific papers on the causation of our neurological tendencies? We made great progress since our time on this planet. If you want to prove your words to yourself, go ahead. Thats your cognitive baggage. Im not going back to the 1500's when science was a backwater swamp, drowning a few people who trudged through and ethereal philosophies about the origination of the mind held up on the walls of those cathedrals.
 
Spoo, please tone down the condescension a little bit. Comparing the whole realm of beliefs that are different from modern science to "Indian philosophies" is pretty insulting.
 
Spoo said:
We made great progress since our time on this planet. .... Im not going back to the 1500's when science was a backwater swamp
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Ow, wise man.

Can you explain me this fantastic thing called "progress." How can reality "change"? Surely, our clever* scientists today answerred this question more insightfully than the ancient Greeks (Parminedes, Heraclitus, Plato, Aristotle,...) and the ancient Indian philosophers.

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* i.e. scientists who probably don't even have the time to understand what their colleages on the opposite side of the hall-way are doing
** ok, this is probably to harsh: most hard-working scientists are more modest and skeptical about their enterprise; it's the enlightened science-fanclub watching some youtube-movies and looking at some nice pictures of the galaxy in a popular magazine, who really "know" science.
 
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Posted this in another thread but think it is well worth posting here also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg

I don't believe the hypothesis this guy has come up with but if i take the studies he has used to form it as gospel then i see many flaws and or something well worth investigating further.

Here is a link that mentions studies that seemingly show evidence for the morpohfenic fields existence:

http://www.co-intelligence.org/P-moreonmorphgnicflds.html

(Rereading them I see MANY problems.. :\)
 
rickolasnice said:
Posted this in another thread but think it is well worth posting here also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg
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Nah mate, you posted it in this thread already, not that long ago! Get with it son ;)

It's a good talk though...

I think the idea of Morphic Fields is interesting, I think it can appease those with an atheistic tint, as it can explain some of the more 'esoteric' phenomena, without need of a god-like figure.
 
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