TDS Last binge effects

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So basically I'm an alcoholic although I go through phases of sobriety. Last month I hardly drank at all and started working out and riding my bike again. Long story short I guess is that due to some personal problems I started drinking heavily again. I'm afraid this last binge may have caused some lasting effects. I've been sleeping horribly and having fucked up dreams. I feel shaky and depressed as all fuck. I don't really know what to do.

Also I should mention that I feel like my personality has changed. I cuss a lot normally but it seems like I've lost all control of my mind and what comes out of my mouth.
 
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Hey nuts<3.. time to pull back and rejoin a better way of living.. the end game in alcohol is IMO the worst game I have ever seen.. I think it has to do with the fact that booze so numbs our frontal lobes that can act like insane losers when that is the farthest thing from what we are. boozing in the end is truely hell. Please pull back and figure out a way to stop as getting the shakes means you are getting close to physical dependence and IMO booze has to be the worst drug ever to detox from a physical dependence and also IMO will do such terrible things to your health and life. you can figure this out, which is good cause your going to have to<3
 
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Neversick is spot on with the reference to the frontal lobe. That can certainly explain why you've been acting the way you have after a long binge. I know the day after I drink (and I rarely EVER drink) I get really irritable, snappy, etc.

The sooner you get off alcohol completely, the much better you'll feel. Alcohol addiction can be such a horrible thing to go through- I've seen someone (very young) lose their life to it. When you do start to detox completely, please make sure you do it safely because it can be VERY dangerous..
 
I know that as an alcoholic, I will finally start feeling better when I lay off the booze. The longer and more you use at any given time causes the aftereffects to increase exponentially, in my experience. If you have access to benzos I would use them to detox, but this is a very slippery slope and I feel it's not the best advice. However, seizures are NOT cool and I had to taper down with alcohol b/c I have no access to other drugs at the moment.

I've used DXM to effectively quit at times b/c it knocks out the depression that I feel and helps me not to feel so hopeless, but you can only use this if you're really losing it. The dissociation can help me put things into perspective. Overall, I would recommend going to AA meetings because everyone there will know how you feel and it's kind of like free therapy. I have found massive benefit in going to meetings regularly. You don't have to drink the Kool-Aid, so to speak...but if you're desperate enough then meetings can be really liberating and help you to not feel so alone because you really aren't.
 
you really start to feel better when you stop alcohol much better maybe not through the wd phase or DTs but once you get past that everyday gets better and better try to high cloud high instead of rock bottom
 
If you have access to benzos I would use them to detox, but this is a very slippery slope and I feel it's not the best advice.

I'm already on benzos. Good right?

I've used DXM to effectively quit at times b/c it knocks out the depression that I feel and helps me not to feel so hopeless, but you can only use this if you're really losing it. The dissociation can help me put things into perspective.

The last time I used dxm which was years ago it led me into a dissociated/depressed state I don't care to return to.

Overall, I would recommend going to AA meetings because everyone there will know how you feel and it's kind of like free therapy. I have found massive benefit in going to meetings regularly. You don't have to drink the Kool-Aid, so to speak...but if you're desperate enough then meetings can be really liberating and help you to not feel so alone because you really aren't.

Sorry, not happening. Not going to go to a religious cult that courts can unfairly mandate people to attend. I actually talked to someone once about it who was a member and I felt like he was trying to recruit me into the military. Despite what people say the 12 step thing is religious. I have nothing against religion but I don't feel like it has any place in treatment, especially court mandated. Separation of church and state and all that...
 
I'm trying to beat my intravenous cocaine addiction. Different withdrawal, I know, but the structural similarities between heavy addictions to uppers (like myself with cocaine) and downers (like yourself with alcohol) I believe are more numerous and far more fundamental than the trivial, drug-specific dissimilarities (like cocaine's restless legs and akathisia, or alcohol's muscle spasms or delirium tremens).

Initially, and for a very long time, I felt the way you do regarding groups like AA or NA. The literature I've read on the matter both confirmed the notion I had heard of that the classical step-based program is both faith-based (incompatible with my staunch atheism) and firmly rooted in the acceptance of personal impotency and weakness before substances (incompatible with my conception of ethics).

However, not only are there alternatives to the traditional program, some of which are scientific rather than faith-based (such as SMART), but also, hearing about the dynamics of actual groups from people who have and do attend the meetings, I'm beginning to think the value of having a group of people who both understand/relate to where you're coming from, but also share highly moving, significantly inspiring, terribly shocking and sincerely frightening experiences, may be something I was overlooking. Sometimes all it takes is someone with a different perspective or using just the right words for some lessons and messages to permanently sink in.

I've started researching alternative programs in my area, though Venezuela has very little diversity. Even if nothing comes up in my city, I will strongly consider attending some NA meetings, which I know do exist here, and seeing if the group system indeed offers me the added value I suspect it can. Maybe it can do so for you too--you don't have to follow the steps or buy into the religious side of it, but you can get some life lessons from people walking the same road you are, just a few (or a few thousand) miles further down.
 
I'm feelin better guys even tho I've still been drinking. Some of the symptoms I was having I think was also from not sleeping good and some exacerbated mental problems. I'm planning on buying one more bottle and transferring my money to a family member after that and just getting an allowance each week so I'm not tempted... Sounds pathetic a 31 year old with an allowance lol. Anyways, going to start working out again beginning next month. It will probably take me a few days to dry out but I think I'll be good by then. One of the other reasons I don't like the twelve steps is that I'll never believe that I'm powerless over any substance. It's my choice to drink or not, it's not like there's some supernatural force making me.
 
Yeah alcohol is a bitch. I drank for 25 years, hard drinking. The last three years of it all my body would let me keep down was wine....I was like its fruit! Not a big deal. But three, four bottles a night WAS a big deal. I finally quit New Years, and haven't had a drink since. Xanax helped, but activity helped more. You mentioned working out...that's the best thing that you can do. Force yourself to get up and do something that makes you sweat. When you start getting that urge to drink change your mindset...work out, go for a run, etc. Dont isolate, change your habits. If you drink a lot during a activity (computer, TV, etc) change your habits. Keep your fridge full of non alcoholic stuff...shit I had no idea there was so many great things to drink out there! I know you said that you were just going to cut back, but as an addict you know that wont work for long.
Good luck man, I know it's hard.
 
So basically I'm an alcoholic although I go through phases of sobriety. Last month I hardly drank at all and started working out and riding my bike again. Long story short I guess is that due to some personal problems I started drinking heavily again. I'm afraid this last binge may have caused some lasting effects. I've been sleeping horribly and having fucked up dreams. I feel shaky and depressed as all fuck. I don't really know what to do.

Also I should mention that I feel like my personality has changed. I cuss a lot normally but it seems like I've lost all control of my mind and what comes out of my mouth.

I am also an alcoholic and have been through exactly what you describe. (Side note, I have been sober since Jan 2011 ) but I would like to offer you some insight as to what you are experiencing. First off, I don't know your age, and how much you drink, and for how long you have been drinking. But before we get to that I would like to ask some questions if I may. Have you ever experienced delirium tremens or partial or full on seizures? I see you have a post count of almost 1000 thousand so perhaps you have answered these questions, I am new here and there is only so much I can read about a particular person, but I would like to help you. As an alcoholic I believe that relapse is a part of the process ( I did not want to say disease, that is very disrespectful in my opinion and I did not want to offend you ). Now to get you better, what can we do..hmmm. I believe that accepting that you will relapse from time to time is ok, as long as you realize that you have to STOP and go back to being sober. From the few symptoms you describe, I would insinuate possible mild malnutrition, electrolyte imbalance and possible endocrinology issues. But relax, this is not as bad as it sounds and is actually quite easy to fix if you try. First and foremost I would get on a steady and proper diet. Your body is craving nutrients, I surmise this on the fact that you are having acute to moderate insomnia and your personality has changed. I don't think there is a magic pill that can fix all that, but eating right and sleeping is a very good cure. But yes, you can't sleep, what to do. Well, there is a supplement called melatonin which can be found at such places as GNC or other vitamin places and I would also recommend 5-htp to help with the mental issues. These may or may not work, every person is different but before you go the hard route ( benzos ), perhaps you could give a milder solution a try. Neither melatonin nor 5-htp is habit forming from what I know. But please make sure to realize that if you are on certain medications such as MAOI's and such, you really need to be careful with possible side effects ; interactions. If you are indeed on prescription meds, your best source is a local pharmacist, you can simply go in and go *hey, I am taking this and that, can I also take this or that supplement), this would save you some cash from having to go to the doctor to ask. Now I will stop this post here and If you take interest in my help, I will be glad to attempt to help you further.
 
You need to taper using a benzo or even taper using small amounts of alcohol if you are doing massive drinking binges and then just stopping abruptly. It can and WILL kill you and even more often it will cause terrible, horrible seizures that sometimes result in death themselves. If you drink a lot every day for a long period or even for a short period, you must taper for a few days or you risk experiencing one of the most serious of events.... seizure and/or death.

Fun Fact: Benzodiazepines and Ethanol Alcohol are the only two drugs that can cause a potentially lethal withdrawal if you don't taper off of them slowly. Taper for at least 3-6 days or even up to 1.5-2 weeks when you plan to stop. Do NOT abruptly quit if you are a heavy binge drinker or an alcoholic. If you don't taper and happen to get away with not dying (after stopping a real drinking habit abruptly) there's still probably about a 90% chance you're going to have a seizure at some point or if you get super lucky and don't have either... there's still a good chance that something unrelated could set one off easily since the seizure threshold would be lowered so much. Basically... taper with benzos or alcohol slowly and reduce your dosage a little bit each day before quitting or there is a very good chance (still, it depends on how much and how long and how often you were drinking) that you may have a seizure at some point and i'll say it yet again... you could also die. I have seen some reasonably heavy daily functional (beer) drinkers get away with quitting super abruptly but I have a feeling they were not drinking every day for very long periods or may have been only having the equivalent of 6-7-8 beers a day or so but not doing it every single last day. And I'd bet when I thought they were quitting abruptly that they still snuck in a beer or two somehow, at least for the first couple of days. Personally, I would also taper even a 6 beer a day habit. Without a doubt, even 6 beers a day is enough that you'll wanna taper for a few days if you've been drinking that way for a few months or years.... just in case if not for any other reason.

I wrote an even longer, really long, real, real, real, long (like my money, har har, I make a joke just now) response to this a minute ago that had a lot of taper recommendation details but, silly me, I accidently hit the back button and now all that I had written is now gone for good. I think the save button is like tapering an alcohol addiction... if you don't do it... you might be gone forever before you expect it. Oh well. Just... MAKE SURE U TAPER BEFORE U QUIT A SERIOUS ALCOHOL ADDICTION OR BINGE, OR BENZO ADDICTION OR BINGE! Else, I'll act like your alcoholic stepfather and beat yo' ass, son. Gonna come @ u like a spider-monkey bro!!! The only good thing you ever did was make a hot daughter! If you don't chew big red... fuck you!

Sorry, I had to get those last few quotes out of my system... they've been stuck in here for days now. Back to the serious talk: As you now know,you can use small amounts of alcohol to taper or you can use a benzo to taper... do it for about 3 - 6 days (ideally) before stopping completely and don't forget to reduce your taper dosage a little bit each day until you're down to about .25mg of clonazepam (which is preferred for an alcohol taper due to it's longer half life, but there are others with an even longer half life and to be honest, almost any benzo will do just fine.) Personally, I prefer alprazolam (Xanax) just because it has the shortest half life and quickest onset/peak plasma and I don't actually drink so I don't need to use it to taper. I also have managed to avoid a benzo addiction somehow... strange considering I'm an opiate man. Just use (virtually) whatever benzo you want.... any of them that come from a real doctor will work fine. That means... don't use phenazepam (cheap as fuck online with a 72 hour half life) or you might wake up in jail 3 days later having purchased a brand new $20,000 piano on ebay... If you're using alcohol to taper... try to get it down to about a shot/drink/beer twice a day or maybe one midday and one before bed... however you prefer... just get it down to one or two per twenty for hours before stopping completely. Also, if you don't have benzos to use for alcohol withdrawal and for some reason only are able to get enough alcohol to taper for one or two days... do it, it'll help. Any kind of a taper could make a very big difference (still, I would aim for 3-6 days of slowly lowered dosages.... you can always add an extra day or two as long as you continue to lower the dosage) and could perhaps mean the difference between life or death.
 
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Thanks for the advice guys. I read it all just too much all for me to respond to. I've never had seizures or full blown dt's... Pretty much the worst I've felt is what I talked about in my first post. Today I had about 7 drinks and took my vitamins and ate a lot better than yesterday. Stayed hydrated. Felt pretty ok besides some stupid fucking family problems going on. I am tempted to drink more tomorrow tho.
 
Going to try to quit cold turkey indefinitely tomorrow although if I do start withdrawaling bad I may a tallboy or two... We'll see. Wish me luck guys not that I deserve it.
 
Didn't drink at all today and am feeling OK besides some heartburn. Got 3 pints and 1 cig left I'll probably have tomorrow, then after that gonna dry out for a good while hopefully.
 
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