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Ketamine...

have to agree with BFB here, dunno why but there is a huge difference between Parnell K and the other ones imho.
and nocturnal_chick: it is also still used on humans...i called up the hospital and spoke to a few people and they confirmed this.
z.
"if its not p.k. say no way" - Mr.Horse & Nickstar
p.k. = parnell ketamine
 
^^er, nocturnal_chick didn't say it wasn't used on humans, merely that you couldn't stroll into a hospital and score some. It should be carefully stored (locked up) and administered only within the hospital - you are not going to get a script to take home.
 
Ketalar is the preparation found in hospitals for human use.... it comes in boxes of 5 x 2ml vials at a strength 100mg/ml of its base.
It is used mainly in terminal patients in hospital on high doses of morphine, adjunctive therapy of Ketamine and morphine have shown very effective pain relief as both drugs relieve pain via different pathways.
It is also used in bone manipulation in children with breaks and fractures, and also child birth
It is administered IV as the dissociation is meant to be quite less, and the bioavailability increased.
They have started to use oral ketamine in some cases mainly in England, and i was lucky enough to come across a case where they were to trial it in a patient here at one of our big hospitals.
In regards to it being liquid.... that is what all the preps are unless its at a pharmaceutical lab. where they prepare the preparation.
The liquid can be drunk straight from the vials, or you can dissolve the powder into water (highly soluble) it is meant to have a slighly differnt effect......
 
I think the weirdest thing for me is that I've actually helped a vet inject it into a horse we had on our property. Because I've only ever seen it used on horses I just assumed it was only used on horses, is it really commonly used on any other animal??
* Just say Neigh to K *
 
Originally posted by RushingRococco:

It is used mainly in terminal patients in hospital on high doses of morphine, adjunctive therapy of Ketamine and morphine have shown very effective pain relief as both drugs relieve pain via different pathways.

Perhaps true, however both have some pretty negative side effects, nausea being the one that springs to mind.
If only we could get over this hang up about Heroin and start using it for terminally ill patients, the dieing would lead a much happier ending.
ah well, back on topic
 
In hospitals, people are often on Ketamine infussions (which to my knowledge is IV) ranging from the elderly in chronic pain, cancer sufferers, terminally ill patients, and the occasional paedeatric case.
In comes in vials (as stated above), but the best way to deal with it is to dry it out and then do whatever you want with it, after u measure it with some accurate scales. That way u can snort it, eat it, plug it ( ;) ) or redose to shoot it.
Just to get this straight about ALL pharmaceutical drugs - all drugs that are deemed "dangerous drugs" (ie ones capable of recreational or addictive use) are kept in what is called the DD Cupboard in ALL hospitals, nursing homes, and vet's practices. In hospitals (which is what i have experience with), there are 2 sets of keys to the cupboard (which is more like a safe with a couple of locks on it hidden inside a cupboard). Everyone on the ward at every time knows who has the keys, usually one set stays with the Chief Nurse and the other set with a senior nurse on the ward (usually has to be a permanent staff member with a hefty dose of experience). If someone requires drugs from the cupboard, 2 people must go (usually the person that requires the drug, and one of the aforementioned people with a key). The taking, dosing and administration of the drug is witnessed by both, and both have to sign and attest that everything was done correctly. At the end of every shift (yes, every 8 hours) the amounts of all the DDs left are compared to what has been signed out and accounted for. If too much is gone, or there are discrepancies, the suspected source of the problem is found out and fired (good luck getting a job anywhere else if this happens). Most major public and private hospitals have very strict policies on this type of stuff, which makes it both extremely difficult and extremely dangerous for anyone to attempt to steal drugs from the DD cupboard. That's not to say it doesnt happen, but it is nowhere near a matter of "poppin down to the hospital" and just chancing across some Ketamine, Morphine, Pethidene, etc in an unlocked cupboard somewhere. You are more likely to get it from a dodgy vet or aneasthetist, or a dodgy pharmacist as they are left in sole control of the catelogue of their drugs.
Criminality-wise: In QLD, K is Schedule 2 (schedule 1 being Heroin, Coke, LSD and psylocibin) putting it on par with speed, ecstacy, GHB, etc in terms of severity of offence and duration of prison time.
Peas out.
 
Do not IV Ketamine. Especially don't do it yourself, you don't want a needle stuck in you after you instantly enter a k-hole. :)
If you need to inject it, IM, it takes a few minutes, but big deal.
In my opinion come ups are a great part of the psychedelic experience.
 
Criminality-wise: In QLD, K is Schedule 2 (schedule 1 being Heroin, Coke, LSD and psylocibin) putting it on par with speed, ecstacy, GHB, etc in terms of severity of offence and duration of prison time.
1. Poisons of plant, animal or mineral origin that in the public interest should be available only from a person registered under the Chinese Medicine Registration Act 2000 or authorised under another Act.
Does that mean ppl registered under the Chinese ... act can make available H, coke and LSD? Or am I reading it all totally wrong?
And what's the difference between IV and IM? (or what's IM?)
[ 24 June 2002: Message edited by: Lea ]
 
Lea - my law is QLD's.
Dim_Mak's is Vic.
We have different classification laws. The chinese medical exception applies to things like ground up tiger balls, roots with medicinal properties etc, not the QLD schedule 1.
:D
 
The Good Drug Guide
Like LSD, MDMA (Ecstasy) and its close chemical cousin PCP, Ketamine is a product of twentieth century pharmacy, and to this day a healthy revenue source for 'big medicine'.
Ketamine was discovered in 1961 by Dr. Cal Stevens of Wayne State University. The pharmaceutical giant Parke-Davis (now Pfizer) funded its development as an alternative anaesthetic to Phencyclidine or PCP.
ANGEL DUST
Now no longer made, PCP (or 'Angel Dust') gained a bad reputation thanks to its unpredictable and frightening side-effects, such as psychotic aggression. Smoking PCP is what got James Brown on the bad foot, while speeding in South Carolina and waving a gun around.
Ketamine was a useful battlefield anesthetic in Vietnam. It's first practical use, however, was in Vietnam, as a safe and easily-administered battlefield drug for US soldiers. Its wide safety margin in dose administration was ideal for panicked jabs in the war zone.
CHILDREN AND ANIMALS
In the end, Ketamine turned out to be a particularly safe, gentle and effective anaesthetic, especially suitable for children and the elderly. It is still widely used on people and animals all around the world including the US and UK.
Almost every country in the world continues to use Ketamine as a run-of-the-mill anaesthetic for people and animals, including the US and UK. In nations like Mexico and India it is available as an over-the-counter pain-killer.
RETURN TO THE WOMB
Only now are psychologists beginning to explore its potential. It is currently producing impressive results in curing heroin addicts in St. Petersberg, Russia.
And in Argentina, psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Alberto Fontana y Col is studying its use to induce near-birth and near-death experiences to treat neurotic anxiety
[ 25 June 2002: Message edited by: BUMPMEK ]
 
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[ 26 June 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]
 
ok: just caught up on this thread
i NEVER said it wasn't used on humans i am more than aware of that.....
ketamine should generally on be used iv for its intended purpose or unless you really know what you are doing and know that dose rates iv for what level of sedation....
it can be used iv (intra-venous) im (intra-muscular and s/c (sub-cutaneous) although it is rather difficult to administer it sub-cut to a human as we don't have a "floating" skin layer like a cat or dog.
and finally:
Johnny Clunkski:
i don't think that is the most ingenious question to be asking....
[Edit: ... because it's against the guidelines to both request, or provide, pricing information for street drugs, pharmacuticals or anything else. BigTrancer]
[ 26 June 2002: Message edited by: BigTrancer ]
 
Just a tip: If you've never used K before, don't do it with anything else, say G, for instance...right Bunny??
It's evil, but I want more!! heh, heh, heh...
 
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