Opioids Klonopin, Tramadol, Phentremine, Phendimetrazine and still miserable

[Winzip52]

What am I doing wrong? I feel like I have all of these drugs at my disposal and yet I can't seem to make them work. I want to feel euphoric. I want to feel like I don't have a care in the world. Or I want to feel energized. Or something. The ampehtimines are doing absolutely nothing. I freaking nap after taking one! I am also taking two five hour energy drinks during the day. I can switch back to Xanax from Klonopin and I can probably request anything I want from the weight loss doctors. Suggestions?

 

[Winzip52]

Duh. Dosages. Sorry.

35mg Phendimetrazine 30 per month
37.5 Phentremine 30 per month
.5mg Klonopin? 60 per month
50mg Tramadol HC 180 per month
300mg Wellbutrin 30 per month
5mg Abilify 60 per month

 

[XANAX XR]

Not sure what your mental disorders are, if you have any (could play a factor).

If you HAVE to take those meds to manage through-out the day, then I can't help much...

If you don't have to... try 2-5mg of klonopin at once and see how you feel.

OR try a higher dose of tramadol at once, maybe level it out with .5mg klonopin AT YOUR OWN RISK.

 

[Winzip52]

Thanks. I don't mind running out at the end of the month.

I do take up to 6 Tramadol with good effects.

I just tried chewing a Klonopin to see if that had an enhanced effect.

I suffer from depression.

 

[Trippykitty]

Thanks. I don't mind running out at the end of the month.

I do take up to 6 Tramadol with good effects.

I just tried chewing a Klonopin to see if that had an enhanced effect.

I suffer from depression.

Try morphine. It works for me. Though I can't get a prescription of it. Everyone thinks I'm a junkie. At least you have a doctor who believes you. Imagine how it feels to have depression, and no one who believes you. Instead, when I tell them I have depression and I need something to help me, they insult me and tell me I'm a useless junkie drug addict. These health 'professionals' are going to end up being the cause of me killing myself. All because they couldnt just try to believe my cries for help.

Im so alone..

 

[Winzip52]

I don't think I could get my hands on any morphine. I refuse to do anything illegal.

 

[Trippykitty]

I don't think I could get my hands on any morphine. I refuse to do anything illegal.

I'm not saying to obtain it illegally, you have all these prescriptions, just request a prescription of morphine pills from you doctor. Morphine completely gets rid of my depression, hands down. It does everything you are looking for. Just ask your doc.

 

[Winzip52]

Interesting. OK. I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

 

[Trippykitty]

Interesting. OK. I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

It's just an idea. I'm not a doctor, by any means. I am just saying that it makes me feel those two things you described. It makes me feel euphoric, it increases my mood, and makes me want to talk to people, it also makes me enjoy conversations, when normally I despise them. It also makes me feel energized, so that helps with work quite a bit.

 

[Winzip52]

Any other diet pills I should be requesting?

 

[pinpoint]

Morphine is an opioid analgesic that is Schedule II in the US and therefore will not be given to anyone 'by request'. You'll need a very legitimate purpose for getting that or any C-II opioid.

OP I think asking your doctor for morphine could be a very bad move - would you ask him for weed? Probably not, same idea applies.

 

[sekio]

Drugs are not some sort of guaranteed happiness switch, despite their popular image. It sounds like you are best off pursuing other non-pharmacy options.

If you suffer from depression then taking a cocktail of stimulants and depressants is liable to make you feel worse in the long run rather than better. Especially during the 'low's where your body doesn't have a bunch of drugs in it. Certainly, using diet medication in an attempt to cure depression is not the best plan in the world either.

Asking to be put on morphine for depression is like recommending someone have an amputation at the shoulder and installation of a prosthesis for a paper cut on your finger. It's not the right road to go down, and almost every doctor out there will rightfully refuse it. (As much as it may make you feel better, it's a course of therapy that only ever loses efficacy with time - ten years down the road when even fentanyl doesn't sate your hunger will you think it was such a good decision?)

 

[Lightning-Nl]

I used to be just like you, and I still am in many ways... miserable.

But, it occurred to me just the other day - that drugs are only supposed to help you get 'half-way' to feeling normal again. Drug's alone won't fix much of anything - your meds are really meant to just get you to a point where you can start focusing on what's wrong, what needs to change, if you have trauma in turmoil in your past that you need to deal with, and how to put all of that together to start functioning again.

I learned that all too late. Drug's are only a half measure... and always end in something worse than where you started...

I used to be a beat cop a long time ago.

And I'd get called out on domestic disputes all the time, hundreds probably over the years.

But there was this one guy, this one piece of shit, that I will never forget. Gordy, he looked like Bo Svenson, you remember him? Walking Tall? You don't remember? Anyway, big boy. 270, 280. But his wife, whatever she was, his lady...was real small. Like a bird. Wrists like little branches. Anyway, my partner and I got called out there every weekend, and one of us would pull her aside and say "come on, tonight’s the night we press charges." And this wasn’t one of those deep-down he-loves-me set-ups — we get a lot of those — but not this. This girl was scared. She wasn’t going to cross him, no way, no how. Nothing we could do but pass her off to the EMT’s, put him in a car and drive him downtown, throw him in the drunk tank. He sleeps it off, next morning out he goes. Back home.

But one night, my partner’s out sick, and it’s just me. And the call comes in and it’s the usual crap. Broke her nose in the shower kind of thing. So I cuff him, put him in the car and away we go. Only that night, we’re driving into town, and this sideways asshole is in my back seat humming "Danny Boy." And it just rubbed me wrong. So instead of left, I go right, out into nowhere. And I kneel him down, and I put my revolver in his mouth, and I told him, "This is it. This is how it ends." And he’s crying, going to the bathroom all over himself, swearing to God he’s going to leave her alone. Screaming … as much as you can with a gun in your mouth. And I told him to be quiet. Cause I needed to think about what I was going to do here. And of course he got quiet. Goes still. And real quiet. Like a dog waiting for dinner scraps. And we just stood there for a while, me acting like I’m thinking things over, and Prince Charming kneeling in the dirt with shit in his pants. And after a few minutes I took the gun out of his mouth, and I say, "So help me if you touch her again I will such-and-such and such-and-such and blah blah blah blah blah".

Just trying to do the right thing. But two weeks later he killed her. Of course. Caved her head in with the base of a Waring blender. We got there, there was so much blood you could taste the metal.

The moral of the story is: I used to JUST take drugs to feel better... no dealing with the outside or inside world... a half measure. When, I should have been going all the way to get better... I’ll never make that mistake again...

No more half measures, Winzip... no more...

 

[Trippykitty]

I used to be just like you, and I still am in many ways... miserable.

But, it occurred to me just the other day - that drugs are only supposed to help you get 'half-way' to feeling normal again. Drug's alone won't fix much of anything - your meds are really meant to just get you to a point where you can start focusing on what's wrong, what needs to change, if you have trauma in turmoil in your past that you need to deal with, and how to put all of that together to start functioning again.

I learned that all too late. Drug's are only a half measure... and always end in something worse than where you started...



The moral of the story is: I used to JUST take drugs to feel better... no dealing with the outside or inside world... a half measure. When, I should have been going all the way to get better... I’ll never make that mistake again...

No more half measures, Winzip... no more...

As much as I understand your viewpoint on the matter, I also think that your type of mindset leads many people astray. People like myself. Just saying.

Your mindset leads people to look at someone else as a junkie, or drug abuser, rather than someone who is in actual need of those drugs.

I can see where you're coming from, but I honestly despise your opinion.

 

[Trippykitty]

Drugs are not some sort of guaranteed happiness switch, despite their popular image. It sounds like you are best off pursuing other non-pharmacy options.

If you suffer from depression then taking a cocktail of stimulants and depressants is liable to make you feel worse in the long run rather than better. Especially during the 'low's where your body doesn't have a bunch of drugs in it. Certainly, using diet medication in an attempt to cure depression is not the best plan in the world either.

Asking to be put on morphine for depression is like recommending someone have an amputation at the shoulder and installation of a prosthesis for a paper cut on your finger. It's not the right road to go down, and almost every doctor out there will rightfully refuse it. (As much as it may make you feel better, it's a course of therapy that only ever loses efficacy with time - ten years down the road when even fentanyl doesn't sate your hunger will you think it was such a good decision?)

Right, mister professional, I wish I could be as insightful as you. Morphine may be typically used for pain. But in my case it is the difference between severe depression, and actual genuine happiness.

Without morphine I'm a useless depressed lump. When I have it, I work better, i'm better with interpersonal relationships, and I sleep better.

Now please, tell me, what is so wrong with using morphine for depression?

You know, your mindset is what makes people look at me as if I'm some kind of junkie. When really I'm just a normal guy, trying to live a normal happy life.

But go ahead, make your judgements. Make your assumptions. Rely on that pride. Keep spouting that bullshit propaganda. You're not helping anyone.

 

[pinpoint]

Right, mister professional, I wish I could be as insightful as you. Morphine may be typically used for pain. But in my case it is the difference between severe depression, and actual genuine happiness.

Without morphine I'm a useless depressed lump. When I have it, I work better, i'm better with interpersonal relationships, and I sleep better.

Now please, tell me, what is so wrong with using morphine for depression?

You know, your mindset is what makes people look at me as if I'm some kind of junkie. When really I'm just a normal guy, trying to live a normal happy life.

But go ahead, make your judgements. Make your assumptions. Rely on that pride. Keep spouting that bullshit propaganda. You're not helping anyone.

Have you tried using an opioid as an anti-depressant for any real length of time? Much like you I found them to be a panacea, at first. This did not last long and in time they turned on me causing paradoxical effects such as introversion & depression. Not to mention a physical dependence that becomes a ball & chain on the soul. Nobody here is a anti-drug propagandist - if anything we are the counterculture. We do have our experiences that we share and there's no need to be so dismissive.

 

[sekio]

Now please, tell me, what is so wrong with using morphine for depression?

It's unsustainable in the long term. Ask yourself what you'll be doing ten years from now. Do you honestly think you'll be taking the same dose of opioid that you're taking today? If I were a betting man I would put money that you'd need at least double, if not ten times more drug to get the same effect/"high", especially if you're taking it for 3,654 plus or minus 1 day.

You just can't avoid the fact that opioids get less effective with time. That's why doctors try to avoid giving it to healthy people, and it is generally reserved for palliative care. Don't get me wrong, morphine is biologically pretty safe, but tolerance to its euphoric/antidepressant effects is well documented and it happens to absolutely everyone, no matter what, given a long enough time. Eventually you will have to escalate your dose to deal with it losing efficacy. Finally it will become functionally impossible to ever discontinue usage because you take an absurd amount every day for relief.

Not to mention some people find opioids start increasing their irritability or intensifying pain (opioid induced hyperalgesia) after continuous usage. These drugs don't continue to be miracles forever.

You know, your mindset is what makes people look at me as if I'm some kind of junkie. When really I'm just a normal guy, trying to live a normal happy life.

I'm not calling you or anyone a junkie. Nor do I think any lesser of you. In fact I don't see any reason opioids could not be used short-term as antidepressants, or even as weekend "party drugs" of sorts. I'm just stating facts. If you think tolerance to opioids is "bullshit propaganda" and there are nothing but good effects, why are there people who regret ever doing them in the first place?

Without morphine I'm a useless depressed lump.

If you use morphine or other opioids on a regular basis, then no shit - you will be a depressed lump when you stop! Shit, when anyone I know takes opioids, it makes them feel content and capable, and if they use it continuously and stop then they get asocial and mopey. You're hardly unique in this aspect.

 

[Drew.]

This witched directHah.
I abused morph for 3 1/2 years... It WAS a godsend. But as I plugged for so long, my dosage and dependency increased... Along with my ability to hold back. Soon $500 was going to these 100mg pills, every two weeks I believe - But every month, there would be the point where there was none left.
And for me it was just a scramble to survive the next few days. I would pop lots and lots of lorazepam or extract codeine to subside the manic depression, lack of motivation, and isolation.
Soon people started to notice how "fucked up" my eyes were because I would plug TOO much before shifts at work. I would just stay home and use all the time.
And I hate to say it - but my abuse got the best of me. I USED way too much.
This is the pattern that most people get caught in. I survived college and everything during my struggle. And it is completely capable of alleviating stress and depression. I used to be so motivated! I still reminisce of its pleasures.
But I was using it to block out what I needed to experience - emotional pain, hurt, depression... And every time I stopped using, those problems came back like a FREIGHT TRAIN. Suppressive much?
Kratom, an herb that i started to use for withdrawals - changed my decision of using and now I hold myself to making the long drive to get this plant - rather than start using morphine again. I'm not going to lie, it just made me want to nod in the end. I now understand the dragon chase.

I think this is all anyone is trying to say. If you use, you tend to overuse, and then the positives of a drug turn to negative.

I also think you can control it... But you need to a damn good listener to yourself, or it could lead to trouble.
EDIT ;

Kitty let's talk! You are so similar to my Persona both perspectively and presumably personally (same kind of issues, same kind of experiments / drug use... Have you ever gave kratom a shot? It gives me what morph did in some ways, is way less addictive and gets your heart pumping! ( similar to a cup of coffee but with euphoria)

 

[belfort]

first of all OP, u are scribed that many meds just for depression?what else are you doing to help get rid of your depression?are you working or doing any sort of exercise?u cant expect drugs to just give you instant happiness and tons of motivation, it doesnt work that way..trust me, i have tried for years..u need a multi layered attack which involves therapy, exercise, increased social contact and hobbies...i just dont know how some people get scribed so many different meds so easily..

telling someone to seek out morphine for their depression is silly imo..sure, it will work immediately and continue to do so for a year or so but then befoe you know it, you notice your life shrinks and u are a recluse that isnt getting the happy effects anymore but more just livig in a bubble..it took me many years of opiate use to find this out..depression is a motherfucker but simply taking a different drug isnt going to help OP....they are already taking too many things imo..

 

[citizenuzi]

Uhhh Sekio said it. I don't know what your disorders may be but the way around depression isn't really to take a cocktail of drugs. Down that road lie the ruins of your life, depression and misery like you can only imagine... Some people need to be prescribed SSRIs, tricyclics, or a handful of other broad categories, but tramadol and benzos will only fuck you up proper in the end. As hard as they are, lifestyle changes, exercise and therapy are your best bets. Medication should only be used in the SHORT term unless absolutely necessary, and using it indiscriminately to 'feel ok' never works in the end. Band-aid fix for a broken leg.