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Laser eye treatment

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as I keep losing my glasses I am planning to get the notorious LASIK eye treatment done. I have read up on the pros an d cons and I guess this may not really help me further, but still - I just might get the right nudge in the right direction, to have it done or not have it done.

I know full well there are risks, especially if I am considered a "good" candidate erroneously, i.e. if my pupils are too large or my cornea is too thin.

What other risks are there that I may be overlooking?

Has anyone had it done or know someone who has had it done who is either very pleased or very upset about the results?

And, suppose I use hallucinogenic substances after having had it done, and my pupils dilating further than the laser has treated the cornea surface... how would this affect my vision? (you know, people mention this odd effect with night vision... where dots become stars...)

thanks
for any helpful input


:)
 
I've had it done (and I have large pupils and thin cornea - plus my vision was worse than 20/900 in both eyes). Now my vision is 20/20 in both eyes.

It was *THE* best thing I've ever done for myself. But I cannot stress enough the importance of getting a GOOD doctor. Get recommendations, look up their names in medical reports, check, check and double check them. It will cost you a lot more, but aren't your eyes worth it?

My doctor was one of the first doctors to do this procedure and actually came up with some of the equipment used. So I was extremely lucky to get him to work on my eyes given the problems I had.
 
the only bad things i've heard about it is lack of night vision and seeing glare on lights at night. is it true?
 
^^
I did get some glare at night time for awhile. But it went away after 6 months or so. I think in most cases it does go away after awhile (but I've heard some unlucky people have it permanently).
 
What is PRK?
The most recent development in vision correction is a procedure called Photorefractive Keratectomy or PRK. Although the approach is similar to RK, in that the cornea is modified to correct vision, the process is vastly different with remarkable improvements in patient risk and correction capabilities
PRK_ablate_myop.GIF

Rather than making cuts in the cornea, the PRK process uses an excimer laser to sculpt an area 5 to 9 millimeters in diameter on the surface of the eye. As you can see from the diagram, this process removes only 5-10% of the thickness of the cornea for mild to moderate myopia and up to 30% for extreme myopia - about the thickness of 1 to 3 human hairs. The major benefit of this procedure is that the integrity and the strength of the corneal dome is retained. The excimer laser is set at a wavelength of 193nm, which can remove a microscopic corneal cell layer without damaging any adjoining cells. This allows the practitioner to make extremely accurate and specific modifications to the cornea with little trauma to the eye.
PRK_ablate_hyper.GIF

This ability to sculpt, rather than cut, opens up the arena for treating additional vision conditions. At this stage, there are excimer laser machines that with a combination of masks and computer controls, can reliably treat myopia, hyperopia and now astigmatism
PRK- Predictability and Safety
Although PRK sculpts only a tiny amount of tissue from the cornea, it is a surgical procedure and thus the outcome cannot be guaranteed. Any surgical procedure should be undertaken only after careful consideration of the likelihood of success and consequences of any possible risks or side effects. Thorough professional advice from a qualified eye surgeon or surgeons is required before any eye treatment is undertaken. Predictability can be defined in several ways- we favor a percentage approach to achievement of visual goals, with 20/20 uncorrected vision being ideal and 20/40 uncorrected vision being okay or acceptable. Uncorrected vision of 20/40 still allows driving without glasses. Most PRK facilities and machines report that 65-70% of patients with correction up to -6.00 diopters can expect 20/20 uncorrected vision post operatively. The percentage with 20/40 uncorrected acuity is 90-95%. Corrections less than -6.00 diopters will have better odds and corrections greater than -6.00 will have lower odds. The safety of the procedure is judged on the basis of the chance of a possible complication. Serious complications are extremely rare. Infection is the most worrisome complication and fortunately it can usually be eliminated with antibiotic medications. Other possible problems include delayed surface healing, corneal haze and or scarring, over or undercorrection, and the development of astigmatism. Some individuals can have a poor or excessive healing response. Again most complications remain treatable with medications or further surgery.

It is also important to separate the normally expected side effects of surgery and healing from real complications. Immediately after surgery some people have discomfort, although the use of bandage contact lenses and medications usually control this nicely. Light sensitivity is almost universal and halos and other unusual light effects can occur. Vision can be reduced while healing and from the normally planned overcorrection. Medical professionals and their associates consider this treatment as experimental as longterm side effects are not yet known. You must discuss and fully understand all of these possible side effects and problems prior to surgery. Hopefully, the information here will assist you in that process.


The cost of surgery is about $1850 per eye, its expensive because I have a thin cornea and its the one of the only options I have for my vision correction.
honEbee said:
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I did get some glare at night time for awhile. But it went away after 6 months or so. I think in most cases it does go away after awhile (but I've heard some unlucky people have it permanently).
They also LADARWave® wavefront measuring device where they shoot a beam of light on your cornea to measure the contours so they can adjust the lazer to better fit your surgical procedure, the benefit with this is that you will be able to remove glare at night and a possiblity to have your eyes to be better than 20/20 vision.

On Thursday I will be given PRK surgery. Wish me good luck!:)

I'll tell you how it goes, BTW.
 
Good to see Pasilda Nacera made a least decent informed post.... :)

I am interested too... but I am too scared because I am deaf you see and I depend my eyes to get on with my daily duties and life.... just scared if they fucked up my vision in laser surgery and end up blind and deaf... fuck I am gonna jump off the bridge if I ever go blind and deaf.... I just rather die, don't think I can handle it at all.....
 
Urbanhog said:
Good to see Pasilda Nacera made a least decent informed post.... :)

I am interested too... but I am too scared because I am deaf you see and I depend my eyes to get on with my daily duties and life.... just scared if they fucked up my vision in laser surgery and end up blind and deaf... fuck I am gonna jump off the bridge if I ever go blind and deaf.... I just rather die, don't think I can handle it at all.....


You have nothing to worry about, the chances of the surgery going wrong Is 0.02%

Which means you have a better chance from dying from a car accident.

(going by the pamphlet they gave me at the lasik surgery center)
 
Pasilda Nacera said:
You have nothing to worry about, the chances of the surgery going wrong Is 0.02%

hmmm... yeah, good luck with it!! I'm still hanging in there... waiting... the place I'd get it done seems reputable, and upon my email inquiry i was told that there's a 10% chance that some complications, which can 'almost always' be corrected, occur... sounds more honest than that 0.02% blah, but then what do I know. Being blind might well be okay if you're born that way, but learnign to cope with it later... 8(
 
I've only heard good things as well. The friend I had that got it done said the common "going wrong" things really just meant you had to go back in for another visit, or that it didn't clear up totally, but not really the fear people have about going blind or whatnot.
 
My husband had it done a year ago and has had no problems what so ever. I even got to watch the whole procedure performed!
He had a little bit of discomfort right after the surgery (extreme sensitivity to light) so they gave him a xanax which took care of the problem. The next day he was back to normal.
 
We'll I got my laser surgery on Thursday of last week. The Laser surgery it self was not that bad, they gave me some valium to calm my nerves and they gave me a lot of drops to numb my eyes. When they did the laser all it was is staring at a laser for less than a minute for each eye. After the operation they gave me 3 different kinds of drops that I have to put for 4 times a day to keep my eye from getting an infection or swelling.

For PRK surgery it takes about 1 week to heal and the healing process is a bitch. Your eyes burn everytime your eye dries up (which happens very often). They gave me Tylenol w/ Codeine for the pain but it doesn't help at all. If you end up doing PRK I suggest you get some artificial tears for the eye dryness because it does help a lot. Also I did notice that doing a couple lines of coke does help for the pain in the eye which is helps much better than codeine but I wouldn't suggest it.

My Eye vision is not 100% but the doctor said it will be when my eye fully heals. But hopefully by the end of this week I will completly recover.
 
I really need to do something like this. :\ I refuse to wear my glasses all the time (I do wear them for driving and watching TV/movies), but it's gotten to the stage where I can't clearly see people's faces until they're about 3 meters away. It's like they've been smudged with an eraser. Driving without my glasses is impossible; unless I'm right under a street sign I wouldn't have a clue what it says.

Funny story: My neighbour across the road asked my boyfriend the other day why I ignore him . Apparently he's been smiling and nodding, and even waving to me since they moved in several weeks ago and I haven't even noticed! Poor guy :|

Anyone know the costs of the operation in Australia?
 
Caulfield Eye Clinic charges $1600 per eye. (http://www.eyelaser.com.au/)

Why you won't wear glasses all the time? I find ladies with glasses attractive most of the time... of course it's probably I wear glasses and also depend on the ladie's face shape/glasses frame style, etc... :D
 
I have also considered it, but wont be getting it that soon, maybe a few years down the road when technology matures. my vision is -5 diopters and I can see almost 20/20 with the best glasses.


http://www.edwardwillett.com/Columns/lasereye.htm


read this link. there is a new method comming very soon that will give you a 90 plus percent chance of 20/20 vision with 20/5 being possible if you get lucky. This is the method of correction I will go for. why should I get correction now when I can see fine with glasses? the new correction will ensure I see better than I did with glasses, now thats something to smile about.


LASIK surgery isn't for everyone. Not everyone ends up with 20/20 vision without glasses or contacts. People who need reading glasses before surgery still need reading glasses afterward. Some people actually end up with worse vision. Many patients don't see as well in situations of low contrast, such as at night or in a fog, as they did before treatment; some see halos around lights at night.

However, scientists continue to refine the procedure. Current laser surgery only correct major aberrations, not only leaving subtle ones untouched but introducing new ones. So researchers are looking for ways to map and correct these subtle aberrations. One method is to shine light into the eye and analyze the reflections bouncing off the retina. In recent trials, surgery based on this information produced 20/20 vision or better in 93 percent of cases.

Other researchers are using scans to directly measure the shape of the cornea, and one, Jim Schwiegerling, an opthamologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson, is combining both approaches to create a highly detailed computer model of the eye, which is then used to guide the laser during surgery. His goal is to ensure that everyone who has surgery gets at least 20/20 vision out of it. A few may even end up with 20/10 or 20/5 vision.


http://www.eyecareindia.com/files/Opinion_wavefront.htm
 
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Urbanhog said:
Why you won't wear glasses all the time? I find ladies with glasses attractive most of the time... of course it's probably I wear glasses and also depend on the ladie's face shape/glasses frame style, etc... :D

I just don't like how I look in them. Although people tell me I look great in them; I just don't like it personally. Maybe new frames would make a difference, I've had mine for about 9 years.

Thanks for the link! :)
 
I went for a consult with a reputable doctor last year affiliated with the University of Miami.

He told me he'd do it if I really wanted, but he recommended to hold off on the procedure until I've had at least one child. Evidently that will change my vision somewhat- don't know why. I'm at a -5 in my left, -4.5 in my right and getting worse (my mother was a -9 by the age of 30 and all 6 of her siblings are nearsighted). I'm going for my yearly contact lens exam next week and I'm pretty sure they've gotten worse as I've noticed eyestrain while driving lately.

I wear contact lenses 90% of the time and they're minimally intrusive. I see better than 20/20 with them, and when my allergies get bad or my eyes are tired, I put on my glasses and rock the sexy librarian look. ;)

Can't be bothered to look up the study, but I've read something in the past where nearsightedness is correlated with intelligence. :)

I know several people who have had the procedure. Most are thrilled with it! Only one has had problems- starbursts around lights at night, and he was about a -8 if I remember correctly. He had to have a second procedure which did not help but did not make it worse.
 
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