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Ketamine -- Experienced -- Overwhelming

fairnymph

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Location
Germany for now, US again soon
Dose: 75 mg, intramuscularly administered (from Ketaset vial)
Experience: about 7 times with ketamine, very experienced with other drugs, 2 times holing/semi-holing before this
Setting: Alone, in my room/in bed, during the late afternoon, I am slightly sick (ear infection) but otherwise feeling fine. It is beautiful and sunny outside.
Duration: in a k-hole: 1 hour; full time feeling the ketamine: 2 hrs, 15 minutes

I feel slightly nervous/excited while setting up the needle -- I am very much anticipating a breakthrough experience, and I both look forward too and slightly fear this experience.

The IM goes well; burns/stings as usual but it's over quickly and I am lying down waiting for it to kick in. As it begins to kick in I feel the familar warmth and tingling/numbing of the body high. The comeup is definitely not sudden, and I do feel as if I am being 'eased' into the experience, but when I really feel it kick in, I am slightly overwhelmed and 'floored' for lack of a better word.

I will try and convey/recall as much of this trip as I can, but I have to be honest with you; much of the trip was a blur, even while I was in it. It was, for the most part, NOT lucid, and in this respect it was a much different experience from my previous ketamine trip (see report in this forum). I will try and relate what bits I can, but if my report seems incoherent, well, it was an incoherent trip....

The 'buzzing' sound that I have always had with injected ketamine, and with nitrous, returns. Other than that, I might as well be in a sound vaccuum, and until later in my trip, I am aware of/hear few sounds.
There is definitely a substantial amount of ego loss, in that I feel both less myself, and more a part of the collective whole (if this last term doesn't make sense to you, than I can't explain it any better). I am less interested in myself, in my life and my affairs...they seem somehow unimportant, irrelevant etc....especially because I am viewing them from a larger perspective, and thus in comparision to the infinite my own portion of the universe seems trivial. Now, this is obviously an intellectual conclusion that I could come to without injecting ketamine -- but during my trip, I don't merely THINK this thought (that *I* am irrelevant), I actually FEEL it. It is similar to, yet distinct from, suicidal feelings I have had -- where I dont feel that anything matters, and I feel like my life could end and it would not bother me. However, the feeling I have during the trip is not tinged with the same sort of hopelessness -- but it does share the feeling of indifference that is a part of suicidal thinking. I find this feeling somwhat frightening, but not in a panicky type of way, and I do not panic during the trip.

My sense of time during the trip is totally out of whack. It's not that there is time dilation (although time did, on the surface, seem to slow down) -- becuase I am familar with time dilation/slow down from my previous experience with shrooms and especially acid, and I am absolutely *terrified* by extreme time slow down. On ketamine, it is more as if time simply ceases to exist. I suppose that in reality (and I mean a broader sense of the word reality, broader than the human sense) time DOESN'T exist, but as a human, it is still very strange for me to exist in a timeless state, even if only temporarily. Time truly ceases to be a dimension during this trip.

Because I am so overwhelmed, I have alot of difficulty directing the trip at all. I want to, but I can't, and so instead many emotions and thoughts and lots of information rush over me, almost in waves. I can't absorb or process it all, there is just so MUCH and it is all happening so FAST/in such a full stream that I can't possibly begin to analyze it all.

Perhaps becuase I am tripping in the daytime, my thoughts are not drawn to extra-terrestrials as they were during my last ketamine trip. Instead, I think about two men I know, both of whom have extensive experience with ketamine (in fact, former k addicts). I think about how this experience I am having has impacted them and shaped their views of reality. It is like a glimpse into their minds, and it is a little frightening. I also almost feel (though it is not a clear, strong feeling -- throughout the trip I always feel muddled/confused, at least slightly) as if I am communicating with some part of these men's consciousness's. Of course, I have no idea of knowing whether I am invoking/imagining this communication, or if it is actually occurring, and I am actually interacting with some part of these men's minds. But, at least at the time, I feel as I am indeed having a sort of telepathic conversation with this men (not simultaneously, but rather sequentially).

There is more confusion and definitely some fear/anxiety associated with this confusion and the intensity of the trip, but I am able to remain relatively calm. There is more that happens but I cannot put it into words or recall it, and neither could I percieve it clearly at the time.

For the most intense parts of my trip, I truly do not recall if my eyes were open or closed. I do not think it is relevant either way -- sight, like all of my senses, was simply absent for a while. I am 100% sure, however, that I remain conscious throughout the trip. I do not recall a lapse in consciousness or blacking out at all.

As I begin to sober up (which happens a LOT more gradually at this dose than at 45 mg SC), I can definitely tell that my vision is blurry, and there seems to be more 'motion' in the world. When I move (eg, turn over in bed) it is a big effort, and it seems like the whole world is rotating with me. Sounds seem both muffled and more dramatic at the same time.

At this point, a friend arrives and though I am still feeling the effects of the ketamine (though definitely no longer holing), I get up and help prepare some food with her. I have to sit down though after walking around a bit as I become nauseous from the activity (and fortunately the nausea then subsides). Slowly I sober up over the next hour or so.

Summary: This is all still rather overwhelming, so I will write more about my own personal reaction to the trip in a day or so.
 
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Another good report!
I have exsperienced the feeling as if ur in some ones mind and know how they feel.
Very scary feeling.
 
Looking back on the experience, I definitely feel that I was quite overwhelmed...and that I couldn't navigate through the trip as I typically like to do. I feel that my own ego/consciousness wasn't intact/present enough for me to be able to fully process the information I was exposed to during the trip. Rather than interacting with the information and different planes of existence, I felt that I was simply observing, and thus not really gaining much from the experience. Overall, I just felt too confused to be able to understand most of what was going on.
Thus, for my purposes, I think the dose was too high...I feel that the 45 mg SC with my previous ketamine trip was too low, and that 75 mg is too high...so I am thinking that 60 mg might be the sweet spot dose for what I am trying to get out of the ketamine experience.
I told this (what I have just related above) to an experienced ketamine user and friend of mine, and HIS response was that I need to go HIGHER in dosage, until I am fully unconscious (though, obviously, not dangerously so) and have anout of body experience. I am skeptical about this -- and feel I might get even less out of a higher dose trip. What do others think?
 
I did K at work with a coworker. He said it was "super K". We started off with two small lines a piece and I could not believe how bad it fucked me up. We worked at a hotel and folded laundry, stripped rooms, cleaned public areas...shit like that. Well in the hottub room at a point in the day when we were totally fucked a man walked in and started talking to me. My coworker ran and hid in the sauna instantly. I was left talking with this strange person. I could not really concieve what he was saying to me, I just shook my head yes. Later on I was outside shoveling snow (after snorting some more) in below freezing temps. with just a t-shirt on wondering if it looks strange to other that I am outside in such atire. I was wondering if I was shoveling right and felt totally alien. When we went on break a girl wanted to try it out and me and my coworker told her "no you wouldn't want that shit, it fucks you up way to much". She didn't listen and we found her later on in a room she was cleaning with another girl laying on the bed crying her eyes out she was so fucked up. Just thought I'd share my experiance. This was over a year ago if I could remember more I would type out my own trip report. Has anyone ever heard of super K?
 
i'd definitely suggest trying a lower dose before you take your friend's advice.
your goal is to have a bit *more* control, right?
 
I have a thought about the feeling of being one with the universe, especially when this feeling is "helped along" with the use of dissasociatives. I could be wrong but I read on erowid that dissasociatives actually disconnect different parts of your brain from the rest. This should allow them to exist and think independently from other brain parts. Once the brain dissasociates to the point where its almost like individual cells are having independent thoughts, then the feeling of becoming the universe sets in. Just an uneducated theory, but it sounds good to me!
Very nice report. I would try less next time as well...it doesn't seem like taking more would equate more control. Drugs are weird though.
peace
 
i can totally relate. i just had ( as in i'm coming down now ) what i consider my first k hole. being by yourself is the part that i liked the most. i thought alot, to the point that i wasn't sure if i was talking out loud. i wanted to hear music but the words moved my attention away from myself. so i decided to put on some dnb and just lay in bed. the clock was bothering me so i turned it around and i decided to get a pen and my note book.....wow that was the absolute best part. i ended up writing a poem to my friend who will be dead a year on may 29th from ODing on morphine. this will be even more emotional tomarrow when i try to comprehend it. i'll post it then.... but the feeling was incredible but worth it. the feeling of writing and knowing that in some way you have no control and that its your subconcious coming through. that is why i decided to close my eyes half the time i was writing, because if i could read what i was writing i would analyze it and then build off it in a more literal way... spelling context syntax and all that stuff would come into play. and thats what i didn't want. i would love to video tape myself sometime....if anybody tries this let my know how it goes!! well i'm ehausted so i'm gonna go to sleep.... class in the morning! but only three more days until detroit!!yay!!
thanks for reading! ( mods sorry if i did this wrong!)
much love,
Dawn :)
 
as i promised heres what i wrote last night:
(i am by no means a good writer) :)
Amber
one year,
just like you
know that now
i feel numb and my hands and feet are blue.
i'm here you're there
but i'm trying to stay true.
May 22,2002 12:30 am
i totally understand what fairynymph was saying about suicide. the toughts were there but not the will. it was an odd combination. well that's about it....
much love,
Dawn
 
i have felt in that same manner. this past sunday night, i was on a boat. while nearly holing. (i don't think that ive truly holed, tho i did 3 fat lines) i realized that the experience was similar to salvia. but in a slowed down way. i felt the disconnection and reconnection to "the whole". though i never considered diving into the water, i thought that if my human experience ceased to happen. that i would continue on. however, you must realize that you are on a drug. that causes this altered state. so the fact being you don't know for fact that you would stay at the crossroads of reality is enough to keep yourself in check.
the best part of coming down from K or salvia is realizing your alive. and always gives me that boost of thankfulness that i have this opportunity to live. to live this human experience.
 
When you do an IM injection where do you usually put it? Is there a huge need for accuracy, or do you just stab it into your thigh and let the fun begin?
 
Originally posted by pinesol:
When you do an IM injection where do you usually put it? Is there a huge need for accuracy, or do you just stab it into your thigh and let the fun begin?
I personally use the upper thigh or butt for injecting ketamine. It hurts more to be injected into my leg but the effects seem a bit stronger. Better blood flow perhaps? And no, you don't haphazardly jab it in. You want to avoid blood vessels and such. Make sure you inject slowly, over a period of 10 seconds or so. It will hurt if you inject quickly.
 
MGS pretty much covered it....
I like to inject into my thigh, on the top and towards the middle. I stick the needle in at a slight angle (like 60 degrees, not 45 degrees as with IVing), and I make sure that the tapered part /opening of the needle is facing upwards. ALWAYS rotate your injection sites, you shouldn't inject in the same place more than once a week.
I've injected the soln at various speeds and it always seems to burn a bit no matter how slowly I inject it. So sometimes I will inject it over like 5-10 seconds just because I want to get it over with. Definitely don't inject it any faster than over 5 seconds (unless you have a really small amount -- oh and with larger than 1/2 cc amounts you should inject more slowly) because it will hurt like a bitch and the skin will kind of 'bubble up' because the muscle/tissue doesn't have time to absorb all the liquid.
Always use sterile needs and throw them away after one use. Use 29 gauge insulin needles. Clean the injection site before and after with rubbing alcohol to ward off infection. If blood flows into the syringe when you insert the needle, IMMEDIATELY pull out, for you have hit an artery.
Be safe!
[ 29 May 2002: Message edited by: fairnymph ]
 
I've always been scared of needles but the one drug I would do would be K if I had to. This is a good report. I've had many K-holes like the one you experienced.
 
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