Lawmakers concerned salvia could become the next marijuana [updated: illegal in FL]

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Lawmakers concerned salvia could become the next marijuana
March 11, 2007
JESSICA GRESKO, Associated Press Writer
Yahoo.com

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - On Web sites touting the mind-blowing powers of salvia divinorum, come-ons to buy the hallucinogenic herb are accompanied by warnings: "Time is running out! ... stock up while you still can."

That's because salvia is being targeted by lawmakers concerned that the inexpensive and easy-to-obtain plant could become the next marijuana. Eight states have already placed restrictions on salvia, and 16 others, including Florida, are considering a ban or have previously.

"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally. This is just the next one," said Florida state Rep. Mary Brandenburg, who has introduced a bill to make possession of salvia a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Some say legislators are overreacting to a minor problem, but no one disputes that the plant impairs judgment and the ability to drive.

Native to Mexico and still grown there, salvia divinorum is generally smoked but can also be chewed or made into a tea and drunk.

Called nicknames like Sally-D, Magic Mint and Diviner's Sage, salvia is a hallucinogen that gives users an out-of-body sense of traveling through time and space or merging with inanimate objects. Unlike hallucinogens like LSD or PCP, however, salvia's effects last for a shorter time, generally up to an hour.

No known deaths have been attributed to salvia's use, but it was listed as a factor in one Delaware teen's suicide two years ago.

"Parents, I would say, are pretty clueless," said Jonathan Appel, an assistant professor of psychology and criminal justice at Tiffin University in Ohio who has studied the emergence of the substance. "It's much more powerful than marijuana."

Salvia's short-lasting effects and fact that it is currently legal may make it seem more appealing to teens, lawmakers say. In the Delaware suicide, the boy's mother told reporters that salvia made his mood darker but he justified its use by citing its legality. According to reports, the autopsy found no traces of the drug in his system, but the medical examiner listed it as a contributing cause.

Mike Strain, Louisiana's Agriculture and Forestry Commissioner and former legislator, helped his state in 2005 become the first to make salvia illegal, along with a number of other plants. He said the response has been largely positive.

"I got some hostile e-mails from people who sold these products," Strain said. "You don't make everybody happy when you outlaw drugs. You save one child and it's worth it."

An ounce of salvia leaves sells for around $30 on the Internet. A liquid extract from the plant, salvinorin A, is also sold in various strengths labeled "5x" through "60x." A gram of the 5x strength, about the weight of a plastic pen cap, is about $12 while 60x strength is around $65. And in some cases the extract comes in flavors including apple, strawberry and spearmint.

Web sites such as Salviadragon.com tout the product with images like a waterfall and rainbow and include testimonials like "It might sound far fetched, but I experience immortality."

Among those who believe the commotion over the drug is overblown is Rick Doblin of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, a nonprofit group that does research on psychedelic drugs and whose goal is to develop psychedelics and marijuana into prescription medication.

"I think the move to criminalize is a misguided response to a very minimal problem," Doblin said.

Doblin said salvia isn't "a party drug," "tastes terrible" and is "not going to be extremely popular." He disputes the fact teens are its main users and says older users are more likely.

"It's a minor drug in the world of psychedelics," he said.

Moreover, it's hard to say how widespread the use of salvia is. National and state surveys on drug use don't include salvia, and because it is legal in most states, law enforcement officials don't compile statistics, either.

San Diego State University last year surveyed more than 1,500 students and found that 4 percent of participants reported using salvia in the past year.

Brandenburg's bill would make salvia and its extract controlled substances in the same class as marijuana and LSD.

Florida state Sen. Evelyn Lynn, whose committee plans to study the salvia bill Tuesday, said the drug should be criminalized.

"I'd rather be at the front edge of preventing the dangers of the drug than waiting until we are the 40th or more," she said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_re_us/hallucinogenic_plant
 
phrozen said:
This story pops up every once in a while.


Maybe they're serious now?

it is on the front page of Yahoo...

I say it is Schedule 1 by 2009.
 
EmuBitter said:
when are people goin to start basing health policies on evidence

the general public is so clueless that there is no hope for them. the DEA, on the other hand, should be held responsible for their actions:

US Federal Analogue Act
Under the Federal Analogue Act, salvia fails to meet the "chemically similar" criteria and thus is not subject to the analogue act provisions. However, the DEA has recently changed their view on this and now states:

"Salvia Divinorum, Salvinorin A, and Divinorin A are not listed in the Controlled Substances Act. If sold for human consumption, Salvia may be subject to control under the Analogue statutes because of its functional pharmacological similarities to other CI hallucinogens like THC."
-- from DEA Diversion Salvia Page Feb 2002

However the DEA's analysis is completely flawed. The Federal Analogue Act, as currently understood requires that a substance be "chemically similar" to a controlled substance not "pharmacologically similar" as the DEA suggests in their quote. Very little is known about the pharmacology of Salvia and there is still much unknown about the pharmacology of THC. Saying the two are 'pharmacologically similar' might satisfy the paragraph II of the Analogue Act test, but its also just wrong. Perhaps the DEA has performed human pharamcology studies on salvinorin that they are keeping secret, but most likely the authors of this article are just trying to use their position to further extend the reach of their power well beyond the scope of the law.

Salvinorin is not a chemical analog of any scheduled substance.
 
I don't even know why that shit is so popular. Next MJ? Yeah, because Salvia is so chill... makes me just want to sit back and eat some cheetos.
 
Moronic title, but this article was actually more well-balanced than I expected.
 
captainballs said:
I don't even know why that shit is so popular. Next MJ? Yeah, because Salvia is so chill... makes me just want to sit back and eat some cheetos.
Yea my one salvia experience went: god this smoke tastes nasty, complete head fuck for a few mins, and then an hour of feeling retarded, bordering on a headache, and almost nausea
 
Salvia will never become the next Marijuana.

Salvia can hardly be compared to the first 2 times you smoke pot, when it's a total mind-fvck. After that, you can deal with it fine- but Salvia will have you in another planet.

If Salvia was that cool, everyone would already be doing it...
 
Flavored salvia? You have time to process the flavor, savor it, and enjoy it?

After a decent hit, you won't even know what the concept of flavor is.
 
Salvia is such an impractical drug.

Who the fuck enjoys that? You really need to alter your reality that much, with no real payoff besides "what teh hell"?

Oh please. Put this fucking drug on Schedule I with marijuana.
 
Hey, MattPsy, schedule it because it is a mind altering substance that causes a dangerous state of mind that is very unpredictable. People have died and gotten hurt from salvia. It can exacerbate psychosis or even induce a temporary psychosis.

Why would you want to keep it on the shelves for little kids to try MattPsy?

You're not too much of a bright fellow. Go back to spinning in your little spiral avatar. Oh, but take a "blast" of that salvia first, of course. You wouldn't want to miss the spiritual experience! (delusions)
 
It's only a matter of time... but salvia nothing to write home about, I don't think I'll miss it very much.
 
KillaSeason said:
"As soon as we make one drug illegal, kids start looking around for other drugs they can buy legally

so ban all drugs its the only way to avoid people abuse drugs, right?

hey wait a second didnt they already ban/schedule all the drugs (at least the real ones:D)
 
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