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Kavanaugh sworn in

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Well who else would be a good fit if they happen to crucify him over small mistakes from a billion years ago?

I would say every billionaire probably has crimes/corruption in the past, but strangely Mueller hasn't found any in 2 years of doing outrageous shit like raiding his lawyers office.

Maybe his corruption is limited to (his admitted) buying of politicians?
 
Also let's look at this latest claim. Julie Swetnick graduated high school in 1980. In 1982, she attended 10 high school parties (as an adult) where she witnessed, and did not report gang rapes.

Ok. So she is an adult going to gang rapes of minors.

Is such a person credible? Even assuming this is all true, I think not.

So why believe that Kavanaugh was present at these gang rapes, that she went to as an adult, and apparently didn't see fit to stop/report?
 
I would say every billionaire probably has crimes/corruption in the past, but strangely Mueller hasn't found any in 2 years of doing outrageous shit like raiding his lawyers office.

Maybe his corruption is limited to (his admitted) buying of politicians?

Raiding the lawyers home was GENIUS.

Trump and cronies believe themselves to be ABOVE THE LAW

anyone worth their weight in meth knows how to keep paper, incineratable records.

Manafort (moron) and Trump (moron?s doppelganger )

Deseve EVERYTHING they get. Fucking idiots. Maybe if Trump wasn?t such a terrible person he could have picked a better lawyer.

And then he DOUBLES DOWN on crimelord attorneys by hiring GIULIANI

I bet you no woman will defend him.
 
We are in a thread you started calling a man an attempted rapist with no evidence that cduggles already mentioned bringing back on topic, im not responding to boneheaded shit like that.

Do you still accuse Kavanaugh of rape? You've gone awful quiet since the claims started falling apart.
 
Why can’t you say who else is a good fit?

Not familiar with the other potential candidates?

I can, but am not concerned about the other candidates. The underhanded tactics have me fully behind Kavanaugh.

My least favorite Supreme Court decisions as of late are gay marriage (I would have supported this if implemented democratically, despite not believing two men or women can be considered "married.") Obamacare (and I'm not even strongly against socialized medicine, but Obamacare is NOT socialized medicine it's "buy this shitty product or else") and Citizens United.

My main problem with Kavanaugh is he seems pretty hard into the "corporations are people too" idea behind Citizens United, which shifted this country much further towards oligarchy than it already was, but many people say that is in fact constitutional, and I haven't looked into if the other picks have differing views (I doubt any of them do.)
 
I'm not particularly fond or endeared to the homosexual political agenda; I think rushing into the heterosexual lifestyle as gay people to live out a marriage is foolhardy considering half of all straight marriages end in divorce, why do we think we can do better? Dating people for a while then moving onto others might be a way better lifestyle choice. Marriage brings a lot of problems to a lot of people.

I'm more concerned with my 1st and 2nd amendment rights, expanding civil rights to include the right to die, ending the war on drugs and such. Sadly Thomas was the only guy to stand up against the 10 day waiting period in CA and that's really sad when all the conservatives roll over and take it from the liberals. :|

I don't think anyone's right for the supreme court seat at the time being, and because Trump will not pick a more Libertarian candidate, then that seat's going to stay open until we have better candidates (i.e. a new president). This happened with Obama, and it's going to happen to Trump. Be prepared for a taste of your own medicine, Republicans! All you have to do is try someone else. Don't get frustrated. Choose a more centrist candidate. That's why W. always got his way, he knew how to pander to enough of the Democrats. Just like Bill Clinton who knew how to pander to enough of the Republicans. Trump can't play ball; I imagine physical education isn't high up on the list at Wharton.
 
Excited to hear the accusations tomorrow, though I don't know what she's really gained by waiting until now. The media can't wait to put a spin on her story, and I'm sure it's going to get pretty nasty very quickly. :\

Talking about a potential replacement for Kavanaugh isn't off-topic as there are two ways this goes; he gets in or doesn't, and in the latter situation the Trump train is going to want to try pushing another candidate.
 
FIVE ACCUSERS

Just woke up and put on CNN a bit ago

TWO ANONYMOUS ACCUSERS! This is ON TOP of the gang bang story and the pushed him away by the dick story AND separate from Ford's story.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/brett-kavanaugh-allegations/index.html

Boat rape? A man? Was he the witness or did Kavanaugh rape a dude too? JFC too many salacious details to keep straight.
 
FIVE ACCUSERS

Just woke up and put on CNN a bit ago

TWO ANONYMOUS ACCUSERS! This is ON TOP of the gang bang story and the pushed him away by the dick story AND separate from Ford's story.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/brett-kavanaugh-allegations/index.html

Boat rape? A man? Was he the witness or did Kavanaugh rape a dude too? JFC too many salacious details to keep straight.

Finally you understand Captain.Heroin (called it)

Actually I get bragging rights first to call bullshit.

That said, although the stories are utter bullshit apparent to everyone but the "women never lie, even if every witness says they did" Kavanuagh is likely going to get a sabotage "no" vote from Flake the *** and possibly Murakowsky (however the fuck you spell it) and Collins whether there is evidence or not.

However, a couple democrats in close races in swing states may end up being forced to give a yes vote.

We will see. (talking about the senate here he's getting through the house.)
 
I'm just wondering why there were zero Gorsuch sexual abuse victims/accusers?

Were the Democrats asleep? Or perhaps Gorsuch is actually an OK guy?

Gorsuch replacing Scalia did not make the court more conservative, if anything it was the same balance. So no need to attack, might as well save it for when it matters. Any of Trump's picks replacing Anthony Kennedy represents a large ideological shift.
 
^ The Democrats would have crucified Gorsuch if possible because of the tactics that Senate Republicans used to prevent Justice Merrick Garland, who was nominated by President Obama, from even having a hearing, much less a vote.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...merrick-garland-supreme-court-nominee/482733/

The Democrats are also aware that future openings might be filled with conservative candidates or pervs like Kavanaugh.

And here is an article about the death threats against a lot of individuals involved, including Kavanaugh's wife, apparently. It also indicates that psychologists regard Kavanaugh's behavior as pervy.

Unless you think Ford's lawyer lied to the Senate about death threats reported to the FBI, this should suffice:

Threats are pouring in for key players in Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation.They've come to Sen. Susan Collins, whose vote may seal Kavanaugh's judicial fate. They've come to Kavanaugh's wife, per CNN. And they've come to Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who claims Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her about 35 years ago.

Ford's attorney, Debra Katz, revealed the concerns her client faces after coming forward this week.

"As you are aware, she has been receiving death threats, which have been reported to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and she and her family have been forced out of their home," Katz said in an email to the senators overseeing Kavanaugh's confirmation.

"She wishes to testify, provided that we can agree on terms that are fair and which ensure her safety."

This is OnPolitics Today.

She's willing to testify, if it's 'fair.'


That's right: Ford is still willing to testify if the conditions are "fair." Chuck Grassley, head of the Senate committee overseeing the nomination, previously told Ford's attorneys to have her prepared testimony submitted by 10 a.m. Friday if she wanted to speak. Grassley said he doesn't doubt Ford's sincerity, but a tweet from his aid suggested he wants Kavanaugh confirmed regardless of what Ford says. "Unfazed and determined," tweeted Mike Davis, Grassley's chief counsel. "We will confirm Judge Kavanaugh." He later deleted the tweet.

Meanwhile, Ford's claim that Kavanaugh groped her as a high schooler has raised the question: Is what someone does at age 17 relevant? Psychologists say the assault Ford described falls clearly outside anything resembling youthful indiscretion.
 
Nod to invegauser for outlining the normal scope of the FBI. From that, I still believe this request doesn't naturally fall to their responsibility.

That said, I also acknowledge, and appreciate, cduggles bringing more to the table that both supports this NOT being typical FBI responsibility, but that there exists a path for the FBI to take it on - specifically at the request of the President.

TLB: You are correct. I never stated "Kav" was specifically mentioned in the article in which two letters signed by over 1,000 students who attended "Kav"'s school, as well as its brother and sister schools around the same time felt compelled to highlight the rapey culture therein described.
I'm always careful with my allegations, just in case Trump sends the DOJ after all of us (except a couple of like-minded fellows!!). Oh wait, he hates druggies...we're all going down. %)


Next: Here is a nice cut and pasted article and two other linked stories that explain why...

Can the FBI investigate the allegation against Brett Kavanaugh? Analysis: President Donald Trump said investigating Christine Blasey Ford's accusation of sexual assault against Brett Kavanaugh "is not really their thing."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ossible/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.366994b7ea9c

Almost an FAQ on "Kav" and various groups involved in SCOTUS confirmation and evaluating his rapiness:

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/6498...t-the-fbi-to-reopen-a-kavanaugh-investigation

So yes, Trump would actually have to care about the truth. Ha. Ha.


So...there exists a means for the FBI to investigate, which is solely at the request of the President? Ok, I have that. Thank you.

Can you come back to WHAT they would investigate? Because they have already investigated him SIX times and found nothing. It seems hard to believe after SIX background checks they didn't find ANYONE to mention ANY of this 'rapiness' :\ I suppose, they could have been ineffective with their investigation...all SIX times. I've never been investigated by them, but a friend was when she applied for a gov't job. She shared that they even talked to her mailman and hair dresser (perhaps embelleshment, but the point remains - the FBI are really f'n thorough, it's their job).

Still waiting for anyone to respond to what to investigate. A location she can't remember? Witnesses who say they weren't there? Nobody has denied there wasn't a promiscuous environment for teenagers in that time and place. Nobody has shown Kavenaugh was part of it or did anything wrong as yet.

And before anyone points to 'more accusers!', they ALSO have not provided anything of proof, and have had their witnesses deny it happened. And, with each additional person coming forward, it begs the questions - why wait until now, with less chance of proof? why are the claims brought through political channels rather than legal which will in fact investigate (if there is enough to investigate - as local law enforcement, without political party bias)? why are there STILL no witnesses that support these claims or anything of evidence beyond an accusation? Just because more people claim it, doesn't make it true. It makes it more likely, but not true without proof. And these questions undermine their additional claims.

PS - I'm not sure if you are mocking me for using "Kav" or not (don't care). But ftr, I'm just to lazy to keep typing his whole name.
 
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The Democrats are also aware that future openings might be filled with conservative candidates or pervs like Kavanaugh.

And here is an article about the death threats against a lot of individuals involved, including Kavanaugh's wife, apparently. It also indicates that psychologists regard Kavanaugh's behavior as pervy.

Seems your mind is made up already, despite no facts supporting the position that Kavenaugh is 'a perv'. Even your link to the Psych's eval references the behaviour in general of 17y old boys, and is not assigning that behaviour to Kavenaugh. The closest it gets is what we already have, accusations that are denied by the accused (naturally) and any listed witnesses ( 8o ). So while you firmly state Kav is a pervert....there is STILL nothing to support this.

If it is proven true, I'll be in the group that condemns him for it. Until it is proven true, I defend anyone's right to be presumed innocent. Shame MSM and many folks don't hold to that premise. I'm sure they'd want it applied to them, but I guess things are different depending upon who you are :\ Everyone is entitled to an opinion, hopefully they are open minded enough to learn facts and allow that opinion to be changed if reality contradicts it.


TLB: You are correct. I never stated "Kav" was specifically mentioned in the article in which two letters signed by over 1,000 students who attended "Kav"'s school, as well as its brother and sister schools around the same time felt compelled to highlight the rapey culture therein described.
I'm always careful with my allegations

Ok.
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