Misc Kratom

[heyian2222]

Hey guys i just ordered 122 grams of powdered leaves of Kratom. I am hoping to try and use it to help out with getting off heroin. Can you guys give me some tips maybe some experiences with it? Maybe a tapering plan? I use anywhere from 0.2-0.7 grams of heroin a day (All depends on how much cash i can scrounge up for that day) to stay well. I did some research on it and saw alot of positive things about it. I wouldn't even mind just ordering a months supply of Kratom every month and just living with that for the rest of my life. its better than shooting heroin everyday. Here's the place where i bought it from...snip - leftwing I'm not sure if its against the rules to post that so mods if it is then just edit it out of my post. i just wanted to give people a general idea of the quality of product i was buying. I'm in the U.S (CA) so its all completely legal here. Any feedback on this subject is greatly appreciated thanks guys.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Tapering Plan Megathread - community project is a threa to help out with tapering plans which i may merge this into soon pending responses in here,

Utilising Kratom for Opiate Withdrawal

Kratom for Opiate Tapering - Questions

 

[Phoenix_rising]

Kratom will definitely help you get off the smack,but without a contingency plan you`ll just be swapping one addiction for another.If i had to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea it would have to be Kratom though,it`s so much more healthier than shooting smack.

You will need a lot of Kratom to get off the smack bro,so snip - leftwing isn`t the best place to buy as you will need to budget and they aint the best for buck,and also the Kratom isn`t of the best quality.

Best of luck to you in making your transition.

 

[Doco]

I have spent the last several weeks tapering off Poppy Pods, using some benzos, and for the past few days drinking Kratom tea. For me it's a total blessing.

Today is the 3nd complete day of no other drugs beyond the Kratom (and a little weed) and although I am a little uncomfortable it is not at all like normal WDs with no flu-like symptoms etc. - the very best part is it almost eliminates my RLS and crazy muscle cramping. Although I completely recognize that my habit was no burner by any stretch, the Kratom definitely helped to the point where I could do it instead of just cave in and score again. But like I said, I absolutely had to taper first. I can't imagine it doing much for a full on burner.

The worst part for me was just thinking about doing it - spent a month or two fooling myself until I got serious and started in on tapering.

 

[DiscoTex]

Kratom is wonderful for getting off opiates. As a replacement addiction it's pretty awful.

A tablespoon is a good starting point for a dose. If that doesn't work you can try 2 tablespoons and so on. However, try and keep the dose as low as you can. Just put in warm water stir and choke it down. Do this as needed for WD. Kratom has a short half life and its relief will probably subside after 6-8 hours from injestion. Try not to drink more than 3 doses a day. If you were opiate naive or had been off opiates for a few weeks you might get a nice buzz, however coming from a stronger opiate like H it's extremely unlikely you'll get any euphoria. The relief from WD will probably feel better though. After 12 days it will be safe to assume your body is over the H and you can begin WDing off Kratom. You will suffer some WD from the kratom, it's an opiate and it's addictive, but it's a much milder WD and it's shorter by days in duration. All the normal stuff will help as well (Thomas Recipe, Immodium AD, Benzos, hot baths and exercise.

Don't waste money on fancy premium powder or extracts. The basic stuff should do the trick.

Kratom tastes awful and it's euphoric effects are too mild to really justify a physical addiction. Get off it as fast as you can.

Cut your daily dose in 1/2 every 3 days until you are down to one 1/2 tablespoon a day and then draw a line in the sand.

 

[Doco]

Any guesstimates about how long it takes to develop an addiction to Kratom with daily use?

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^you're already dependent on opioids and kratom works on the same receptors that other opioids do.

 

[Lysis]

I'm a non-opiate user, but I love kratom. I use about 6-7g per day. I've done up to 10g, but any higher and I feel incredibly nauseous. Again, though, I'm not an opiate user, so maybe that is too little for some more hardcore users.

One thing I really like about it is that I can focus and wake up. I can study incredibly well on it. I read that it works as a stimulant in low doses, so I suppose my dose is considered low.

 

[haden]

I'm a non-opiate user, but I love kratom. I use about 6-7g per day. I've done up to 10g, but any higher and I feel incredibly nauseous. Again, though, I'm not an opiate user, so maybe that is too little for some more hardcore users.

One thing I really like about it is that I can focus and wake up. I can study incredibly well on it. I read that it works as a stimulant in low doses, so I suppose my dose is considered low.

If you are taking 6-7 grams of kratom a day, I wouln't go as far as to say that you are a "non-opiate user"...

 

[Apostacious]

I have been able to get away with using 18 grams a day for several months with breaks here and there without much, if any withdrawal. The key is to never dose more than once in a 24 hour period.

 

[basario]

For me the kratom high isnt quite the same as I get with oxy, but its pretty close that it is an ideal subsitute or replacement for harder opiates. idk if its just me but I seem to have to take a lot of kratom to feel good, like 16-20g but I only need 50g of oxy (i say only bc i know ppl have multiple 80s a day habits) and ive seen ppl suggesting really small doses. maybe i just have a really high tolerance to kratom chemicals.
but at any rate i think kratom is a miracle and ive heard its being researched as a replacement for methadone in some clinics

in terms of addiction ive been using kratom (when i dont have oxys) 3-4 times a week for a almost 6 months and wouldnt say im addicted, not as bad as i would be if id being using the same amount of oc.
as far as tolerance, i started off high to begin with, so in 6 months ive gone from maybe 12g to 18g which is really nothing compared to oc

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^I assume you mean 50mg of oxy seeing as how you're still alive, but as far as equipotency goes, I would say (depending on the strength of the kratom you get) that 16-20g is relatively comparable to 50mg of oxy, if not weaker actually.

 

[Lysis]

If you are taking 6-7 grams of kratom a day, I wouln't go as far as to say that you are a "non-opiate user"...

ha! Fair enough. I was trying to convey that what is strong to me might be considered crap to a more hardcore user who is trying to use it as a way to keep the withrawals at bay.

 

[Doco]

^you're already dependent on opioids and kratom works on the same receptors that other opioids do.

Oops, guess I didnt understand that. I figured since it was not technically an opioid, it was just a good way to detox. I wondered why I was waking up with wd symptoms again.

I've been off the PPT about a week or so now I need to wean off the Kratom too. Might as well start today - I'll lower my dose by 1gm every couple days till I can just take the jump.

Thanks for the info!!

 

[Pegasus]

I don't see how anyone can stomach more than maybe 9 grams of kratom... I take 8g of bali kratom usually and it gives me effects around maybe 20mg oxycodone orally...

 

[Pegasus]

^you're already dependent on opioids and kratom works on the same receptors that other opioids do.

IDK Cane, I have been able to use kratom daily for weeks and not have any noticeable withdrawal. This is with kratom leaf and not extracts or resins, which are certainly addicting. I imagine that dependance will eventually form, but nowhere near as quickly as with any opiate.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

^no, I fully agree man.

What I'm saying is that if you are dependent on any opioid say heroin, and take enough hydrocodone, it will satiate your physical need. However some who are dependent on say, heroin then move to hydrocodone for 5 days believe they can walk away having escaped the heroin withdrawals and since they haven't taken hydrocodone long enough to build dependency for IT, they won't get withdrawals when they stop. I see many people inexperienced with buprenorphine especially believing this... If I use bupe for JUST A FEW DAYS, I can get past the heroin withdrawals and not be dependent on bupe (or in this case, kratom).

As long as there is cross-tolerance and you're moving between substances that agonize the same receptors, you will remain opioid-dependent. The exact symptoms and duration of the withdrawal may change when you switch between substances, but regardless, you remain physically dependent on those TYPES of substances.

Kratom certainly does not produce the exact same tolerance and withdrawal as typical opioids, but because it still has some affinity for those receptors, you will remain (to some extent) dependent on opioid agonists.