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Kratom taper/reduction/quitting

Jack123456

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Hello everyone.

A few days ago I've decided to reduce my Kratom intake, and I'm looking for tips or advice (or honestly just wanted to talk to someone about this).

I've been using Kratom for 3 1/2 years. Since about to years on a daily basis. Before that, I was still working nights, and since I've never used at work, and had a brutal shift rhythm, I automatically had regular 3-5 day breaks. I've only ever used from the late afternoon into the night, but then multiple doses throught the evening. I'd say I very quickly started to use high doses. Never had scales so I've always measured in teaspopns (not very reliable, I know). I've only bought scales today because I figured they'd provide a better overview while reducing. Played a bit around with them and I figure my dose for quite a while had been 20-25g a night (over 6-8 hrs), sometimes probably more or slightly less. Would take two 3-4 g doses at the beginning, and then top up with 7-10 single doses at will. Those were quite high dose for me and I was often nodding while sitting, etc.
About a year or 1 1/2 years so ago I've reduced that amount (mostly due to financial reasons) to about 15-18g a night. Unfortunately I can't be really sure about exact doses due to my former lack of scales. That earlier.reduction (I'd say about a third less), I gotta say, didn't really faze me. I still felt euphoric and pleasurable effects of the Kratom (only not the intense nodding, etc, obviously) and no WD symptoms.

Been at the approx. 15-18g per night for ages now, still get the same effects, no need for.constant increase of dosage to achieve the same effects.

In my plan to taper down a bit, I've reduced to approx. 10g a night in the last 3 or 4 days (maybe even less, but I'll stay at 10 for a few days now I've got scales).
Thing is, I've noticed restlessness a bit. Also, I've had a problem with internittent sweating for quite a while now, mainly throught the day. I've considered those sweats to be withdrawal symptoms throughout the day when they started, thing is though, if I do a relaxed day (rarely happening) once in a while, they don't occur. Personally, I think they are anxiety related. Been dealing with that since shortly before I've started Kratom (one reason, the main I'd say I've come.to use daily). For about the first 1 1/2 year the (not officially diagnosed) anxiety was absolutepy gruesome, with I'd say intermittent depression. Now there's a certain manageable baseline, with unfortunate spikes here and there, but nowhere near the state I was in back then.
Thing is, I read a bit on the net about tapering Kratom and withdrawal, and due to my anxious tendencies I of course only noticed the horror stories of agony and despair and sort of unconsciously dismissed the many posts saying that it's not half as bad or not even a thing. I might also be a bit hypoglycemic, which would explain sweating and restlessness. I've always sort of had a reduced appetite and today realised that my daily eating habits have been horrenduous for a while (planning to.change that asap).


Really sorry for the long post. Actually just wanted some advice from others on how to taper down effectively, whether quickly would be a good idea. My goal would be to go back to infrequent use, maybe once every few days/weeks.
My underlying anxiety is just what makes it a bit muddy for me, since I'm not sure whether the mild “withdrawal symptoms“ I've had stem rather from it then from actual withdrawal. Also, I've round-a-bout taken same amounts of reduced dosages infrequently (due to.coming home.later or just falling asleep) and never had any problems then, just as when I reduced my intake by about a third (difference there was I wasn't researching WD and did it for another reason).

Any comments are greatly.appreciated :)
Greetings, Jack
 
Doctors are taught to taper their patients at 10% each week. This is what I did with Kratom and it worked well. Welcome to BL :)
 
I'd recommend to not research withdrawal symptoms and just see how you feel. Sounds like you've already reduced your dose quite a bit so try to relax.
 
Yeah, maybe I'll do a bit smaller steps from now on.
And definately, research into that particular matter isn't too good for me.
 
Yeah, maybe I'll do a bit smaller steps from now on.
And definately, research into that particular matter isn't too good for me.

;)

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For sure :)
Thing is, I've got medical training, so I can't avoid access to (already acquired) knowledge.
Try to suppress it as much as possible when it comes to myself, though.
(Health) anxiety and extensive medical knowledge isn't really a fun combination :cautious:

Am down to 8.4 over the evening (3+2.7+2.7). Actually wanted to stay at 10 a bit, but just spooned up the approx amounts I was doing in the few days I was tapering down before I got scales and it turned out I was already a bit below 10.
 
Damn, got the worst stomach pain/cramps. Hope that's not a withdrawal symptom because they're quite awful.

Dunno, just seems like the weirdest coincidence. Had trouble with my stomach a few years back, so it's not something I've never experienced. Woke up with pain yesterday, subsided throughout the day, but started around midday today again.
I actually don't think they are withdrawal related. Firstly, they only started a few days into me reducing daily dosage by quite a bit (am at 8.4g now, maybe a bit over half of what I started with), also, restlessness pretty much non-existent today, so was sweating after the pain started (points towards them rather being anxiety related). Also, in certain body positions the pain is a bit less, that doesn't really point to WD either.
Main reason is my lifestyle, though. Been drinking tons of coffee again in the last months (was always a heavy drinker at work, had the former troubles with my stomach around that time as well - had a slight period in which I only consumed moderate/normal amounts like 2-3 cups inbetween quitting work and starting afresh at uni, which I'm doing now, but am at it again). Also, as I've said in my OP, I've been eating not nearly enough, so the coffee's had the sole undivided attention of my stomach :) And I smoke far too much. Not being that well-versed in herbal stuff, I thought tea'd be a good idea, place I was at had only peppermint, so drank that - only to read later in.the day that peppermint's actually bad for an upset stomach. o_O
Woke up today because I had an early course, no pain, fucking idiot that I am commenced.to drink.6 cups of coffee again (still less than I normally drink, so that reduction, I told myself.before the pain started, would be my concession to my upset stomach :rolleyes:.
Just had 3 g of Krat and it's a bit better (though not in a significant way), but seeing that Krat has analgesic properties and that I also took some pantoprazole and some (this time.supposedly stomach-friendly) tea, I'm still inclined to belief it's not related to me tapering the stuff.

Really sorry for the long post, didn't intend this to become a blog post and it's quite long just to say that I've got stomach ache but I can't really talk to.anybody else about this stuff.
 
My stomach wouldn't feel too great if I drank 6 cups of coffee. Pretty sure I'd puke.
 
My stomach wouldn't feel too great if I drank 6 cups of coffee. Pretty sure I'd puke.

Yeah, well, got a bit of a tolerance there (or had, seeing as I'll need to slow down a bit).
Definately not WD-related, been having the stomach ache even after my whole nightly dose. Down to 7.7g tonight. Since I already slept for a few minutes on the couch earlier, I took .7 off of my last dose because I don't plan on.staying up much longer.
 
Am at 7.7g right now, gonna stay here for a little while I suppose. Stomach cramps are nearly gone now I've reduced my daily coffee intake from 7-10 cups to 2-3 (switched to black tea, still need some coffeine :) ).
That means that in about a week I've more than halved my daily intake, which is good I suppose. No significant (or at all really) WD symptoms, anxiety isn't more pronounced either (I'm generally in a better patch right now regarding it, though).
I plan on reducing mostly my first dose initially, until I'll leave it at all, so I'll prolong the time until I start at the evening.
I guess I could try to stop all at once (seeing that halving dose wasn't bad), but since I'm in a really stressful patch right now and primarily want to reduce/go back to irregular use, I'll just continue tapering.
 
Cut back by a gram on your doses. Hold that dose for a few days and repeat the process. I just got off a 25g a day habit by lowering my 6g doses to 5g, 4g etc. Hang in there, I got impatient at the end and stopped when i hit the 10 gram mark
 
I will repeat what I have gleaned here at BL and have experienced:
Ktratom is effective against many ailments; pain reduction, something about diabetes regulation, mood enhancement, anxiety relief and many other aspects of it's broad-spectrum of actions.
After a coula years I took a break and ate oxycodone for the pain (nothing else). The pain subsided enough to work through my daily routine but I felt a lot was missing and felt tired, non-social (normal for me) and despondent. After the three day break kratom made me feel "normal" again. It does effect a lot of receptors n our brains and IMO it is all good.

I guess I could try to stop all at once (seeing that halving dose wasn't bad), but since I'm in a really stressful patch right now and primarily want to reduce/go back to irregular use, I'll just continue tapering.
Edit:
Take the taper slow.
I get more from 1 1/2g than 6g. 1 1/2g every four hours daily, no WDs on awakening after 6-8 hours of good sleep.
The above was not OT but was on lyrica and posted some opinions. My bad.
I think it very wise and more effective to taper long and slow if one can (this IMO applies to all things and may be universal). Makes the jump a little less destructive.
Picture this if one will:
On a freight train that is speeding along at ~90 mph. Does one jump off at this speed or when it is about to pull into the station (~5 mph)?
Harm Reduction
Don't hurt oneself.
Glad to hear you are feeling positive about it all. That in itself is valuable in this situation.
Rooting for ya, fam....
 
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I will repeat what I have gleaned here at BL and have experienced:
Ktratom is effective against many ailments; pain reduction, something about diabetes regulation, mood enhancement, anxiety relief and many other aspects of it's broad-spectrum of actions.
After a coula years I took a break and ate oxycodone for the pain (nothing else). The pain subsided enough to work through my daily routine but I felt a lot was missing and felt tired, non-social (normal for me) and despondent. After the three day break kratom made me feel "normal" again. It does effect a lot of receptors n our brains and IMO it is all good.


Edit:
Take the taper slow.
I get more from 1 1/2g than 6g. 1 1/2g every four hours daily, no WDs on awakening after 6-8 hours of good sleep.
The above was not OT but was on lyrica and posted some opinions. My bad.
I think it very wise and more effective to taper long and slow if one can (this IMO applies to all things and may be universal). Makes the jump a little less destructive.
Picture this if one will:
On a freight train that is speeding along at ~90 mph. Does one jump off at this speed or when it is about to pull into the station (~5 mph)?
Harm Reduction
Don't hurt oneself.
Glad to hear you are feeling positive about it all. That in itself is valuable in this situation.
Rooting for ya, fam....

Thanks man.
Totally, still feel pronounced effects even after reducing. Even a bit more now of the red, since I now watch a series before going to bed after a 2g borneo red dose, whereas before I would do more active stuff until I went to bed (Kratom, apart from.the euphoric and slightly dampening effect, can be quite easily controlled or forced into the background if you're active I've always noticed - unless you take huge doses that will lead to intense nodding etc).

I'll take it slower from here. I've got a huge exam at the end of the summer and don't want to mess with my concentration too much since I have to learn throughout the whole day.

Missed my first dose today because I had an exam (went allright I suppose). Going to add a bit to my other two doses ( I wouldn't need to I guess, but want to relax a bit after exam). 3.4 and 3.1 (as opposed to 2.7 and 2) - but will overall still be 1.2g below current dose (7.7). Going to stay on 7.7 until Thursday (after next exam), then go down with first dose.


Edit:
Also, re the anxiety relief, I.gotta say that it is now more pronounced that my anxiety is at a lower baseline level. And now, even if there's a spike, Kratom's pretty effective there.
In that first 1 1/2 years, though, it was really just a bit of a nightly dampening effect while the anxiety was pretty much still intense, up to the point when I had taken enough for the nodding to start (took quite big single doses then.considering I had no real tolerance/tolerance didn't really develop due to.regular work-related stops. (Though I gotta say effect-wise I can't really detect a mounting tolerance or need to up the dose, even after this rather long time).
 
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... my anxiety is at a lower baseline level. And now, even if there's a spike, Kratom's pretty effective there.
I think kratom doesn't get enough recognition in regard to it's anxiety relief. The mood boost goes a long way in helping this, IMO. Whatever the vehicle imma ride it til the brakes fall off.
Love to hear how things end up if you have the time to post.
I am still a skeptic of kratom... just can't wrap my head around the leaf.
I know what it can do but it's like saying a bumble bee cannot fly if one follows logic and reason (but has kinda been figured out).
Just shouldn't bee that helpful for sooooo many "things".
IDK
 
Yeah, I can imagine that, if taken throughout the whole day, it might be pretty effective. As said, I've only ever dosed in the evening/at night. Not only Kratom, though, also everything else I ever took (maybe apart from the odd joint here or there, but very seldomly). Taking something throughout the day was just a line I never wanted to cross (I've always had alot to do as well).
But that also means that, if the anxiety is more acute, I'll have a bad day and then a little respite in the evening.
 
You're doing awesome Jack!! That is a moderately low dose. I'm between 5-10 grams taken in one dose. I only dose at the kratom bar I go to. It helps me slightly control my intake. I plan on being more of a presence, here in Sober Living, because so many frequent posters have either left or aren't posting as much. We could use this thread to motivate and keep each other accountable.
 
I skipped two days and it wasn't that bad. I've taken kratom on and off for years.... Been an opiate addict for 20yrs. Kratom is definitely a soft landing if you do it right. The biggest problem is that it is so cheap.
 
Thanks somnilicious.
Plan on going down to 7 g tonight (2.5+2.5+2). I've taken larger single doses like 10-15g (and then redosed quickly) but that was already quite alot for me. I've only taken a few milder opiates like tilidin, tramadol, codeine, but only mid to low dose and only a few times.
Great that you're doing pauses and that you're off the H!
 
So, I'm down to 7g and feeling good with that. Only took 3.5g in one dose yesterday late at night and didn't feel anything regarding not ingesting throughout the evening beforehand (I've had quite a few beers throughout the day and 2 drags from a joint though, was at a thing that started early and went throughout the whole day). Back to 7g tonight, and will drop to 6g in two or three days.
 
You're doing awesome dude!! I however am not. I dosed in the 12-15 gram range all weekend, while I was hanging out with my sister. I got some gabapentin so I could cut my kratom usage but because I'm an addict I wound up binging on both.

Time to cut down. Money will actually necessitate a reduction and I am actually happy to have the financial limitation. It is good incentive.

Keep up the good work Jack!!
 
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