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Ketamine - 8th Time - Beyond The Wall Of Sleep

Petersko

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Location
Edmonton, AB, Canada
Location - Climaxx Afterhours, Sunday Night. Relatively quiet evening, not too crowded.
Dose - 6 bumps spaced 15 minutes apart - perhaps 300mg total
Type - insufflated
I have read numerous reports from many people who have claimed the infamous k-hole to be a terrible experience. Well, Sunday night I managed to k-hole myself. I've also come to the conclusion that if somebody is lucid enough to tell you they are k-holed, they simply aren't.
After the third bump I was on the dance floor. They have recently installed a laser light system in the club, and when I turned my back on it and looked towards the back of the club, it looked like I was in a meteor shower, and I was entranced. Looking at the laser was mind-numbing.
After the fourth, I knew I was headed for something extraordinary, and I went to the cool-off room and began chatting with my buddy Jeff. The altered perception was amazing - placing my hand over my face gave the the rather eerie perception that a huge spider was sitting on it. Very trippy. Sound was extremely compressed, and auditory hallucinations abounded. I knew I was making the occasional odd noise myself, but didn't much care.
And after the sixth bump, the world changed. At first I saw the real world around me, and every once in a while with a small static burst of noise, I would see an alternate world comprised of similar features, but drastically different. The door was still a portal, but it was black inside, and the border was several layers of geometric rectangles. The vision would last only a second or two before returning to "reality". While in that alternate state, the colors weren't the same either - sometimes black and white, sometimes in deep hues like reds.
Finally it switched to the alternate world and simply stayed there. I lost touch with reality entirely for 90 minutes, and I spent that time exploring the world in my mind. It was a mix of geometric objects, often pulsating. Sometimes I would glimpse what were undoubtedly people in the real world, but in my alternate world I'd call them "entities" rather than people. Most interestingly, I could cause them to relate to each other differently, essentially acting as a puppeteer.
I had several extremely disjointed conversations with several of the entities (and their real-world counterparts, as I would later return) where I completely failed to relate where I was...
I moved through this strangely consistent world, and knew I was the master of all of it. I could cause the intense lighting to brighten and dim on command, open portals between the rooms (each room was dramatically different than the last), and interact freely with all of it. But I never walked anywhere - it's better described as floating. I moved without action. The entire time I was completely aware of the fact that this state was temporary and drug-induced, so I suffered no paranoia or distress of any kind. I was completely at ease.
After a long period of time, the real world once again began intruding. A burst of static, and I would briefly see the cooling off room, although not clearly, and over time it slowly took precedence over my alternate reality, until one time it simply stuck. I was on the couch where I had started. I got up (with some difficulty) and set out to find my friends.
When I reached them, I realized I still could not adequately explain where I had gone in my mind. I am not really relating it well here either, but I've had some time to process it now. How does one explain a completely mental environment?
At 7:00 they kicked everybody out, and we went to Arrival. One girl who I had spoken to me while I was on the couch said, "Hey! I see you made it to the next place... have a good trip?" My reply, "I plan on returning someday." She asked me to go dance, but my steady legs had yet to return.
I was quiet for quite a while, contemplating my first ever "trip".
 
Here's my question...as I have never done K or seen anybody do K. When someone is in a K hole for a prolonged period of time...what is their behavior like? Eyes open, closed, mouth open, closed, able to converse, move...what? It just sounds like a very vulnerable position...is it?
 
I would say extremely vulnerable. If my intention had been to k-hole, I would have chosen to do so at home. It just kind of "happened", and it won't just happen again in a club. I had people around that I trusted though, so all was good.
As for how you behave when holed, you mostly do nothing. You might make the occasional odd noise, or twich a bit, but other than that, you're just kind of sleeping with your eyes open.
 
I had a similar experience on K, but in my case it was a near-death experience for me...no feeling in my body and felt like I was watching everything I was doing and everyone else in the club through a rotating, fuzzy TV. It was crazy--Heathcliff and Mighty Mouse were on! Kept saying to my friends..."I don't know if this is good or bad....don't know if this is good or bad...don't know..." In other words, I was crazy, f-up, and it was unbelievable!!
 
Petersko,
Hi! haven't been around much to bear witness to your doings these past few months. So I just wanted to know how many times did you do K but without falling into a hole?
I'm simply curious as I've been really interested to give K a try, but for some inexplicable reason I'm nervous about it, which is good in a way. I guess it could be the control freak in me or it's the simple fear of liking it too much. I say that because I find myself doing a lot of things that trip me out and madly so.
But K is new, it's unfamiliar to this mind, and even though I've read loads about it, I still need to understand something, not sure what that is exactly though......
BTW, have you ever tried crystal meth? if so, how would you compare the two?
thanks.
 
girlcandy - That was my eighth time on ketamine. It's very easy to avoid a hole - don't do more than half a point or so, and bump every fifteen minutes until you are where you want to be. Provided you keep the dosage low, it's quite controllable. However, you do get "stupid". It's not called "dummy dust", or "dummy in a bag" for nothing.
I've never tried crystal meth, nor do I have any interest in doing so. I had a heroin addict tell me point blank, "Man, I don't touch that crystal shit. It's bad news." That's gotta tell you something.
 
Thanks, Petersko,
but what is that telling me? I don't understand a comment like that! call me silly, call me naiive, but this is my view;
Each of us is looking for our high, that special something in it that connects you to another world, another understanding, a different perspective, a little love and little joy. whatever it is, we're all dissimiliar.
in turn, that means that a drug you fancy, that takes you to a place you love to be, will not necessarily be my choice. But even if our choice is of the same, our experiences and our feelings, our highs will not be. my purpose, my longing is otherwise.
it's also safe to say that i might be more prone to becoming addicted to the drug/s of my choice given that it's the one that i love, the one i put above all else. while you might get hooked onto a drug I wouldn't bother more with.
so, when i hear someone, experienced or not,
say to stay away from meth, i don't understand it and i certainly don't take it seriously. it's a whatever attitude.
let's not assume i'm all blonde and flighty here. i'm a huge believer in being aware but not paranoid, that's just stupid!
still, i get your point!
 
girlcandy - Over and over, I've heard people say that "crystal ruins lives". And I
ve met quite a few people who had to piece their lives back together after suffering a long-term addiction to it. Finally, I recently watched somebody who has handled casual use of cocaine, ecstasy, k and a number of other drugs without any issues develop a dependency on crystal in a very short period of time
A little light reading from Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_effects.shtml
Crystal is a very scary thing. I'd invite you to post a question in "Other Drugs" - "So, what's so bad about crystal?" You'll hear a great deal of information telling you exactly why it destroys lives.
 
Oh yes - additionally, my understanding of the addiction potential of K is as follows:
oral/insufflated: very low potential for addiction
injected: moderately high potential for addiction
However, if you do become addicted to K, the withdrawal, by all accounts, is a horrendous process. FYI.
 
I readin a magazine article about meth that is it one of the most addictive drugs you can get. Aparrently (according to this magazine) only meth and coke were the only two drugs the lab rats self-administered until death. Thats pretty scary if you ask me :/
 
petersko,
i good to hear you liked your first k-hole. as a reformed k-whore i just wanted to to warn you k can be hella adictive. i just speaking from personal expirence not any researched documents. several others will tell you the same. keep in mind i have a very addictive personality. i'm not trying to preach just don't want anyone to make the same mistakes i did. have fun with k it can be a great drug. if your doing it at home try it with music like enya (sp) it goes perfectly together
p.s. girlcandy if you have to ask why we think crystal is evil try this link http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/forum19/html/007307.html?reload=18
from my own expirence crystal hieghtens your energy and your focus. k is a dissocitaive it sets you down and brings you into another world. alot of crystal users don't like k, but then again i'm making broard assumptions.
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I AM AN ASS!
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YOU PEOPLE ARE DUMBER FOR HAVING READ MY BULLSHIT.
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Yay for ignorant comments!
I urge you to at least try Ketamine before you say it's worthless. I know many people who say that Ketamine has caused more profound and powerful experiences than most of the psychedelics you know... in the word of the infamous Morninggloryseed, "Ketamine makes LSD look like a child's toy". And no, it is not a weaker version of PCP, it is actually a better version of PCP in that it is more of a true dissociative with less of the brain noise that is associated with PCP and DXM. Ketamine has caused many profound experiences for me, as well. Also, if you think people do K as a cheap way of rolling, you are dead wrong. These two drugs are apples and oranges, nobody does K because they "can't roll"... K is an experience completely different from the one induced by XTC, so do some goddamn research. You are also the first pill snob I've ever met... i. e. "why do that pussy-ass shit... I roll... i'm soooo cool".
Death to ignorance!
 
tp man,
i got a nice big fat line of k for u. snort it and lets see how much of a pussy drug you think it is.
 
DJ Toilet Paper - That was an excellent troll attempt. However, I'll ignore the troll aspects and explain why I, myself, like K.
I'd have to say I like Ketamine because each level of dose leads to dramatically different effects. You can choose the stage you like, and aim for it directly. I also much prefer K when I'm already on E. It adds a warmth to the experience.
oscarthegrouch: Luckily, I don't have an addictive personality. During the week, I have no desire to partake in any drug - e, k, or any other letter. I don't even smoke weed. On the weekends I'll partake, though - But only as part of a social outing. Drugs have a very specific place in my life.
 
girlcandy - Ah! Now I remember - your excellent followups to my post about my ecstasy experiences in the year 2000 kept me thinking.
Much thanks for your replies. I value them.
 
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