Kysts in under my nipples and "breasts" area - Detatestryl once a week

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I know it says it can cause this in the leaflet in the box it came in and the doctor who re-examined me after 3 months of therapy (same doc who prescribed, a real A+ doctor) said I have to have to take a bunch of blood tests and ultrasound scan of my chest.

I didn't ask the big question cos I am too fucking freaked out to even face the eventuality.

I'm still even waiting for my MRI request for my pituitary gland that he sent to the MRI clinic. Using the public system it can take up to 6 months to be called for that MRI, it's been 5 months now pretty much...

Apparently it's much more intelligent to scan the pituitary gland before starting testosterone and hydrocortisone treatment for "opiate caused deficiency".

Can Detatestryl speed up cancer or something? I really am trying to keep it cool - taking more benzos than I am scripted per day...it's okay, I got 2 scripts...even though the other is a mere 15 .5mg of xanax every 2 weeks. Breast cancer on men...I've really rolled a shit dice at birth.

edit : turns out it's cysts in english, learn something everyday...

 

[Genetic Freak]

I assume you mean Delatestryl http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/009165s031lbl.pdf

Delatestryl = Testosterone Enanthate 200mg/ml.... In theory once per week shouldn't take you out of therapeutic range, Enanthate has a half-life of about 4-5 days, it is recommended to dose at least equal to a compounds half-life, therefore twice per week might be optimal to avoid peak plasma fluctuations (spikes)... It's these spikes in blood levels that are associated with potential side effects (mainly estrogenic), that you would prefer to avoid.... Doctors all too frequently seem ignorant of this...!!

Unsure if you are already on Delatestryl or enquiring about future protocol..??

As for cysts, they aren't generally an issue, but this needs confirming by a medical professional...

 

[-Guido-]

It sounds like Gynecomastia to me. I wouldn't freak out about cancer.

Also stop injecting subcutaneously. It's causing spikes in plasma levels. Start injecting it like a normal person.

 

[Animal Mother]

I assume you mean Delatestryl http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/009165s031lbl.pdf

Delatestryl = Testosterone Enanthate 200mg/ml.... In theory once per week shouldn't take you out of therapeutic range, Enanthate has a half-life of about 4-5 days, it is recommended to dose at least equal to a compounds half-life, therefore twice per week might be optimal to avoid peak plasma fluctuations (spikes)... It's these spikes in blood levels that are associated with potential side effects (mainly estrogenic), that you would prefer to avoid.... Doctors all too frequently seem ignorant of this...!!

Unsure if you are already on Delatestryl or enquiring about future protocol..??

As for cysts, they aren't generally an issue, but this needs confirming by a medical professional...

I think I'm going to start doing this in the future. Pinning twice a week. One more pin a week isn't a big deal when you're already pinning every day.

So far, I gather the benefits are less sides and better bio availability. Probably improves gains. I'll have to try it and see.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I assume you mean Delatestryl http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2007/009165s031lbl.pdf

Delatestryl = Testosterone Enanthate 200mg/ml.... In theory once per week shouldn't take you out of therapeutic range, Enanthate has a half-life of about 4-5 days, it is recommended to dose at least equal to a compounds half-life, therefore twice per week might be optimal to avoid peak plasma fluctuations (spikes)... It's these spikes in blood levels that are associated with potential side effects (mainly estrogenic), that you would prefer to avoid.... Doctors all too frequently seem ignorant of this...!!

Unsure if you are already on Delatestryl or enquiring about future protocol..??

As for cysts, they aren't generally an issue, but this needs confirming by a medical professional...

Good advice, thank you. I haven't shot in 2 weeks and the cysts are reducing in size. I'll be off that shit until I see my doc again, I don't like how it makes me feel particularly, at least the day of the shot, I feel way too dipping in my own manliness...lol. And GUIDO, lose the obsession, I'm gonna do what my doc tells me regarding this, it's not like with a psychiatrist where I can catch them in their lies so I get what I want with my knowledge of neuropharmacology (did 3/4 of a BS in pharmacology in college before life circumstances fucked the continuing of my studies....I'll get to it this year this autumn...only 3 semesters left, I can do that now..I think, since my benzo dosage is optimal, been months where I feel I get the correct dosage for me not to lose my shit.

The original panic is gone...I'm also continuing to take my hydrocortisone but only in half of what I "should" be taking....I think the methadone's bad effects are gone. Suboxone clearly doesn't mess with my sleep and energy levels like methadone did, but I need blood tests to have the proof of that.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Good advice, thank you. I haven't shot in 2 weeks and the cysts are reducing in size. I'll be off that shit until I see my doc again, I don't like how it makes me feel particularly, at least the day of the shot, I feel way too dipping in my own manliness...lol. And GUIDO, lose the obsession, I'm gonna do what my doc tells me regarding this, it's not like with a psychiatrist where I can catch them in their lies so I get what I want with my knowledge of neuropharmacology (did 3/4 of a BS in pharmacology in college before life circumstances fucked the continuing of my studies....I'll get to it this year this autumn...only 3 semesters left, I can do that now..I think, since my benzo dosage is optimal, been months where I feel I get the correct dosage for me not to lose my shit.

The original panic is gone...I'm also continuing to take my hydrocortisone but only in half of what I "should" be taking....I think the methadone's bad effects are gone. Suboxone clearly doesn't mess with my sleep and energy levels like methadone did, but I need blood tests to have the proof of that.

The cysts may have been the result of the fast spike in blood plasma levels of testosterone converting to estrogen via aromatase due to injecting too higher dose at too long spacing apart... Every 3-4 days with lower dose should create more stable blood levels...

 

[-Guido-]

Good advice, thank you. I haven't shot in 2 weeks and the cysts are reducing in size. I'll be off that shit until I see my doc again, I don't like how it makes me feel particularly, at least the day of the shot, I feel way too dipping in my own manliness...lol. And GUIDO, lose the obsession, I'm gonna do what my doc tells me regarding this, it's not like with a psychiatrist where I can catch them in their lies so I get what I want with my knowledge of neuropharmacology (did 3/4 of a BS in pharmacology in college before life circumstances fucked the continuing of my studies....I'll get to it this year this autumn...only 3 semesters left, I can do that now..I think, since my benzo dosage is optimal, been months where I feel I get the correct dosage for me not to lose my shit.

The original panic is gone...I'm also continuing to take my hydrocortisone but only in half of what I "should" be taking....I think the methadone's bad effects are gone. Suboxone clearly doesn't mess with my sleep and energy levels like methadone did, but I need blood tests to have the proof of that.

It isn't obsession. It's calling out your doctors idiocy. Subcutaneous injections of compounds suspended in oil is quackery at it's finest.

Lastly, they aren't cysts. Since they anomaly has started reducing in size upon ceasing the Testosterone injections we can rule out cysts and conclude it's an acute and minor case of gyno. It's benign enlargement of breast tissue. Usually everyone who uses Testosterone or steroids that aromitize has dealt with it. Luckily you caught it early, there are a lot of people out there who have no common sense and will let the gyno turn into full blown titties, which at that point surgery is the only option.

 

[MrSpeedyG]

It isn't obsession. It's calling out your doctors idiocy. Subcutaneous injections of compounds suspended in oil is quackery at it's finest.

Lastly, they aren't cysts. Since they anomaly has started reducing in size upon ceasing the Testosterone injections we can rule out cysts and conclude it's an acute and minor case of gyno. It's benign enlargement of breast tissue. Usually everyone who uses Testosterone or steroids that aromitize has dealt with it. Luckily you caught it early, there are a lot of people out there who have no common sense and will let the gyno turn into full blown titties, which at that point surgery is the only option.

To the OP, you're an idiot and so is your doctor.

You don't have cysts, you have early stage gyno. Find a doctor that knows what they are talking about when it comes to TRT/do some research on TRT and explain it to your doctor.

You obviously don't even had bloods to see where your at. Split that 200mg E7D to say 100mg every 4-5 days at most for enanthate and get your total test, free test and estradiol checked. Your doctor should prescribe you an aromatase inhibitor if needed.

 

[-Guido-]

Aye. His dose should be split to 100mg every five days with intramuscular injections for proper absorption and more stable plasma levels. Sometimes dosing once a week with Test E doesn't work for some, some people need to dose twice a week. Next an AI such as Exemestane should be prescribed, anywhere from 15mg-25mg EOD.

And for the record bro, every male experiences some breast tissue growth. It usually occurs around puberty and then vanishes and comes back later in life as Testosterone levels drop and body fat levels increase. Some males end up with growth during puberty that doesn't go away, which was what happened to me. I had slight lumps under my nipples until about the time I started steroids. The steroids caused the lumps to flare up in size but a high dose of Letrozole got rid of them. As long as you catch it early, control it, reverse it, and then stay vigilant you can avoid any disfigurement in your chest and you can avoid having surgery.

But seriously find a doctor that knows what the deal is because quite frankly, the average doctor knows shit about steroids. I'd take hormone advice from intelligent and knowledgeable bodybuilders over hormone advice from a doctor. Luckily the doctor I go to is on TRT himself and has a son that uses steroids.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I'm not there to bodybuild, the idea is laughable to me. The doc I see is for this was referred to me by my GP, he's a Men's Health specialist. I don't need the testosterone anymore, I fare well without it without falling down to how it was on methadone, been long enough on suboxone now that those levels are now normal, around 530 and I still take oral hydrocortisone for a little while but i'm surely not gonna take the 30mg a day that i'm prescribed, 15 is just perfect. And those painful cysts due that crap are now almost gone, totally. I wake up with full boners again, that's the sign I was waiting for to confirm I was a man again, the blood tests just solidified it all.

Goodbye :D

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

To the OP, you're an idiot and so is your doctor.

You don't have cysts, you have early stage gyno. Find a doctor that knows what they are talking about when it comes to TRT/do some research on TRT and explain it to your doctor.

You obviously don't even had bloods to see where your at. Split that 200mg E7D to say 100mg every 4-5 days at most for enanthate and get your total test, free test and estradiol checked. Your doctor should prescribe you an aromatase inhibitor if needed.

I had about 7 blood tests related to that, first the one suspecting low test/cortisol, where I knew where I was at, and the other 6 times too. This place is all kinds of mad, lol.

 

[-Guido-]

I'm not there to bodybuild, the idea is laughable to me. The doc I see is for this was referred to me by my GP, he's a Men's Health specialist. I don't need the testosterone anymore, I fare well without it without falling down to how it was on methadone, been long enough on suboxone now that those levels are now normal, around 530 and I still take oral hydrocortisone for a little while but i'm surely not gonna take the 30mg a day that i'm prescribed, 15 is just perfect. And those painful cysts due that crap are now almost gone, totally. I wake up with full boners again, that's the sign I was waiting for to confirm I was a man again, the blood tests just solidified it all.

Goodbye :D

Your not going to know how your Testosterone levels really are until the Testosterone Etanthate clears out of your system totally. Switching from Methadone to Suboxone doesn't fix Testosterone levels. The Suboxone and the Benzodiazapines you are on lower Testosterone production and you were on opiates for years to boot; The damage has been done already and unfortunately, it can't be reversed, only remedied with exogenous Testosterone. You might have boners now, but in a few weeks you are going to experience sexual dysfunction, lethargy, and depression. You just can't stop taking Testosterone and expect everything to be normal again. I really think you should reconsider your choice of getting off the stuff. I think getting off the Testosterone could be detrimental to your physical and mental health. You can always buy an AI from elsewhere without a prescription as well as Nolvadex (a SERM) which binds to receptors in the breast area, stopping any estrogen from binding to them.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Been 2+ weeks I used delatestryl now..I think we can assume i'm clear from it, and the tests were from 2 days after my last shot, yes there is that. I was diagnosed by Opiate CAUSED hypogonadism and low cortisol levels. Apparently methadone is that bad on hormones, no opiates were being bad, and since years I take about 2 appointments with my regular GP to have blood tests done since hell, since i'm semi-autonomous from my parents, when I left to a faraway college a long time ago. Being a bit of a hypochondriac is a blessing sometimes, I found out what was wrong with me and it turned out I was okay too, because all men entering their early 30's should have test levels tested for. The lack of cortisol was hurting my abilities much more than the lack of test too. When I was lacking both, I could still perform sexually and have sex in mind and have it for long enough. It's just cool to feel the age I should feel like and a bit younger even than feeling 70 years old when I decided to have methadone switched and that whole healing process.

So no, no permanent damage here. The opiates did it, even the curve I was shown of my test blood levels (all 7 of them) seems to indicate that injections past about 3-3 months 1/2 didn't continue to raise levels, but kept them around 500-530ug. It was like 61ug when the blood test that made my GP react and fast happened.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Been 2+ weeks I used delatestryl now..I think we can assume i'm clear from it, and the tests were from 2 days after my last shot,

So no, no permanent damage here. The opiates did it, even the curve I was shown of my test blood levels (all 7 of them) seems to indicate that injections past about 3-3 months 1/2 didn't continue to raise levels, but kept them around 500-530ug. It was like 61ug when the blood test that made my GP react and fast happened.

The last shot of 200mg wont have totally cleared your system at 2+ weeks, there will still be some residual testosterone in your blood stream...

The test taken 2 days after your last shot should show blood plasma testosterone levels peaking , therefore any blood test taken at this time wont truly reflect what your levels are from now on...

I believe in the next few weeks you could experience symptoms of low testosterone... As per what Guido stated you may have to approach your GP with the view to permanent TRT...

Please keep us informed on your future progress...

 

[MrSpeedyG]

Lol the arogance and ignorance is fucking high.

x2 on all of Guidos posts.

Opiate induced androgen deficiency if its that bad requires you to go on TRT. You feel great now because your testosterone levels have obviously been far to high...250mg per week myself gets me to over double the top of the ref range, 2200+ ng/dl and 200mg is just shy of that and per week is a fairly high TRT dose for most... and you have fallen into your sweet spot as testosterone levels drop from physiological to within range... give it a few more days and you'll be back to low T again.

Comming off TRT requires a PCT and as such you will be shutdown. Not only that but even if you did recover, it would be low either way due to the opiate induced low T.

Like I said, find a doctor who knows what they are dealing with when it comes to TRT.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Opiate induced androgen deficiency if its that bad requires you to go on TRT. You feel great now because your testosterone levels have obviously been far to high...250mg per week myself gets me to over double the top of the ref range, 2200+ ng/dl and 200mg is just shy of that and per week is a fairly high TRT dose for most... and you have fallen into your sweet spot as testosterone levels drop from physiological to within range... give it a few more days and you'll be back to low T again.

Comming off TRT requires a PCT and as such you will be shutdown. Not only that but even if you did recover, it would be low either way due to the opiate induced low T.

Like I said, find a doctor who knows what they are dealing with when it comes to TRT.

I thought TRT was for life..?

250mg/week giving you 2200+ng/dl..... That's interesting..!! I've just read 500mg/week is supposed to show as 2000-2200ng/dl.....????

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Lol the arogance and ignorance is fucking high.

x2 on all of Guidos posts.

Opiate induced androgen deficiency if its that bad requires you to go on TRT. You feel great now because your testosterone levels have obviously been far to high...250mg per week myself gets me to over double the top of the ref range, 2200+ ng/dl and 200mg is just shy of that and per week is a fairly high TRT dose for most... and you have fallen into your sweet spot as testosterone levels drop from physiological to within range... give it a few more days and you'll be back to low T again.

Comming off TRT requires a PCT and as such you will be shutdown. Not only that but even if you did recover, it would be low either way due to the opiate induced low T.

Like I said, find a doctor who knows what they are dealing with when it comes to TRT.

Do I really need to find all the studies showing bupe does not reduce testosterone levels the way methadone and other full agonists do ? There's a lot from good sources out there, I even brought the study I had found from the Sigmund Freud University in germany which was the most complete proof that bupe is this way. The coolest and smartest doc at the sub/meth clinic told me every patient he has seen need testosterone and a switch ended up not needing testosterone anymore or maybe just in smaller quantities, which would mean the Men's Health doc would switch me to the cream since it has less B/A and that my system has recovered, not totally but close enough to warrant stopping the injections. In all honesty, I am much more concerned by the MRI of my pituitary gland (which has yet to have been done...fucking public system....been 5 months now, and even though that MRI should have been done before any treatment started, docs couldn't just leave me this way). If I have cancer of the pituitary gland....and not anywhere else...I'll try to stay positive and take it asa vacation. A vacation full of opis but then suckage since after removing that gland, i'll have to indeed shoot testosterone and take high dosage of hydrocortisone or I will die.

No offense MrSpeedyG, you just sounded all kinds of mad, which I expect from people who abuse steroids but hey, nobody's perfect around these parts

 

[MrSpeedyG]

Haha sorry Oblivion, my bad %)

Even if bupe doesn't affect test levels like other opiates, I assume you were on bupe due to opiate abuse... it was the opiate abuse that caused the low test, not the bupe.

People who come off opiates and still "need a small amount of test", means they need TRT.

Well you can come off TRT, but it isn't for the short-term, it is a long term permanent commitment. You can always come off, but the longer you have been shutdown the harder it is to come back.

 

[-Guido-]

Do I really need to find all the studies showing bupe does not reduce testosterone levels the way methadone and other full agonists do ? There's a lot from good sources out there, I even brought the study I had found from the Sigmund Freud University in germany which was the most complete proof that bupe is this way. The coolest and smartest doc at the sub/meth clinic told me every patient he has seen need testosterone and a switch ended up not needing testosterone anymore or maybe just in smaller quantities, which would mean the Men's Health doc would switch me to the cream since it has less B/A and that my system has recovered, not totally but close enough to warrant stopping the injections. In all honesty, I am much more concerned by the MRI of my pituitary gland (which has yet to have been done...fucking public system....been 5 months now, and even though that MRI should have been done before any treatment started, docs couldn't just leave me this way). If I have cancer of the pituitary gland....and not anywhere else...I'll try to stay positive and take it asa vacation. A vacation full of opis but then suckage since after removing that gland, i'll have to indeed shoot testosterone and take high dosage of hydrocortisone or I will die.

No offense MrSpeedyG, you just sounded all kinds of mad, which I expect from people who abuse steroids but hey, nobody's perfect around these parts

Countless people on Buprenorphine go to the doctors with symptoms that result in the diagnosis of low Testosterone. It still causes significant thyroid dysfunction and low testosterone, although like you said, not as much as Methadone or other opiods do. Nonetheless, put yourself on Bupe for a while, toss in some benzos, and factor in years of prior narcotic abuse, and your Testosterone levels are fucked bro.

Honestly bro, your system has not recovered yet. You still have Testosterone E in your system so you can't even make that call. Furthermore you don't recover from low Testosterone bro after years of drug abuse, you either deal with it or you get rid of it with exogenous Testosterone. It can improve with time, but if your still using benzos and are on Bupe, it isn't. Switching to Testosterone cream is a horrible idea if Testosterone E gave you problems with gyno because Testosterone cream is notorious for aromatizing into estrogen. Because of that gyno, mood swings, bloating, and sexual dysfunction are to be expected from the stuff. Hell, people who never got side effects from Testosterone injections suffered side effects from the cream.

Nobody here abuses steroids, and nor do I. I advocate responsible usage as does this forum and proper bodybuilders. You also can't assume that anyone on steroids is angry all the time, just like you can't assume every person who has used a needle is an AIDS infected filthbag, or every opiate addict or recovering opiate addict is a thieving fuck that will suck dick for pills.

 

[Genetic Freak]

. Subcutaneous injections of compounds suspended in oil is quackery at it's finest.
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Hi Guido.. would you care to elaborate pls... I've heard of Sub-Q being used to apply steroid hormones on other boards, mainly as part of TRT due to the relatively small dosages required...

There is some debate on whether injecting oil into fatty tissue as opposed to muscle may effect absorption speed, bio-availability... Or have influence on aromatization/E2 elevation..?

Your thoughts pls..!!