Kavanaugh sworn in

[Asclepius]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...vanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-washington-post

This seems even a bit more aggressive or abusive than any of the 17 Trump assault victims.

Rateyourrapist.com

 

[treezy z]

of course it's a commentary on the current situation but you're adding 2 and 2 to get 5.

alasdair

Picture of Kavanaugh
Rape accusations are true 90-98% of the time.

It's obvious they are trying to get you to draw a specific conclusion.

Rape accusations being true 90-98% of the time is irrelevant, because we are talking about A SINGLE case, not statistical averages.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Ridiculous argument. 2-10% of rape accusations are fake. Therefore Kavanaugh is guilty. Therefore this transparent attempt at sabatoging his nomination is true.

Let me break that down logically.

2-10% of rape accusations are fake.
-Ok sure, I will grant this although I haven't seen all the statistics. I don't have any reason to doubt this.

After this the logic breaks down. This statement does not make the following true.

"Therefore Kavanaugh is guilty."

When you look at the situation as a whole it is even less of an argument.

If two to ten percent of rape allegations are fake, then by using basic statistics this woman is most likely telling the truth.

A SINGLE case, not statistical averages.

Sure OJ might be innocent, but his wife still died. She can't say who did it, she's dead.

This victim's talking, however, and we should believe what she's saying.

 

[JGrimez]

If you can't recognize this bullshit for what it is, you may be a partisan:

"I'm sorry, but there's absolutely nothing credible about Christine Blasey Ford's allegations against Judge Kavanaugh.
SHE COULDN?T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN EXACTLY IT HAPPENED.
She's refusing to testify.
She's connected to Democrats in every direction.
This is a political hit job."

"Nobody has hurt real victims of sexual abuse more than Democrats.
When Democrats "believe all accusations," that makes such accusations a political tool.
Then people ignore accusations because they assume it's a political tool.
Who does that hurt? Real victims of real abuse."

If you want to go back that far Hillary Clinton/MSNBC to investigate Ford's allegations... let's investigate my RAPE allegations against Bill Clinton, too. Seems only fair

Last I heard Ford has been ignoring emails inviting her to testify under oath...

So the Democrat position is: "We demand she be heard. How dare you ask her to talk!"

Christine Blasey Ford Has Record of Questionable Integrity - Kavanaugh and Gorsuch Went to Same School Did she mistake Kavanaugh with Gorsuch?

Senator Feinstein admitted on Tuesday that she ?can?t say that everything is truthful? about the sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh brought forth by far-left activist Christine Ford.

Hey Professor Ford, if you really wanted an FBI investigation into this alleged incident why didn't you mention this ONCE in the last 35 years?

Can someone explain how the FBI can "investigate" an alleged assault when the accuser can't even name the date & location that it happened? Where exactly would they begin?

Kavanaugh's accuser wants FBI probe before she testifies
Did someone say stall?

Every woman's allegations should be heard. Unless she was raped by Bill Clinton or Keith Ellison

 

[treezy z]

Jim Crow south:

"We must believe women! No questions allowed!"

(Proceed to form lynch mob)

 

[JGrimez]

Terrence K. Williams:
"I was sexually assaulted in a couple foster homes & yes I spoke up. So to say I’m picking on Kavanaugh Accuser is crazy. She was in high school & don’t remember who owned the house or how she got there. I was in elementary & I remember everything."

"I want you to think about this in perspective. Democrats want the FBI to investigate if a 17-year-old touched a 15-year-old's boob at a high school party 38 years ago."

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I was in elementary & I remember everything.

Everyone processes sexual abuse differently; it is inappropriate to blame the victim for not having all the answers.

 

[alasdairm]

"We must believe women! No questions allowed!"

(Proceed to form lynch mob)

when you have to exaggerate like this what does it say about your point?

who's saying no questions allowed?

alasdair

 

[zephyr]

Jim Crow south:

"We must believe women! No questions
allowed!"
(Proceed to form lynch mob)

when you have to exaggerate like this what does it say about your point?

who's saying no questions allowed?

alasdair

JUST Captain H, tbh.

The whole misogyny thing is probably from looking at his record collectively and forming an e-lynch mob, but that's just a wild guess .

Everyone processes sexual abuse differently; it is inappropriate to blame the victim for not having all the answers.

If two to ten percent of rape allegations are fake, then by using basic statistics this woman is most likely telling the truth.



Sure OJ might be innocent, but his wife still died. She can't say who did it, she's dead.

This victim's talking, however, and we should believe what she's saying.

He's a supreme court nom., there's no guarantee he would go out his way to roll back Roe v. Wade, etc. She stands to gain next to nothing by preventing a creep from getting into the supreme court.



qft

it's sick that we don't believe women when they are victims of crime. That's got to stop.

I'm not saying it HAD to have happened, there's always a chance she is lying but if you ask me SLIM TO NONE, and I do sincerely believe her.

no one ever wants to admit to being the victim of sexual abuse. The experience is degrading, humiliating, and depressing enough to go through without outing yourself to the entire world that this happened to you. I don't blame victims for trying to suppress what happened to them. It's a natural instinct so you can try to keep the same life you had/could have before/after the abuse. People don't want to make being a victim part of their identity. No one is proud they were sexually abused.

It's not just women who are victims of sexual assault, it's not just men who dont believe women, women are harsh sometimes with each other and this Incident is not actually rape and I was raped, I couldnt give a shit about it at all. Wasn't my fault. We are all different, it is possible to have bad shit happen and and put it in the past .


CH dont speak on the behalf if women as a collective or all men, individuals speak for themselves just fine .

 

[treezy z]

Thank you zephy, pretty much every response to me in this thread is people asking questions that have already been addressed (even quoting me, then asking a question that I answered within the quoted text such as post #28 invegaseur)

 

[zephyr]

*shrug*

I dunno if this is actually a stunt to delay and discredit obviously but if the problem is his stance on abortion, then it's a hell of a way to get rid of him.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

*shrug*

I dunno if this is actually a stunt to delay and discredit obviously but if the problem is his stance on abortion, then it's a hell of a way to get rid of him.

What I hate about Kavanaugh is his belief in expanding the power of the executive branch. To me, that screams "I will vote in support of a dictatorship". He has expressed such opinions on a few occasions, a few too many imo. There's no place in the American judiciary system for people who don't believe in checks and balances. The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves at the very thought of such a man being appointed to the supreme court.

Also Zeph, you said you're a victim of rape. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm surprised that you're not more upset/distraught over it tbh. Most people who are victims of such abuse do not share your positive outlook on the experience. The girl I'm friends with who is a victim of rape pretty much feels it has ruined her life in a number of ways. The guy who raped her was the brother of the man she loved, then her mom started dating their father... a real shit show. Needless to say, she still experiences a great deal of trauma, even seven years after the incident.

My point being, most victims of rape and assault have PTSD, trouble dealing with the event, etc. You're definitely the exception if your having been raped doesn't bother you.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

This is a life appointment to the highest court of the land. Is it too much to ask to pause the confirmation for a few weeks and check if these allegations are credible or not?

(Answer: Yes, it is. Because if the confirmation is delayed, then he may not be in court for the next session, and thus SCOTUS is more likely to 4-4 tie in cases instead of creating new conservative caselaw. This ain't about rape, this ain't about Kavanaugh's morals, it's that he's likely to be a key vote for the next session as long as he can be confirmed soon.)

 

[zephyr]

Also Zeph, you said you're a victim of rape. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm surprised that you're not more upset/distraught over it tbh. Most people who are victims of such abuse do not share your positive outlook on the experience.

It's a situation that happened due to rampant drug use, we were both fucked up, I was passed out, we made up years later, he apologised and regretted it. We are good.

 

[JGrimez]

Is it OK to fabricate accusations because you disagree with someone's assumed future political decisions? (aka by any means necessary)

Should women like this (if she's making it up) be sent to jail for making false rape accusations?

 

[JGrimez]

Also fuck the title of this thread. It should be "Kavanaugh is accused of rape"

MSNBC?s Mika Brzezinski flipped the script on Wednesday morning and ripped Democrats for using ?impossible tactics? against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

During a segment on MSNBC?s ?Morning Joe,? Brzezinski slammed Senate Democrats for continuing to move the goal post ?in an impossible direction,? and said Republicans should ?demand a vote? on Kavanaugh?s confirmation.

?Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of this. So everyone said let her speak, let her testify. Give her a moment to have her voice. Let?s hear her story. I think she even said she would testify,? Brzezinski said.

Brzezinski, certainly no ally to the GOP or President Donald Trump, went on to say there?s nothing they can do other than hold a vote on Kavanaugh and let the record reflect where each senator stands.

?I guess some could argue, and some Republicans could argue, this is moving the goal post and it?s moving the goal post in an impossible direction. There are statutes of limitations for a reason. So we need to hear from her. That?s why everybody is open to hearing from a woman.?

?But if she doesn?t want to speak, if she doesn?t want to testify, you have to wonder what the Republicans are supposed to do except demand a vote. This is something that happened in high school. This is going to need her voice. There?s no other way around it. No one can do it for her.?

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Breaking: Debra Katz, Attorney for Kavanaugh Accuser Christine Blasey Ford, Was Fundraiser for Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...er-for-hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign/

 

[Xorkoth]

Is it OK to fabricate accusations because you disagree with someone's assumed future political decisions? (aka by any means necessary)

Should women like this (if she's making it up) be sent to jail for making false rape accusations?

I think women making false rape accusations is deplorable and should be met with stiff penalties including prison. It's a disgusting and terrible thing to do. If this woman has made a false rape accusation then the same applies.

 

[spacejunk]

I think men who accuse women (or men) of fabricating sexual abuse claims for poltical reasons should face harsh consquences also.

It's typical of the trump administration to attack a woman who made an allegation against one of their own, in this way.

The thing is, it is already a very serious offence to knowingly make false police reports (for political or other purpose).

but you'd think the GOP would be more inclined to allow the FBI investigation to play out unhindered, if they considered this anything less than a credible allegation.

It's disturbing, as ever - to see the way victims of sexual assault are treated.

It's not ok to brush off sexual assault allegations, especially for political reasons

 

[JGrimez]

The Republicans straight away said let's hear her out. What other response would you expect?
Then she refused to testify.

If all you've got on Brett Kavanaugh is an accusation from when he was 17-years-old, and his accuser is an anti-Trump activist who won't go under oath and 'can't remember' when, where, or how anything happened, then Kavanaugh is pretty damn clean.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Is it OK to fabricate accusations because you disagree with someone's assumed future political decisions? (aka by any means necessary)

No, it isn't okay. And if false accusations could be proven false, then yes, a mild amount of jail time may be acceptable.

But there's very little reason to think that this accusation is false (other than OMG SHE HATES TRUMP THEREFORE LIES!)

Sure, one can debate that teenagers do stupid things, hell I probably did something less heinous but similar at that age, and that as such, this should blow over because Kavanaugh is a 'new man' after so long (read: probably a worse man), but would you forgive a juvenile of other violent crimes? I wouldn't. Attempted rape is a violent crime. If Kavanaugh had smoked a doob or graffiti on a sign or something, that's just teenage stupidity... but attempted rape? I think it falls awfully in line with his view on authority and his desires for a dictatorship... Rape is a play for power over another human being.