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Benzos Klonopin (clonazepam)

crdjsph

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Been through years of hell with "know it all" Doctors. Now im pretty settled, ive had a success with 20mg Adderall Daily, after my 1mg Klonopin. About 12:00 Noon i take 10mg XR with a .25KP if needed. . .Its great, all the while on a mood stabilizer (st johns wort - trial). When I rage, its like a seizure. Almost a blackout, the Kp needs to be dosed up to 3mg on the spot to even me out. Totaling 30mg Adderall Xr and about 4.5mg Kp. on the few days that I episode. Respiratory is a little down, but nothing dangerous by any means. The evening times are when I become anxious (Meds wearing off). I have ADHD, and that has been successfully treated, but because of anxiety (my life, i get ahead and then get smashed) I have been scripted Klonopin, 1/2 - 2mg a day as needed. and 20mg Daily Xr. Is this safe? it is abesolutely effective, i am worried about the Klonopin dosage being 3mg at once to level me out..Any input?


Little about myself :
Currently Going to school, Looking for Pt job lately. Try to stay busy is the best thing, but why do I have these episodes of rage? its sad how mental I go, then i snap out of it eventually with cannabis or KP (20 min) or without anything up to 2 days... and I feel sooo immensely sorry for the anger I portrayed. Then comes the depression. I need to talk to people who experience this. Joseph
 
Long term benzos aren't fun to come off. My other concern is that if you need a benzo to drop "on the spot" for acute issues, clonazapam is probably a bad choice. It can take up to 4 hrs to reach peak plasma. I love it for anxiety though. It's fantastic and has a nice long half life.
 
Long term benzos aren't fun to come off. My other concern is that if you need a benzo to drop "on the spot" for acute issues, clonazapam is probably a bad choice. It can take up to 4 hrs to reach peak plasma. I love it for anxiety though. It's fantastic and has a nice long half life.

Thank's for replying :D

I HATE living on the meds, Aside from Adderall I want off! To naturally feel good. (wont try that again until i am chained to a mountain)

I don't know much about Clonazepam, there is a LOT of info out there, but every person has a different experience.

Is it prescribed for long term use?

Does it come down to Xanax?

I have tried Ativan, only to get a headache every time, and it also doesnt work effectively..

Since Klonopin has a long half life, what is the best way to administer the KP, to prevent panic attacks?

Doc says every 12hrs, or on the spot. Not having so much luck treating higher levels of anxiety/adrenaline. I did notice when days go smoothly the Kp dose can go way down or be eliminated.


Also, I am scripted to administer my medications how I please, or as needed. I have 2mg Cap daily on KP. and 20mg Adderall XR, or IR Daily. My Dr. And I have a close bond, and we are determined to get to the bottom of this. Psyc Eval is coming up.
 
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Hi there....

See my post below regarding coming off Xanax. Same applies to all benzos. Taper off really really slowly by small icrements, and use Chamomile Tea, Valarian and exercise when the withdawals get severe. If you do it slow enough in small enough increments you'll hardly notice it.

Cheers


WC
 
OOps sorry- my post about coming off Xanax i mentioned above was in The Dark Side forum. The above is the summary but i wrote a lot more about it in that Dark Side post. Have a look

Benzos are the best thing in the world when you treat them with respect and take only what you need when you need. But so seductive to use all the time. I'm currently on 10mg daily for 6 months, and about to start coming off that, but i've gotta get off the meth before i can think about coming off the valium

WC
 
OOps sorry- my post about coming off Xanax i mentioned above was in The Dark Side forum. The above is the summary but i wrote a lot more about it in that Dark Side post. Have a look

Benzos are the best thing in the world when you treat them with respect and take only what you need when you need. But so seductive to use all the time. I'm currently on 10mg daily for 6 months, and about to start coming off that, but i've gotta get off the meth before i can think about coming off the valium

WC

Hey!

I have literally just started the KP 4 days ago. Meth I havent touched, but I assume it is much like Adderall, just 100x? Im sure that is why you are on 10mg daily, to keep your heart-rate stable and to keep your mind from racing. I Know how that feels! I will surely check your post out! Do you suggest coming off the meds after 4 days in? A lot of people on here say get away get away from benzos! My immediate family says its "do or die". That concerns me but they say thats my problem. I wont take the meds...
 
Off topic since i can't post new topic, I recently was prescribed 120 1 mg klonopin for two months which is 60 a month which is not enough cause i have severe anxiety and 2 mg calms me down. I was going to bump up my dosage when i saw my regular doctor. The receptionist called me and said your regular doctor couldn't make it so i had to see the anti-narcotic giving lectures the whole time so i did'nt want to push it and ask him to up my dosage. So i was wondering would it be a red flag if i called in and said their losing their effects so i can get bumped up to 2 mg. And this is all going be talking to my regular doctor who is'nt all anti-narcotic
 
Off topic since i can't post new topic, I recently was prescribed 120 1 mg klonopin for two months which is 60 a month which is not enough cause i have severe anxiety and 2 mg calms me down. I was going to bump up my dosage when i saw my regular doctor. The receptionist called me and said your regular doctor couldn't make it so i had to see the anti-narcotic giving lectures the whole time so i did'nt want to push it and ask him to up my dosage. So i was wondering would it be a red flag if i called in and said their losing their effects so i can get bumped up to 2 mg. And this is all going be talking to my regular doctor who is'nt all anti-narcotic


Hello there

I am similar with 180 1 MG Kp for 3 months.

I would be able to assist in this one, DEMAND to see YOUR doctor.

If you dont like your doctor, and you guys dont bond, doctor shop like hell with confidence, telling the nurses, everyone that no doctor cares to look at your case in detail!

If you cant get in right away, talk to his nurses and tell em you need HIM, make the soonest appt. Tell em you've been through enough lately, and YOUR doctor is the only one that is worth your time.

NEVER try to refill early. Ask your doc for all refills during office visit if possible. Getting script upped is a huge decision by the doctor. In my case, it was necessary. They check your blood pressure, and in a lot of cases they test you to see if you are lying. They KNOW if you are abusing them.

I take a 2 day break every week from all drugs, Except herb (legal in CA). Dr. Says its safe and healthy. Ask him if you can do that. Dont tell them too much! NEVER tell them you are suicidal, or are going to hurt somebody(unless you really truly honestly are gonna kick the chair out from under your feet). Don't vent TOO much, show your doctor how positive you can be, and how sitting in his office (the side lines) makes you feel that positivism. Once you are out on the playing field the game changes. Also explain how your life is only going downhill, and you are DETERMINED to fix it! it took years and years for me to become treated properly. Im only 22, psych eval started at 10 yrs. I had no issues until i turned 15-16 (puberty)

!! "you must exhaust all other possibilities before prescribing Schedule II drugs" is the motto, and i have been through it man.

So many useless meds, and all the while I know that my problems are deeper than prozac, effexor, lamictal, remeron, zyprexa, celexa, wellbutrin...and much much more. The truth is, THEY DIDNT WORK! my rage is SO bad that I could end up in jail, and the cops have been to my house 7 times to tell me how close I am to going.

I mentioned that to him, and he said lets stick with the Ativan, Wellbutrin, and get you to behavioral therapy. I agreed, and said it would be great for me to talk to a therapist.. however im gonna go the hell off intermittently because i have been for years. What about when I go home? I am a father and I should be the example. So I am really riding on the Ativan just until I can get HELP!. He said "Ok"..

I then REMEMBERED, the HEADACHES! is there anything else just like Ativan that wouldn't give me a headache every damn time, and wouldn't pose an abuse threat?

He Said "All drugs have abuse potential"

"I can give you Klonopin, its a little longer acting, just try it out and let me know what you think."

I said "oh, well that shouldn't be an issue then because my problem is NOT taking the meds, i'll give it a try"

I said "Alright, how do I use this properly?

Then as mentioned above he explained how to take the meds. I walked out of the office.

Getting dosage increased wont be easy, its going to make your doc think that you are becoming tolerant/addicted. Just take it easy, and tell him its working but you arent quite there.
 
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I'm at .25 mg a day when needed so about 3-4 times a week and it works wonders my overall anxiety has been beaten down pretty good even off the stuff it took a while to get there tho lik 6 months but makes me wonder if you can use kpins not daily and get a good effect of ridding the anxiety after waiting awhile kinda like a ssri
 
Sounds to me like (in addition to adjusting your meds) a psychiatric evaluation and treatment would do you a world of wonders. I hope that option is available to you: is it? Because your rages take a lot out of you.

Just for the record, the only benzo that I've tried that has been a disaster for me was Klonopin. I thought I was truly going further out of my mind... much better results with Valium, and later (to this day), Xanax.

Hoping you'll get some relief and peace of mind. And soon!
 
Sounds to me like (in addition to adjusting your meds) a psychiatric evaluation and treatment would do you a world of wonders. I hope that option is available to you: is it? Because your rages take a lot out of you.

Just for the record, the only benzo that I've tried that has been a disaster for me was Klonopin. I thought I was truly going further out of my mind... much better results with Valium, and later (to this day), Xanax.

Hoping you'll get some relief and peace of mind. And soon!

Yep Psyc eval is comin up..I'll post on it.

You understand how it ruins me..Thats true!


I have insurance available to get an eval, it is already being processed :) Thank God.

I have tried Xanax in the past, it worked super wonders for my anxiety. This is the strange thing....

Klonopon doesnt last long at ALL. Xanax usually gets the job done quickly, and i feel better for a while after that..The problem is as my doc says.."The meds you are getting into need a psyc eval". However, he knows i dont abuse. I get 3 month supplies, and usually medium to higher dosages with 3 refills..It makes me wonder if he thinks its good for me..Idk..hah

Tell me about other solutions medication wise
 
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Crdjsph, the meds you named are not Schedule II--I can't imagine why your doctor said that!

True, all medications have "abuse potential," but the very fact that yours gives you refills indicates that he must trust you at least THAT much. And if Klonopin doesn't help you, could you/have you suggested trying Xanax or Valium instead, possibly in conjunction with an SSRI antidepressant? It can take a few tries to find the right combination, but that would be time better spent than in refilling a script for something that doesn't help much or makes you feel worse.

In conjunction with good therapy--can't stress that enough; it saved my life, and I couldn't get any until my mid-twenties--there are numerous antidepressants that can dramatically dial down the rage. In so many cases (mine, and maybe yours?), repressed and untreated depression leads to anger and rage. Those who let it out draw unwanted and usually unhelpful attention; those who turn it inward tear themselves (ourselves) up and cause great damage.

It can take awhile to find the right medication. From what you've written, the "right" combo might be an SSRI or two, plus Xanax. Sometimes an antipsychotic like Seroquel gets tossed into the mix. Don't get huffy, dear friend, at the label "antipsychotic," as I initially did. That's just one of its possible uses.

I am a parent too, and in fact, my husband and all of our kids have received short- or long-term psychiatric care and medication when they needed it. We don't have to fake being "perfect" to set an example. Showing that people who have needs address those needs positively is one of the best lessons we can teach.

End of sermonette: hope that you'll get both the talk therapy and the appropriate meds to help you along.
 
^ really? I have tried 2 antipsychotics and both of them increased my anxiety. Risperdal made me feel like I couldn't breath right, that could maybe be attributed to the zombie like feeling from too high of a dose? I just felt like there was a weight on my chest (and on my mind if that makes sense too). And the seroquel literally made me crazy, I had some kind of paradoxical reaction and was hearing people whispering about killing me and seeing people watching me through my blinds (which were always closed ha), it was scary shit!
 
^ really? I have tried 2 antipsychotics and both of them increased my anxiety. Risperdal made me feel like I couldn't breath right, that could maybe be attributed to the zombie like feeling from too high of a dose? I just felt like there was a weight on my chest (and on my mind if that makes sense too). And the seroquel literally made me crazy, I had some kind of paradoxical reaction and was hearing people whispering about killing me and seeing people watching me through my blinds (which were always closed ha), it was scary shit!


Damn I'm sorry to hear that I'm on 10 mg of ability started at 2.5 mg and delt with the side effects and went up to 10. Never had those zombie like feelings except on Prozac. I'm stable now and my paranoia went away that crazy feeling went away like derealization and depersonalization went away only thing is I thnk it contributes to my anhedonia and avolition but other then that good med tryipna find one that stimulates me since I sleep most of the day unless I use meth haha

But it might be just to high of a dose or just not the rite med. in general I don't have to many side effects to most meds except for ssri's and strattera that stuff made me want to off myself so bad I'm glad I was on it for two weeks only

But I did start ability way before meth and even coke well not my first times but before I started getting into them but I just recent ally got stable after almost 18 months got off every other med except for a thyroid medication called cytomel which is just to give me a little more energy
 
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^ really? I have tried 2 antipsychotics and both of them increased my anxiety. Risperdal made me feel like I couldn't breath right, that could maybe be attributed to the zombie like feeling from too high of a dose? I just felt like there was a weight on my chest (and on my mind if that makes sense too). And the seroquel literally made me crazy, I had some kind of paradoxical reaction and was hearing people whispering about killing me and seeing people watching me through my blinds (which were always closed ha), it was scary shit!


Sorry if this is going a little off topic already but since you stated your dose with Risperdal was perhaps a little high, I'm interested in knowing the dose you had with the Seroquel
I know it's supposed to work on anxiety in very small doses, also works as a sleep aid
people even say it feels similar to a benzo if taken before sleep
 
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