Killed by her first ecstacy

i think alot of factors could have contributed to the girls death, many suggestions seem pretty logical. There are many people who will go out round town in the city centre, drink excessively large amounts of alcohol and die, this is considered a very tragic story that the girl in question died after taking her first ecstasy tablet, but if we had quality control over the drug in question i am sure many a deaths would be prevented, but im just being plain stupid now the government would never use such a stupid idea,
 
Maybe one of the pills she took contained GHB and she drank alcohol, that could be deadly. Perhaps one pill contained DXM and another one ecstasy, could be fatal also. Or perhaps she really just died from MDMA alone.. taking two pills while drinking alcohol (which increases MDMA plasma conc. by 30-some percent) at the same time could (not very likely though) kill a first timer.
 
conspiracy?

Crazeee said:
Wednesday, 12th October 2005
Toxicology tests discovered traces of Ecstasy in Sian's body although it was not a large amount. Her cause of death was given as ecstasy toxicity.
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So... she didn't die of serotonin syndrome, induced by MDMA in a small percent of people for unexplained reasons (allergy, differences in enzyme biolgy) just like that girl from about a year or so ago from socal (14 yr old dies from estacy overdose [I couldn't find the old DITM article with the search])

So I wonder if some people just can't metabolize even small amounts of MDMA since they said traces of ecstacy was found in her body. Or I wonder if her actual cause of death was from a bad pill... one with low amount of actual E and a lot of other bad shit, maybe a speedball... who knows...
 
^ A quote from an update on the article:

A post mortem was carried out, but the cause of death was withheld pending further tests.
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In other words the first article just lied to scare people away from drugs. What a surprise :\
 
My first guess when the story is 'young girl dead of one-two pills' is always hyponatremia. Blaming a death on "ecstasy toxicity" is rather deliberately vague; it doesn't help my suspicion that they're covering up details that would make the death make sense.

There is NO SUCH THING as a truly random death. When two people take the same pills and one dies, it wasn't random; there was SOMETHING different about them that caused the death.
 
But what if some small % of people just can't metabolize MDMA properly and that's what it is... if two peeps eat exactly the same amount from the same press... but yea i doubt the cause of death was ecstacy toxicity/
 
I think thats exactly what I was getting at, there is always the possibility, however slim it may be.

I'm not saying don't take drugs, I am saying that there are risks in ingesting any substance that alters the way your body works--MDMA is no safer than any other adulterant you can introduce into your body to mess with your brain--and I certainly am guilty of eating the hell out of some MDMA in my day.
 
The Heart pills have always got a good rating in the UK (they usually contain VERY high levels of MDMA - some also with a little bit of MDA as well) - guess somebody could have bought out some dodgy ones, but I haven't seen any bad reports "yet".

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=search_reports&sent=1&name=heart&logo=&colour=&region=2&sub_region=7&percent_rating=&pp=50&submit.x=72&submit.y=21

Guess it could be a number of things that caused her death (something else in either of the pills, dodgy heart, dehydration, sensitive to Ecstasy).
 
It is not likely her body metabolized e really fast because she took a half a pill before, and seemed to want more. and she went up to some random guy for a pill, although this is a sad story, it seems as if a normal cause and effect. I really have never hear of any deaths from trace doses of mdma, cept when they have a certain chemical imbalance in which they metabolite it faster, but the dose was too low for that to even happen. and how do we know the pill the guy gave her was even e at all, might of been a gel of ghb or something. so really it might of been an overdose of ghb and alchohol and the trace amounts of mdma kicked up a little bit. Terribly sad, people should really be more careful, and KNOW good pills.
 
also it says she looked drained, if this was truly Ecstasy toxicity then wouldnt her eyes be rolling in the back of her head and her sweating profoundly. I certainly would think that someone dying off of MDMA is pretty easy to recognise. Just as some dying of dehydradtion would be obvious. I certainly now think she got some sort of a downer, that mixed with the alchohol, and the tiny it of mdma.
 
I've taken MDMA in capsules before and had my eyes rolling in the back of my head and passing out and sweating before, and know for a fact it was MDMA... I don't think that stuff has much bearing on the situation, actually... most good MDMA will do that to you :D

I think what I am getting at, is that 90% of MDMA related deaths might not be that at all, but just because of that we shouldn't automatically assume it's not true when someone dies. I think that more information needs to be gathered, but Noone should say otherwise until there is proof either way. I think we all know the validity of most MDMA related deaths is next to none, but thats still not 100% and even a small chance of dying is enough chance that people should be warned against MDMA period.

This is a harm reduction site, NEVER taking anything is always the safest way--if you ARE going to take MDMA no matter what, then there are several resources(heh, prolly not the MDMA forum here--damn pillheads) that provide plenty of helpful information as to how to minimize any risk. In any event, I am sure we can all agree that this is a terrible situation, regardless.
 
ahh, then this website is obsolete?

why have discussion boards, if everything we need to know can already be found via search engine?
 
Anybody notice you never hear a news story:

"18 year old girl dies from first peanut, police investigating Planters supply ring"?

Yeah, I said peanut. People can be allergic to them, i.e some people lack the enzymes necessary to prevent them from being toxic. People can die from them. Same goes for Asprin, and most likely MDMA and any other drug.

Perhaps this girl did die from just MDMA. It's not well investigated, but it seems plausable that she could have had a drug allergy. And of course, that's no reason for MDMA to be in any way restricted, sure as hell hasn't stopped anyone from trying Asprin for the first time. Or peanuts. It just so happens that many deadly food allergies are closely related to drug allergies.

But try telling that to the Media. 8)
 
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