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Kundalini Awakening - "You can't force a seed to sprout"

Thanks dude.
You know something? I really hope I AM WRONG. That would be the best case scenario, IMO.
I'd really like to be wrong about this one. I wish I could believe I was wrong. lol

But then again, who the hell knows what's really going on.
I understand quite well we don't know for sure.
It's all speculation.. but sure makes me think.
 
I've had kundalini rising since I was a kid. The only thing that has changed is the intensity as I've gotten older and sorted out a lot of my shit and my understandings of things. Psychedelics brought attention to the many areas that needed help and just how far I've yet to go. Just because the pathway upward isn't totally clear doesn't mean you can't do it. Some people have past life knowledge and skills that have carried over to this one. Some people are born with the channel at least partly open, and with refinement it can become stronger. I didn't even know I was having kundalini when I was 6 years old, I just thought it was something amazing that happened where I was no longer me anymore and God was talking to me.

Saying there is only one way to achieve kundalini is the same as saying there is only one way to achieve enlightenment. The truth is that there are many ways. People have become enlightened across many diverse life circumstances. You have the tools to your elevation right where you are. There is no "right way" and the proof is in the results.

If you use the yogic schools to achieve kundalini, many of them will hold back knowledge from you until they feel you are ready to go the next step. For instance, the 7 chakra system is very basic. There are other chakras along the way, such as the antakharana, or the Llana chakra. These are considered "secret chakras" that the masters won't tell their students about until they feel that the students have gotten to the adequate level.

Yet in the western world, we have people doing things like ayahuasca, LSD, and other strong psychedelics in order to discover these chakras and upper realms for themselves. Some people want or need the middle man to tell them what to do. Others instinctively seem to follow a path that leads them to the answers.

tl;dr version: you can't force a seed to sprout, but if it is sprouting then the time is right, and the time is now.
 
^what do you mean by sense though? I think sense as in something that gathers information from the world around us. For example, you hear vibrations with your ear. It's like raw input that is read by something, like a computer scanner or mouse. Balance isn't taking in any information, it is the brain using information from the senses (touch) to perform a certain task (balancing weight).

It's taking in information, in the form of force(which causes muscles to undergo a change in either their length or their tension), resulting from the acceleration of a mass (your body) due to gravity, following in line with f=m*a. Of course, as mentioned, is also the change in the position of a fluid in your inner ear. But that is still a force acting on an object (anything which is meaningfully a thing has mass anyway, including energy) since, of course, an object at rest will remain at rest until acted upon by a force. (i.e. a force causes the liquid in your inner ear to move) Both phenomena meet the criteria of physical information.

I had a prof who would talk about how a bat perceives the world entirely through sound and has a completely different interpretation of reality than humans do, sonic vs visual. It seems that our senses shape our interpretation of the world.

I disagree. I can use different techniques to examine some given object. Say for the sake of argument, absorption photospectroscopy vs neutron activation. I can still come to interpret the results such that I conclude the same information about that object (in this case, what are the elements and isotopes thereof that this object is composed of)

Well there's the vestibular system..

But like I said it's really not important to differentiate. There aren't really separate things that sense, since the very fact they sense means they're not separate things. It's all connected, it's one integrated process of sensing.

But they are not. The sensing of changes in muscle length/tension is called the stretch reflex, it works in animals that have had their higher brain severed completely from the brain-stem. It's not a concious thing you can subjectively sense. Nor is the sense of PH of cerebrospinal fluid that serves as a proxy for blood oxygen vis a vis carbon dioxide dissolving into carbonic acid. You can't access that information directly. (and your body can be fooled by an environment lacking carbon dioxide that can cause you to asphyxiate without air-hunger) Can you sense blood sugar levels? If so, I guess diabetics would not need a glucose meter. Your body can sense it, but it's not directly available to your concious self. My point is not all senses integrate to the same place.

"IF you don't want anything it cannot be done. It's not possible"

So, this one time I was driving my motorcycle in the middle of nowhere right? And the gas light came on, saying I was low on gas. There was nowhere to fill it up. I REALLY did not want my motorcycle to start sputtering and finally stall out, leaving me stuck walking to find a service station. But guess what! It sure as hell started sputtering and finally did stall. Despite my not wanting it, it was empirically observed to be possible.
 
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I disagree. I can use different techniques to examine some given object. Say for the sake of argument, absorption photospectroscopy vs neutron activation. I can still come to interpret the results such that I conclude the same information about that object (in this case, what are the elements and isotopes thereof that this object is composed of)

i don't quite understand your example but my point was that bats and humans sense the same information but internally have a different view/sense of this information. A bat would perceive the same world as a human would. The bat vs human is like using two different techniques to examine the same object. I think the discussion came up when we were reading Kant and discussing the categories of understanding. So same objective world, much different subjective views of that world.
 
My example, briefly: The absorption photospectroscopy involves shining a beam of light (or xrays or microwaves) into a sample of the object, and finding how much of what frequencies are absorbed, and plotted on a line curve. Each type of molecule/atom absorbs uniquely, and from that, one can determine what it's made out of. Neutron activation involves bombarding it with neutrons (typically in a nuclear reactor) for some period of time at a given flux. Then you take it out, and examine it by measuring how radioactive it is, and what specific types and energy levels of radiation are emitted by it in what quantities. Each type of of atom has a specific chance of capturing a neutron, and being transmuted into some other element/isotope, which then decays with specific modes and energy levels of radiation. From that, you determine what it was made out of. Very different modalities of analysis, yet I can interpret them to give me the same OBJECTIVE information about the thing I examined. It does not give me a different view or sense or perception of the same information, it gives me the same. (That is, the world as it actually is)
 
That's because you viewed it through the same eyes.
Now show it to a bat and ask him what he sees and see if you don't get a bunch of hypersonic chirps in return.

Thanks for being mature. =)

So, this one time I was driving my motorcycle in the middle of nowhere right? And the gas light came on, saying I was low on gas. There was nowhere to fill it up. I REALLY did not want my motorcycle to start sputtering and finally stall out, leaving me stuck walking to find a service station. But guess what! It sure as hell started sputtering and finally did stall. Despite my not wanting it, it was empirically observed to be possible.

But you forgot to fill the tank before your trip!
You may have not run out of gas then. lol. You also had warning?!
Maybe you could have bummed some gas? Before running out?
j/k


People are allowed to disagree with me.
In fact I welcome it. Lots more positive when they do so freindly-like and maturely.
I don't see room for attacks in such conversations that go this deep.


To me, this is "The Subject" to be interested in and keep our eyes on, very very closely.
that's all I really ask, is that the subject is thought of.

Thinking is a wonderful thing.

To be honest,
I don't know if my kundalini was pried open, or if it had been working up to it my whole life and then I found MXE and it BLEW OPEN.

I don't know why shrooms didn't do it all those times before or LSD or my overdose on Datura 15 years ago when I saw all those white spirits banging on my room trying to get in at me through the sliding glass door. Maybe I remember thinking openly on LSD a few times when I was younger but not quite like this.

One thing I did state, is that is perfectly possible the CIA or whoever could put nanomachines into these powders that we sniff.. and subsequently crawl around inside of us doing "things" we have no idea about. lol

Of course, that's just an idea. It doesn't need to be exacerbated...-much.
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this is very possible.
If we can manipulate the internals of a microchip, surely we could build nanoscopic bots to modify your internals one cell at a time.*trying to find logical ways to explain what may or may not be happening to some of us on some of these powders*

"What if" we sniffed a line full of nanobots right to the head? What is the possibility of these things? I suppose I'm just trying to get us to think, logically or illogically.

The problem with this, to me, is then.... what about the guy who fell off his motorcycle and had the same visions I did on MXE. He claims he can now travel astrally at will. In that sense, he got further than me sans drugs. No matter how many times I tell my Kundalini to open again, without drugs, I just don't get it. I'm not able to use it at will.
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Meditation does not seem to open my Kundalini (yet).
However, I have seemingly seen some very interesting fractals while meditating.
I have no way of knowing if that is normal or not now that I've done a bunch of weird drugs.
I never tried to meditate before using drugs many years ago.
 
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Hmm, so what you said about the same eyes. Well, I know this guy who uses the same lab as me. Now, he's blind you see (pun intended) So, he does his work by voice to text, listening to the results and dictates his analysis back in etc. His work and mine don't differ in content.

So for the lulz, I just took a file of mine and had it play out over voice to text. Yes,it sounds like Steven hawking talking,and it was little more difficult for to me follow (mainly because mathematical notation is cumbersome when spoken aloud) But listening it spoken out did not change my view of it.

Just something to think about, that it can be the case that many ways of looking at something can still be equivalent.
 
Thanks, rangrz. I think I see what you mean.
The glass will still be half full (or empty!) weather it's perceived sonically or with sight. It's still there. I could also be way off.. some of this is a bit tricky to follow!

On another note, while looking back at this thread some..
It took me a bit to answer this question.. I had to think on this one some. I'm doing my best not to leave anyone out, even if they mock me.
Maybe they use MXE like we use rat poison; and maybe you are encouraging other people towards insanity, and premature death.

If I would have stopped the MXE and controlled myself,
I'd have shown no further side effects after the eye opening event. I'm sure.
In that sense, the MXE wasn't Rat Poison, yet. When I became addicted to it and couldn't control myself, then it was rat poison. In that sense, it's my fault. Nobody else. Then I continued with the bath salts like a fuckin' idiot. My own fault.
If anything, the bath salts are more like rat poison than the MXE was I had originally.
But to be honest, they both caused major symptoms and side effects in me when abused.

I also caught you with your pants down.. using the term "they". That means you believe something is going on here.
Just what you believe, I'm still probing you for. ;)
hehehe

We gonna get to the bottom of something eventually. Possibly. Or possibly not. =P

If I encouraged anyone to do anything, it was eat lots of shrooms.
I think it's possible maybe I had a bit of kundalini on shrooms after my experience on MXE that straight told me it was third eye vision. I was like, uh... wow! Ok!

Thanks also for your contribution.
I'm, sure I'll be reading over it a few more times before all is said and done.

One thing I wanted to add about what you said is..
I believe it's commonly accepted in the USA culture I live in that psychedallics can "open doors". I believe common culture here doesn't realize exactly what "doors" those are.
They don't realize what they are playing with.

I believe this "door", or one of these doors, is the kundalini.

These conversations are great for piecing things like this together.
 
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I've had kundalini rising since I was a kid. The only thing that has changed is the intensity as I've gotten older and sorted out a lot of my shit and my understandings of things. Psychedelics brought attention to the many areas that needed help and just how far I've yet to go. Just because the pathway upward isn't totally clear doesn't mean you can't do it. Some people have past life knowledge and skills that have carried over to this one. Some people are born with the channel at least partly open, and with refinement it can become stronger. I didn't even know I was having kundalini when I was 6 years old, I just thought it was something amazing that happened where I was no longer me anymore and God was talking to me.

Saying there is only one way to achieve kundalini is the same as saying there is only one way to achieve enlightenment. The truth is that there are many ways. People have become enlightened across many diverse life circumstances. You have the tools to your elevation right where you are. There is no "right way" and the proof is in the results.

If you use the yogic schools to achieve kundalini, many of them will hold back knowledge from you until they feel you are ready to go the next step. For instance, the 7 chakra system is very basic. There are other chakras along the way, such as the antakharana, or the Llana chakra. These are considered "secret chakras" that the masters won't tell their students about until they feel that the students have gotten to the adequate level.

Yet in the western world, we have people doing things like ayahuasca, LSD, and other strong psychedelics in order to discover these chakras and upper realms for themselves. Some people want or need the middle man to tell them what to do. Others instinctively seem to follow a path that leads them to the answers.

tl;dr version: you can't force a seed to sprout, but if it is sprouting then the time is right, and the time is now.

I feel I've been "open" since the day I was born. I've always, always, always, felt basically the same as I do right now. Bored with the world as presented to me, feeling there is something so much more.

I remember about 8 years ago, took some mushrooms. Felt it start deep in my gut, rise, with the most intense pleasure imagineable, slowly up my spine. I felt it begin to fill my brain, until it was completely full and resonating with the most intensely bright/pure light imagineable. That night I had intense visions of a native american society, and how they were "right". I then flipped to a futuristic world, and got nothing but negative feelings from it. I had been desperately searching through all of academic psychology for an answer up til this point. I "realized" I was NOT "add, bipolar" etc etc. There was just something with the world I was told to fit into, and that I was allready made perfectly.

I had a most intense trip once. The MOST terrifying one I've ever had. I KNEW I was God, KNEW I had attained enlightment. I had the most fucked, intense, vision of rapidly flipping back and forth between a super spy (trapped in quite a precarious and deadly situation) and myself, with the clock counting down, EVERYTHING in me screaming I need to wake up before my spy self died. I almost lost my mind that night. I ended up hurting myself quite badly phsyically in an attempt to 'wake up' to whatever I was supposed to be waking up to. I mean, I KNEW I had to DIE to wake up from the dream I was in. As the morning light began to pour into my bedroom, I KNEW I was saved. I had the most intense feeling, that if the light would just fully emerge, I would be saved. It was so shining and radiant, and again, I KNEW I was God. I could do whatever I wanted.

Unfortunatly, I was interpreting all that literally. This shortly led to me jumping out a second floor window and suffering some broken parts of me. I just remember being so sure I had to die to wake up from the nightmare (very true, just not literally), and that the light seemed so inviting. Breaking out half my window panes, and jumping out my window directly into the light seemed like a steallar idea. Looking back now, I see what I should have seen, and feel so much sorrow for how confused I was at that point. I actually posted a TR of this experience a while back under a different name. I'm not linking to it, if you find it you'll know. The way I view it now though, I am no longer ashamed. It is, in retrospect, a beautiful experience I can only use to further good and beauty in this world.

When applied to my true self, it is the most straightforward thing I can imagine. I now sit and laugh with joy at what was shown me. The pain I've dealt with in the interim is nothing, just a blip of existense. Having nightmarish visions that make you think you're insane, turn into the most sensible and direct truths you've ever known is quite a liberating experience.

It is funny though. Maybe not even two weeks previous, I had the most beautiful experience. I thought I had fucked up my dose, and was going to redose, then something told me jsut to let what will be, BE. Almost immediatly, pleasures upon pleasures began multiplying in my body. This increased until my body felt like nothing but illuminated, brilliant whitelight. I felt it radiating from every single pore in my body. My head so free and clear, that in and of itself was most pleasureable. The white light and peace that filled me was just icing on top.

I became a few different people,and felt their emotions fully. Some I knew, some I didn't. All helped me to understand more how I should treat people, by feeling the effects of my treatment. It was the most beautiful and moving experience, where I just KNEW I had all the answers. When it was recediing, I felt the familiar pressure take hold of my head, and though, "you have known for years meditation and yoga will help clear this from you, DO IT NOW" Good ole chakra blockage... you fucker!

Now two weeks after this, I feel I still need MORE. Show me MORE, Let me figure it out. Be careful what you wish for, you might be shown more than you can understand. In my case, it made me jump out of a window in an effort to acheive the "death to self" one needs to master their true self.

I wish there would have been someone to explain exactly what that meant to me years ago. I could have been saved so much heartache and struggle.

So many things have been fitting together for me recently. I've come to realize I had these experiences so I could truly LEARN them, feel the hopelessness and pain. Now, I am more able to help others, understand their pain, see what they are going through. I feel like it's my purpose in life to live every day in an attempt to more fully awaken myself. By doing this, I should dedicate my life to helping others as well, most specifically with this problem. I see how much better my life would have been had I had someone to tell me exactly what was going on. I want to be that person in other's life. This should be ALL our goals.

It took so long to realize exactly what I was awakening to though. The serpent within us all. Life is so beautiful, once you realize the purpose.

Also, there is a lot of disinformation out there. It is hard to disseminate. Just remember what you know, and who showed it to you, YOU did, your SELF did. ANYTHING you are told that goes against that can simply not be true.

Happy living :-)
 
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While I acknowledge the role psychedelics can play in the awakening of kundalini, we cannot host every thread here that may remotely have something to do with it. Not even if discussion of a subject originates in a PD thread.

So moving this over PD >> P&S
 
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Trying can hardly ever be the problem. Whatever this thread pertains to, sitting trying every day will likely lead to something desired. You do not get something for/from nothing. Perhaps Eyes Wide Open you should come to desire your time spent sitting.
 
Well shit, I'm far too lazy to actually read this thread specifically to find a hole to twist in what I said earlier, in an attempt to make what I said valid. Alas I'll try anyway:
"Desire your present circumstance, yada, yada, yada...Something Zen motorcycles"*? :D
 
Tonight, I did it. The tremors are the energy. Focus them. practice letting go. Acceptance. Always. Big as the universe small as an atom. 30 mg MXE I.M. Allows for deep relaxation. Like a massage. An overworked pleb gets the deep relaxation required to move the energies around via anesthetic

Divine handshake much respect
 
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At risk of heading O/T in the MXE B&D..

What do you guys think of this.
Can you force the Kundalini?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LmJ6HH0i9EM

Listen to the other things she says. "And she "knows" all about".
"IF you don't want anything it cannot be done. It's not possible"
"Can you force a seed to sprout?"
"If it is not ready to sprout it won't sprout"

I can think of some seeds here that aren't ready. I can think of some that are.

"Every thought in the mind is a planted seed" -Beastie Boys

I have used the word forced when speaking of my apotheosis.

I see it more as pushing the seed towards water where it can drink and start to grow.

Jesus said to seek God. If you want apotheosis you will have to seek hard.

This thinking is the Gnostic Christian’s goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded


This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethrento Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

Regards
DL

 
I don't have any kind of control of it. It's running wild in me, but it's present. It's part of what makes me manic.
 
when you are ready to awake you will awake; it has all been predetermined before your birth into this body...

if you want to experience a full awakening take a massive dose of DMT with the right intention and god may bless you lol
 
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